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Lots of complaints about bad random teams in scenarios lately, thought I' change that up.

Just finished the OP in an Anshan and I did 112,000 damage, killed 5 ships and was 5th on the team ranking.

We didn't lose a single ship. Even the Shchors was still afloat and at about 75% health. (OK, the Mahan and Baltimore did sink). I know clan/divisions can probably do better, but this seems pretty rare for a random team!

 

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Last night, near midnight, I had a VERY good team in Aegis.  And I knew that they were good because we wiped out the first group of enemy ships so fast that it shocked me.  The team ended up not losing a single ship, and winning with 5 stars.  As the final wave of enemy ships appeared, I suggested all the BBs should focus on the enemy Fuso, since that's the hardest of the 3 BBs (for one of the "star" missions) to kill, given its location.   I was amazed at how quickly that Fuso was sunk.  One moment I'm suggesting he get targeted, the next time I look at the map, it's gone.  That had to be the easiest Aegis win I've ever witnessed, and I've had plenty of 5 star wins on that op.  That was a VERY good team.  :cap_like:

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To paraphrase Jeff Foxworthy - You might just have a decent team on Aegis when:

1.  ….you actually have a BB

2.  ….you have less than 2 DD's (most don't know how to play DD's in this scenario)

3.  ….if you have a CV, they do not spot in the middle at the start

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23 minutes ago, jmanII said:

3.  ….if you have a CV, they do not spot in the middle at the start

^ This is very true. I learned it the hard way, lol. :Smile_hiding:

Otherwise, the allied bot DD "Smith" will pop his smoke too early, and end up having itself,  and maybe even the Schors, shot up to bits from the beginning.

Ark Royal's Swordfishes are kinda good for that purpose, since they're so bloody slow... lol.

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Been playing Aegis as a CV since it started waaaaay back.

I don't spot anything.  I attack everything.  If it's red, it's dead.

Attack Middle first, then the couple runs in the Northeast.

Then attack the easy botes escorting the convoy...   Easy because they don't have AA.

Ground the CV next to the exit and start attacking up north.

If there are enough survivors at this point, I'll go for the BBs.  On a good team, we only lost 0-2 ships.  Bad team, there are only 2-3 left.

If not enough survivors, I'll hit the cruisers coming down to keep them occupied till the convoy exits.

Haven't got less than 4 stars recently.  Last battle, one player told me I was terrible and shouldn't be playing a CV...   I came in second place...  in a CV with only 2 players left.  Bottom player got 5 kills ..yup..

Nothing like Random Salt in the Scenarios.

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You can tell you got a good team when...

You see Sovereigndawg on the roster. Well, most of the times.

Aegis has been very good to me the last few days.

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Random teams can be quite good in Aegis. Two or three good people can carry in Aegis, with a minimum of help from the rest of the team. Then all of this good gets ruined by Newport.

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4 hours ago, jmanII said:

3.  ….if you have a CV, they do not spot in the middle at the start

I'll have to start announcing this at the start of every game with a CV. I'm sure there are those that think they are doing the team a favor by spotting early. It is normally what everyone wants the CV to do. Aegis being one of the rare times it is bad. Never know if your CV knows "da rules".

There are lots of helpful videos on this scenario for DDs, CAs and BBs. Any specific to CVs?

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11 hours ago, Sabot_100 said:

I'll have to start announcing this at the start of every game with a CV. I'm sure there are those that think they are doing the team a favor by spotting early. It is normally what everyone wants the CV to do. Aegis being one of the rare times it is bad. Never know if your CV knows "da rules".

There are lots of helpful videos on this scenario for DDs, CAs and BBs. Any specific to CVs?

I have one or two for Aegis on CV replays Vader has sent me.

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11 minutes ago, Lightninger said:

I have one or two for Aegis on CV replays Vader has sent me.

Now to get the CV drivers to watch 'em.

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13 hours ago, Sovereigndawg said:

You see Sovereigndawg on the roster. Well, most of the times.

You going solo or have a Band of Brothers to help? 

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24 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

You going solo or have a Band of Brothers to help? 

That was all random teams.

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On 1/20/2020 at 1:42 PM, Sovereigndawg said:

That was all random teams.

@Sovereigndawg I noticed you have been driving the W Virginia 1941 quite a bit.  I seem to have a problem in Aegis driving her as there are way too many overpens resulting in less overall damage done in the game.  Do you switch to HE for the CLs?

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1 hour ago, Joe_918145 said:

@Sovereigndawg I noticed you have been driving the W Virginia 1941 quite a bit.  I seem to have a problem in Aegis driving her as there are way too many overpens resulting in less overall damage done in the game.  Do you switch to HE for the CLs?

No just shoot AP pretty much but I kind of shoot at BBs whenever possible. You definitely have to have help with the northern or second wave though. I like to stay west and go for the 2 BBs up north if possible.

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I really dig playing DD in Aegis.  Anshan is great, but I have been cycling through Fushun, Gaede, T-61, Aigle, even Icarus and Gnevny sometimes.  Snuggle behind Mahan in his smoke and blast away at the first wave, bail to the NW when the torps come, smoke up out of line-of-sight and shoot/torp the second wave, speed north while taking shots of opportunity at the west flank escorts, then torp the Kongo and Ishizuchi when they appear.  Regular 5-star finishes, as long as someone remembers to rescue the Shchors commander.   ;-)

I find that you really need to have two+ battleships for Aegis, lest the one just get focused and absolutely wrecked by the HE spam from those first two waves.

