3,762 Pura__Vida Members 6,900 posts 21,408 battles Report post #1 Posted January 30, 2020 You know the drill, play a game, players play terribly.... This one player had a PRico, I said the same as 4 others, concerning his use of radar... wth are you doing.....he responded, am trying... he was trying, he just didn't understand his ship, he just didn't understand the game, He has 4 games in a Lenin as his next closest tier ship. and his other 800 games were tier 6 or lower. I reached out to him after game with multiple messages to offer help, as of yet no response. This poor guy is spending money and getting nothing but shyt for his efforts. Most of you know me, and I have earned the rep I have earned, but a few of you know I actually a good guy. It makes my heart hurt to see what the company does to it's customers. 14 2 1 15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,748 LadyAnesjka Members 1,674 posts 13,382 battles Report post #2 Posted January 30, 2020 An actual tutorial is long over due. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,988 [GOB] Col_Nasty Members 2,501 posts Report post #3 Posted January 30, 2020 When I first came here a year ago I begged for this. I am sure it is never going to happen. It was the good people here in the forums that put me on the right road so I could learn slowly and only advance as my skills let me. Of course THEY were interested in helping me get Gud and be a contributor to my team and NOT making money is any way possible as fast as possible no matter the consequences. WG could learn something from that. Alas, they won't. Col Out 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
8,466 [GWG] BrushWolf [GWG] Supertester 27,478 posts 14,823 battles Report post #4 Posted January 30, 2020 Yeah, they should at least have a warning on the ship in port that it since you do not have experience at this tier level that co-op should be chosen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,288 CriMiNaL__ Beta Testers 3,750 posts 14,473 battles Report post #5 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) weegee doesnt care if they have gotten the money out of them already, its on the individual to understand how to play the game, and understand their own limitiations, this is no different to seeing a person playing an atlanta with only 10 games total, getting chased by a nicolas and dying to the t5 dd. Edited January 30, 2020 by CriMiNaL__ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,678 [WORX] Navalpride33 Members 11,949 posts 19,486 battles Report post #6 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, LadyAnesjka said: An actual tutorial is long over due. Mon Aime, it already existed since Beta... Its Co-Op... Co-Op has been and will ever be, the safe place/default learning center to tryout ships or as the OP put it, "get to know" a new ship... Co-Op do not discriminate either... Everyone from the very beginner to the season vet, should take adv of the Co-op environment. Problem is... Pride... Now people have options... Co-op or training rooms. Yet they select Randoms. Go figure... "You can take the horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink." Edited January 30, 2020 by Navalpride33 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
802 [LOU1] ExploratorOne Members 4,228 posts 12,529 battles Report post #7 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) There are so many guides available just a quick Google away. While I have compassion for a lost new player, I know that they could easily find info if they spent a moment searching. There are tutorials when you start playing, and there is even an attempt to limit the challenges a new player faces when first starting out. I started a FTP account last year just to see what it was like to start as a new player, there are guides available but they can easily be circumvented. The big problem is that you cannot force a player anyone to learn if they do not want to. (Keep in mind that WOWS' attempt at making the PR only available to the most dedicated players and keep her out of the hands of the casual or uninformed was heavily flamed...) Edited January 30, 2020 by ExploratorOne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,070 [DDMAF] legozer Members 2,897 posts 16,429 battles Report post #8 Posted January 30, 2020 You should have to own a tech tree ship of the same tier or higher than your premium ship before you can play your premie in randoms. Gibbous is a pretty swell guy. I speak with him from time to time in port after seeing him in game. Although I suspect he's had a few bevvies tonight (I am not one to judge) he's certainly on to a solid point that merits some thought on WGs end. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,496 [HINON] tcbaker777 [HINON] Members 8,427 posts 12,338 battles Report post #9 Posted January 30, 2020 52 minutes ago, Waxing_Gibbous said: This poor guy is spending money and getting nothing but shyt for his efforts. spending money =/= special treatment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9,738 [CMFRT] KilljoyCutter [CMFRT] Members 16,969 posts Report post #10 Posted January 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, tcbaker777 said: spending money =/= special treatment I'm not reading the OP as asking for special treatment for anyone. It's more that the guy in the PR bought a very expensive product for which the manufacturer has very poor documentation available. 