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The simple fact is DD anti aircraft fire is OP

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Yep their AA output is huge!.

Hell 4 of 12 most played even have at least one plane kill a game!    

 

 

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1 hour ago, DevilD0g said:

The simple fact is DD  anti aircraft fire At tier 8  is Overpowered especially on WG greedy premium ships  and it overbalances the whole game.

When  you see whole plane groups 6-8 plane groups before they get close enough to do anything  get shot down in one pass by these destroyers you see the reason for the greed demonstated by  WG  OP  of the Premium Destroyers and the overbalancing of the game. Yes overbalancing and overpowered.

There is no sky cancer anymore, its gone back the other way. 

If  you have a destroyer that cant fire a torpedo / gun or a battleship/cruiser that cant fire their guns, this is what the carrier players are up against.  YOU NEED TO FIX THIS OVERPOWERED MECHANIC WARGAMING

This is WW2  and the Destroyers do not have phalanx guns for AA .

The AA in the game is a huge problem and the mechanic is overpowered and Destroyers having Cruiser capable AA  is cheating basically. 

People cant expect to not be hit by plane ordinance in one form or another instead of having planes all shot down before they reach their target when surface fleets can fire with oblivion

For example, the  tier 8 USS Kidd destroyer  has more AA firepower then the tier 7  USS Helena cruiser

A benson damage per second average is 22, and Oland is 26, but the Kidd  is 38 (nearly double the Benson).  (im sure they all rush out and buy a kidd now.)  and the helena has 36 dpm 

The AA damage per second for tier 8 cruisers jumps dramatically from tier 7 to tier 8.

Time to end the Tier 6 carriers in Tier 8 matchmaking games and yes it happens all the time, its just unfair and OP

Fix this first and finish subs later or it will never be fixed.

ROFL!!!!

This from a guy playing the most broken unbalanced class in the entire game. And you get your panties in a bunch because there is ONE ship that you cant strike with impunity!!!

While hiding in tha back corner the entire match....

Yes, WG, please fix this game breaking destroyer!!!! We had enough of the Kidd...:Smile_facepalm:

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these are just averages, but when  you compare Destroyer  AA with Cruiser AA you see there is a close resemblence that a friesland has the same level of AA as the USS Worchester cruiser

And the DD closely match Cruiser AA

Thats just bull manure.

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9 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

your list doesnt include the kidd

So sorry didn't realise you wanted to balance T8 DD AA by only using the Kidd.   fyi - Mine has an av of 4 kills a game.  

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HAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAHAHA. I haven’t had a good laugh in ages, you take one look at a ship that is working as intended and are like “ITS OP! IT MUST BE NERFED I NEED TO BE ABLE TO STRIKE EVERYTHING FROM A CORNER OF THE MAP!” here’s a ground breaking revelation for you. JUST DONT ATTACK THE DD WITH ONE OF THE HIGHEST AA DPS IN THE GAME. It’s like rocket science for some people wow.

 

 

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your better than average then, but the point Im making is that its not just one ship , its many ships that are AA overpowered.

 

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Your planes die you get more, the DD dies he get to watch from the bottom.  Maybe a ship with good AA you just spot and not attack then ask your team to help, just a thought. Its what DDs have to do often.

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11 minutes ago, DevilD0g said:

your better than average then, but the point Im making is that its not just one ship , its many ships that are AA overpowered.

 

Maybe you didnt get the memo, but WG actually broke anything recembeling AA a while back in their desperate 12th attempt to "balance CVs".

This is why no one is investing in AA skills or modules anymore.

For good sakes man! Atleast wait for the Swedish destroyers before throwing a Hissy-fit over good AA. Have some self respect atleast.

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1 hour ago, DevilD0g said:

The simple fact is DD  anti aircraft fire At tier 8  is Overpowered especially on WG greedy premium ships  and it overbalances the whole game.