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13 hours ago, Mono_De_Mantequilla said:

I really dig playing DD in Aegis.  Anshan is great, but I have been cycling through Fushun, Gaede, T-61, Aigle, even Icarus and Gnevny sometimes.  Snuggle behind Mahan in his smoke and blast away at the first wave, bail to the NW when the torps come, smoke up out of line-of-sight and shoot/torp the second wave, speed north while taking shots of opportunity at the west flank escorts, then torp the Kongo and Ishizuchi when they appear.  Regular 5-star finishes, as long as someone remembers to rescue the Shchors commander.   ;-)

I find that you really need to have two+ battleships for Aegis, lest the one just get focused and absolutely wrecked by the HE spam from those first two waves.

Did you learn to play DD in Aegis on your own? And actually you don't need a battleship at all even if you know what you are doing and it is a full set of seven players. 

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I have days when I decide to be brave and venture back into scenarios.

Those are the days when most of the team is dead inside five minutes.

Then I go away for another month or two, sickened by what I've seen and figuring I can get as many XP in the same time in co-op.

Hoperations doesn't really get going until after I have to go to bed, and I no longer trust random strangers even in the division chat.

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12 hours ago, Lightninger said:

And actually you don't need a battleship at all even if you know what you are doing and it is a full set of seven players. 

BBs are nice to soak up hits. Usually a mix of BBs and CA/CLs is good. Add in a DD (or 2) IF the DD drivers are good. Not sure if CVs are better than any ship they bump off the team.

Think you could do it with a team of a single class? BBs could do it but might struggle ( vulnerable to torps, not great a killing DDs, can't hide). I can see doing it with all cruisers (several types including those with smoke). It would take a really DD players (like you) to do it with all DDs (have you?)?  Not sure if the scenario will let you but might be fun. Definitely wouldn't let you bring all CVs.

In any case, having really good players would be the key if you are going single type.

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4 hours ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

I have days when I decide to be brave and venture back into scenarios.

Those are the days when most of the team is dead inside five minutes.

Then I go away for another month or two, sickened by what I've seen and figuring I can get as many XP in the same time in co-op.

Hoperations doesn't really get going until after I have to go to bed, and I no longer trust random strangers even in the division chat.

Usually I find bringing 1 or 2 reliable peop you know along significantly increases your chances of a win and 5 star, though with currently being Newport you may need more than that.

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1 hour ago, Sabot_100 said:

BBs are nice to soak up hits. Usually a mix of BBs and CA/CLs is good. Add in a DD (or 2) IF the DD drivers are good. Not sure if CVs are better than any ship they bump off the team.

Think you could do it with a team of a single class? BBs could do it but might struggle ( vulnerable to torps, not great a killing DDs, can't hide). I can see doing it with all cruisers (several types including those with smoke). It would take a really DD players (like you) to do it with all DDs (have you?)?  Not sure if the scenario will let you but might be fun. Definitely wouldn't let you bring all CVs.

In any case, having really good players would be the key if you are going single type.

Since he was talking in context of Aegis, I will keep that as background assumption. Also keep in mind when making a full premade division, you can only have a max of 3 destroyers or battleships in the division at one time. And Hoperations has done Aegis with 3 destroyers and no battleships in a full division. I am pretty sure I wasn't there either as I remember it being mentioned by others. 

We are also playing around with division comps of 4 ships only for fun. Vader and I are playing around something anyone would probably think is insane. I will put up videos if we actually do it. 

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1 hour ago, Lightninger said:

currently being Newport

All the encouragement I need to stay in co-op for my British tokens. :fish_haloween:

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1 hour ago, Lightninger said:

Also keep in mind when making a full premade division, you can only have a max of 3 destroyers or battleships in the division at one time. 

Didn't know the full divisions would have limits. A full DD division with coordinated smoke and hydro, the poor bots would probably never see a target after the Mahan until the Baltimore shows up.:cap_like:

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With all the cruisers and destroyers hiding in the Mahan's smoke, the battleship remains visible due to severe smoke firing penalty.  If there is only one BB he tends to get focused by everything then.  If the lone BB is still in the open water when the NW ships show up it is again focused with more significant HE spam, and often burns to death.  A second (or third) BB can really take the pressure off.  I would feel bad for the cruisers should there be no BB to tank for the team.

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2 hours ago, Mono_De_Mantequilla said:

With all the cruisers and destroyers hiding in the Mahan's smoke, the battleship remains visible due to severe smoke firing penalty.  If there is only one BB he tends to get focused by everything then.  If the lone BB is still in the open water when the NW ships show up it is again focused with more significant HE spam, and often burns to death.  A second (or third) BB can really take the pressure off.  I would feel bad for the cruisers should there be no BB to tank for the team.

One problem is when the BB (or smoke firing challenged cruiser) TRIES to hide in the smoke or directly behind it. This leads to the inevitable wall of torps raking thru the smoke, often decimating the ships parked there.

 

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9 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

One problem is when the BB (or smoke firing challenged cruiser) TRIES to hide in the smoke or directly behind it. This leads to the inevitable wall of torps raking thru the smoke, often decimating the ships parked there.

Oh yeah, you gotta be on your toes.  When I am running this op in a DD I am parked with my bow pointed NW, ready to bail when I see them coming.  When I run Aegis in a BB (which I am less and less fond of doing) I feel I have to head towards the southern end of the island and go around, to avoid the torp wall and also as much of the HE spam from the second wave as possible.

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