7 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,762 Pura__Vida Members 6,900 posts 21,408 battles Report post #11 Posted January 30, 2020 12 minutes ago, CriMiNaL__ said: weegee doesnt care if they have gotten the money out of them already, its on the individual to understand how to play the game, and understand their own limitiations, this is no different to seeing a person playing an atlanta with only 10 games total, getting chased by a nicolas and dying to the t5 dd. I know, but the PR isn't $32 Granted money is relative...…… It was sad, the dude was so outclassed, and embarrassed. So many still feel that if they get a premium they will be good, or competitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,070 [DDMAF] legozer Members 2,897 posts 16,429 battles Report post #12 Posted January 30, 2020 3 minutes ago, Waxing_Gibbous said: I know, but the PR isn't $32 Granted money is relative...…… It was sad, the dude was so outclassed, and embarrassed. So many still feel that if they get a premium they will be good, or competitive. Yep. Soooooo many Tirpitz and Scharnhorst players are sooooooooooooooo baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad because of the fundamental misunderstanding that many new players have about premium ships. Just So Bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
90 RYANMK48 Members 131 posts 7,298 battles Report post #13 Posted January 30, 2020 13 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said: Mon Aime, it already existed since Beta... Its Co-Op... Co-Op has been and will ever be, the safe place/default learning center to tryout ships or as the OP put it, "get to know" a new ship... Co-Op do not discriminate either... Everyone from the very beginner to the season vet, should take adv of the Co-op environment. Problem is... Pride... Now people have options... Co-op or training rooms. Yet they select Randoms. Go figure... "You can take the horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink." I’m not sure I totally agree with this. For me, and I am speaking only of myself, Co-op taught me some of the wrong lessons. The bots just charge and there isn’t that much time to learn. There are some good guides here and on youtube but its scattered all over the place. I’m relatively new and it was probably better a few years ago when the game was starting out, but now not so much. I do appreciate Gibbous reaching out to the player. Once or twice people have done that for me and it made the game much more enjoyable. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,070 [DDMAF] legozer Members 2,897 posts 16,429 battles Report post #14 Posted January 30, 2020 Just now, RYANMK48 said: I’m not sure I totally agree with this. For me, and I am speaking only of myself, Co-op taught me some of the wrong lessons. The bots just charge and there isn’t that much time to learn. There are some good guides here and on youtube but its scattered all over the place. I’m relatively new and it was probably better a few years ago when the game was starting out, but now not so much. I do appreciate Gibbous reaching out to the player. Once or twice people have done that for me and it made the game much more enjoyable. Being part of the right clan is so valuable to so many new players. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,171 Tachnechdorus Beta Testers 3,281 posts 26,944 battles Report post #15 Posted January 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Waxing_Gibbous said: You know the drill, play a game, players play terribly.... This one player had a PRico, I said the same as 4 others, concerning his use of radar... wth are you doing.....he responded, am trying... he was trying, he just didn't understand his ship, he just didn't understand the game, He has 4 games in a Lenin as his next closest tier ship. and his other 800 games were tier 6 or lower. I reached out to him after game with multiple messages to offer help, as of yet no response. This poor guy is spending money and getting nothing but shyt for his efforts. Most of you know me, and I have earned the rep I have earned, but a few of you know I actually a good guy. It makes my heart hurt to see what the company does to it's customers. As long as the money flows in no one will care or listen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,552 [O7] ITZ_ACE_BABY Members 1,494 posts 11,342 battles Report post #16 Posted January 30, 2020 the forums are a fine example that the majority of the playerbase think they are good players and yet have no idea they still dont understand 90% of the game. But as soon as you try to tell someone they are not as good as they think they are you get labelled a try hard or toxic, the straight stubbornness of this playerbase to accept criticism and actually make an attempt to improve is really a major problem for the longevity of the game, the state of random battles shows this by the amount of steam rolls and really dumb plays you see. 2 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,070 [DDMAF] legozer Members 2,897 posts 16,429 battles Report post #17 Posted January 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_BABY said: the forums are a fine example that the majority of the playerbase think they are good players and yet have no idea they still dont understand 90% of the game. But as soon as you try to tell someone they are not as good as they think they are you get labelled a try hard or toxic, the straight stubbornness of this playerbase to accept criticism and actually make an attempt to improve is really a major problem for