When  you see whole plane groups 6-8 plane groups before they get close enough to do anything  get shot down in one pass by these destroyers you see the reason for the greed demonstated by  WG  OP  of the Premium Destroyers and the overbalancing of the game. Yes overbalancing and overpowered.

There is no sky cancer anymore, its gone back the other way. 

If  you have a destroyer that cant fire a torpedo / gun or a battleship/cruiser that cant fire their guns, this is what the carrier players are up against.  YOU NEED TO FIX THIS OVERPOWERED MECHANIC WARGAMING

This is WW2  and the Destroyers do not have phalanx guns for AA .

The AA in the game is a huge problem and the mechanic is overpowered and Destroyers having Cruiser capable AA  is cheating basically. 

People cant expect to not be hit by plane ordinance in one form or another instead of having planes all shot down before they reach their target when surface fleets can fire with oblivion

For example, the  tier 8 USS Kidd destroyer  has more AA firepower then the tier 7  USS Helena cruiser

A benson damage per second average is 22, and Oland is 26, but the Kidd  is 38 (nearly double the Benson).  (im sure they all rush out and buy a kidd now.)  and the helena has 36 dpm 

The AA damage per second for tier 8 cruisers jumps dramatically from tier 7 to tier 8.

Time to end the Tier 6 carriers in Tier 8 matchmaking games and yes it happens all the time, its just unfair and OP

Fix this first and finish subs later or it will never be fixed.

My lord, where to begin... Even Kidd isn't that scary if you just don't touch her flak. 38 DPS is quite frankly nothing. Planes have over 1k health each.

And, heck, her DPS isn't even 38!

Long range: 73.5 DPS

Mid range: 73.5 + 129.5 DPS

Short range:  73.5 + 129.5 + 87.5 DPS

Short range doesn't come into play half the time, so you're looking at more in the 200 range of DPS rather than 280ish. Now, how does that DPS actually measure up? I'm not wasting time on every plane health, so... we'll use Ranger, and only stock.

Rockets: 1,270 health per plane and 8 planes. That's 6 seconds per plane to drop at mid-range. That's easily enough time to get 2 hits in if you use the other 4 planes as a buffer. Def AA active? Then it's +50%, meaning 4 seconds per plane. Still fairly easy to get off 2 hits in 16 seconds. It'd take a full AA build, sector, and def AA all going at once to really hurt. However, if you take that fight, it's on you. Kidd pays for her AA and heal by having 1 rack. Just don't touch the flak and you're not so bad off.

Bombers: Same story, but more health. 1,720 health per plane and 8 planes. With even with def AA up and everything, you have so much health that 2 strikes isn't hard at all so long as you don't touch flak.

Torps: Don't use her torps on the DDs unless you have no choice. That said, you don't have the numbers here to engage Kidd. You have 6 planes stock, and the health is only 1,630. This compares poorly to the rockets, as you have a 2 plane buffer rather than a 4 plane buffer. I upgraded these first, as they just don't have enough going for them.

But that's the thing, isn't it? This is stock. The planes are stock. There's also no +150 health buff going, nor is there the -10% continuous DPS buff. There's also a +7.5% health buff one would likely want to slot into those flimsy rocket planes, too.

After all that, you no longer have nearly as much to worry about. You have faster, tankier planes.

Now, I'm gonna go to bed. I hope you learn how to play CV better rather than act like these numbers are scary. Baltimore? Sure. Cheshire? New best AA at T8. But DDs? HAH! If a DD downs planes rapid fire, you are running into flak.

Stop running into flak, especially with def AA up. Then you will stop losing planes all at once.

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Ship specifications are well published, in the wiki pages and elsewhere.

Do what Sailors have done for ages, learn your ship, learn the opposing ships and make the best of a situation with what you've got.

 

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11 minutes ago, 9TenSix2Eight said:

this kinda topic making Cv capt look's bad..