the longevity of the game, the state of random battles shows this by the amount of steam rolls and really dumb plays you see. HAHA...I didnt initially look at who posted this and then halfway through reading it thought "this HAS to be someone from o7, right?". God you guys are predictable. Please play poker with me. 2 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,678 [WORX] Navalpride33 Members 11,949 posts 19,486 battles Report post #18 Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, RYANMK48 said: For me, and I am speaking only of myself, Co-op taught me some of the wrong lessons. Co-Op doesn't teach lessons... Those are with experience gained in a particular game mode. IMO what Co-op and training mode accomplishes, is a healthy place to Learn the basics not the lessons Test out what you researched on your own. The lessons learned is experienced gained by playing the game mode you're prepping for... For example... I am not going to test out a Ranked build for the first time in Ranked.. I would either use a training room first and then to Co-op... Co-op as a training mode can only do so much to get your Confidence up Or Your prep up to Ranked standards... Its not going to happen... Do players take adv. of the resources in game to prep your ship and skill ? Nope. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
144 [WOBB] Lordnaarghul Members 84 posts 2,204 battles Report post #19 Posted January 30, 2020 33 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said: Mon Aime, it already existed since Beta... Its Co-Op... Co-Op has been and will ever be, the safe place/default learning center to tryout ships or as the OP put it, "get to know" a new ship... Co-Op do not discriminate either... Everyone from the very beginner to the season vet, should take adv of the Co-op environment. Problem is... Pride... Now people have options... Co-op or training rooms. Yet they select Randoms. Go figure... "You can take the horse to the river, but you can't force it to drink." Co-op doesn't teach anything when the matches end in 3:40 with two or three enemies still alive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
570 [WOLFG] Captain_Rawhide Members 1,002 posts Report post #20 Posted January 30, 2020 I do not understand all this crying. Clearly 'Random' is exactly that. Random players with random skills. If you only want to play with other elites, go play Clan battles. You can control who you play with and whine at them when they make a mistake. Random players really don't care what you think of them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,762 Pura__Vida Members 6,900 posts 21,408 battles Report post #21 Posted January 30, 2020 True, but there are times when they do. 3 minutes ago, Captain_Rawhide said: I do not understand all this crying. Clearly 'Random' is exactly that. Random players with random skills. If you only want to play with other elites, go play Clan battles. You can control who you play with and whine at them when they make a mistake. Random players really don't care what you think of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1,720 Old_Baldy_One Members 2,439 posts 14,392 battles Report post #22 Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, legozer said: HAHA...I didnt initially look at who posted this and then halfway through reading it thought "this HAS to be someone from o7, right?". God you guys are predictable. Please play poker with me. So when the OP says this, he is just trying to help and is a swell guy - but when someone else says essentially the exact same thing, they are suddenly a bad guy for some reason. Not sure I understand the logic there. For the topic at hand, WG isn't going to do anything about people spending money without much knowledge about what they are buying (be honest - you wouldn't either if you were running the game and directly benefiting from the proceeds). If the guy spent that much on a game that he didn't know much about, and didn't even bother to google anything about that ship first (it isn't like a quick "WoWs Puerto Rico" search wouldn't have brought up red flags) then its on him. Having a little experience with the OP, I question the "tone" the feedback was provided in, but that does seem like a perfect storm - wallet warrior with low games, buys the most polarizing ship so far in the game without knowing the basics of US cruiser gameplay. Edited January 30, 2020 by Old_Baldy_One 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
3,762 Pura__Vida Members 6,900 posts 21,408 battles Report post #23 Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Old_Baldy_One said: So when the OP says this, he is just trying to help and is a swell guy let it go man.... 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
2,070 [DDMAF] legozer Members 2,897 posts 16,429 battles Report post #24 Posted January 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, Old_Baldy_One said: when the OP says this, he is just trying to help and is a swell guy - but when someone else says essentially the exact same thing, they are suddenly a bad guy for some reason. Not sure I understand the logic there. Yeah. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
6,678 [WORX] Navalpride33 Members 11,949 posts 19,486 battles Report post #25 Posted January 30, 2020 9 minutes ago, Lordnaarghul said: Co-op doesn't teach anything when the matches end in 3:40 with two or three enemies still alive. Learning is relative NOT fixed.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