Agreed.  I play CVs some, and it's just part of the deal.  Losing your planes is something you learn how to mitigate, similar to learning not to show broadside to BBs when in a cruiser, and/or how to survive in a DD uptiered.

Practice.  Practice. 

Way too many threads from people wanting the easy way out, and for their ship type to get a free pass.  All of them, not just CVs.

BBs complain about HE from cruisers and DDs.  DDs complain about CVs.  Cruisers complain about BB AP.  Some CVs complain about AA.

 

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The only way to fix this is to replace the human CV Captains with BOT Captains.   

 

The BOTs have not yet learned how to post on the forum......

Problem solved...

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4 minutes ago, Toxic_Potato said:

The only way to fix this is to replace the human CV Captains with BOT Captains.   

 

The BOTs have not yet learned how to post on the forum......

Problem solved...

     The bots were forum and chat banned a long time ago for abusive language guideline violations. Especially :Halgan: and :Pohl:.They were egregious trolls anyway. :Smile_teethhappy:

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1.)DD AA is the weakest in the game out of all of the ship types

2.)DD AA **SHOULD** be made to be the absolute strongest in the game.  Highest risk ship type should be nigh untouchable to the Lowest risk ship type.

3.)CVs in the current iteration do not even belong in WoWs. Think about it.... in 90%+ of a match they risk NONE of their actual ship in a game WITHOUT respawns.

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4 minutes ago, So_lt_Goes said:

     The bots were forum and chat banned a long time ago for abusive language guideline violations. Especially :Halgan: and :Pohl:.They were egregious trolls anyway. :Smile_teethhappy:

That and translation was tedious.  They tried to troll and cuss in their own language, and thought no one could read it... :Smile-_tongue:

(EDIT: speaking of people, how the hell did the new incarnation of Zath not get on my ignore list yet?  Fixed that issue...)

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2 hours ago, DevilD0g said:

The simple fact is DD  anti aircraft fire At tier 8  is Overpowered especially on WG greedy premium ships  and it overbalances the whole game.

When  you see whole plane groups 6-8 plane groups before they get close enough to do anything  get shot down in one pass by these destroyers you see the reason for the greed demonstated by  WG  OP  of the Premium Destroyers and the overbalancing of the game. Yes overbalancing and overpowered.

There is no sky cancer anymore, its gone back the other way. 

If  you have a destroyer that cant fire a torpedo / gun or a battleship/cruiser that cant fire their guns, this is what the carrier players are up against.  YOU NEED TO FIX THIS OVERPOWERED MECHANIC WARGAMING

This is WW2  and the Destroyers do not have phalanx guns for AA .

The AA in the game is a huge problem and the mechanic is overpowered and Destroyers having Cruiser capable AA  is cheating basically. 

People cant expect to not be hit by plane ordinance in one form or another instead of having planes all shot down before they reach their target when surface fleets can fire with oblivion

For example, the  tier 8 USS Kidd destroyer  has more AA firepower then the tier 7  USS Helena cruiser

A benson damage per second average is 22, and Oland is 26, but the Kidd  is 38 (nearly double the Benson).  (im sure they all rush out and buy a kidd now.)  and the helena has 36 dpm 

The AA damage per second for tier 8 cruisers jumps dramatically from tier 7 to tier 8.

Time to end the Tier 6 carriers in Tier 8 matchmaking games and yes it happens all the time, its just unfair and OP

Fix this first and finish subs later or it will never be fixed.

None of my DDs got this memo.  

This is ridiculous and you're the only player that's made this claim.  The only way you're using planes to a Tier 8 DD is by flying straight into their flak and not making any attempt to dodge.  

You're trolling, right?

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1. Please do not complain that this game is not WW2-realistic. Please.

2. If you are playing a CV then avoid red ships that you know have strong AA.

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So OP just to be clear is it really the DDs giving you grief or the AA cruisers or BBs nearby bring the true culprits to your aircraft losses?

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