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just wondering if there are any Russian carriers that could be inserted into the game they were working on 1930-1948?

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The "VODKA DREAMS", the "TOTAL FANTASY", and the "MAN I WISH WE HAD A REAL NAVY". 

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Please no. The bias is going to be like the Moskva where it has everything and almost no drawbacks.

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They can make up any for all I care.  The fact we got a bunch of never constructed ships (Georgia, Montana, GK, Thunderer, FDG, Izumo, etc), or ships that never entered service in the game (Graf Zeppelin), I'm all for some made up RU Carriers.

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1 minute ago, Umikami said:

The "VODKA DREAMS", the "TOTAL FANTASY", and the "MAN I WISH WE HAD A REAL NAVY". 

Those would all be on the list. 

An RU CV line would be even more fictional than the RU BB line.

 

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5 minutes ago, KilljoyCutter said:

Those would all be on the list. 

An RU CV line would be even more fictional than the RU BB line.

 

RU CVs are no less fictional than a bunch of ships that are currently in the game that never served.

Montana

Georgia

Thunderer

GK

FDG

Monarch

Lion

Etc, etc, etc.

 

A bunch of these ship existing, even non-RU ship lines, are propped up by a lot of fake sh*t.  So before people rant about fake RU ships, they better take a look at their own port, and their own ships and see how many of them are freaking fake.

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1 minute ago, KilljoyCutter said:

An RU CV line would be even more fictional than the RU BB line.

Hey, it had one ship that actually sailed as it was portrayed in game! One out of eight ain't bad, is it?

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Just now, HazeGrayUnderway said:

RU CVs are no less fictional than a bunch of ships that are currently in the game that never served.

Montana

Georgia

Thunderer

GK

FDG

Monarch

Lion

Etc, etc, etc.

Yes, but the non-premium ships you've mentioned all belong to lines that have ships which actually sailed. Which Russian CVs did that?

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Well, we have the Kremlin, so let's do something more credible and give the Russians a Star Destroyer with Tie fighters, for a CV.

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6 minutes ago, Waxing_Gibbous said:

Below is the projected ship and aircraft for tier 6.

See the source image

With the one drawback being that it has to be pushed around the map by a fleet of tugboats.

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20 minutes ago, Chain_shot said:

just wondering if there are any Russian carriers that could be inserted into the game they were working on 1930-1948?

half a dozen

The Soviets had a number of design studies and blueprints, but they were unable to progress them for several reasons

a) Stalin had an entire younger generation of ship designers murdered or sent to Siberia, creating great disruption in naval spheres*

b) Russia did not have the technical ability to build and operate carriers at that time (lack of suitable aircraft, lack of available dockyards, lack of resources with more urgent competing projets taking priority, lack of engineers and workers with the skillsets required)

c) The naval doctrine did not require aircraft carriers, during the 1930s Russia was planning for a defensive war where the navy would operate in friendly, coastal waters (hence the emphasis on Submarines). 


one reason I am surprised WOWS lesta insists on glorifying Stalin, given he was so busy murdering his own naval engineers.


see @Kingpin61's reading list, he has prepared some excellent stuff on this topic.

https://forum.worldofwarships.com/topic/189945-kingpins-reading-list-online-naval-books-that-are-great-resources/

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Just now, Ace_04 said:

With the one drawback being that it has to be pushed around the map by a fleet of tugboats.

Not to mention the huge fire chance -- and the fact that it as a repair party with a chance to cause fire or flooding. 

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11 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Yes, but the non-premium ships you've mentioned all belong to lines that have ships which actually sailed. Which Russian CVs did that?

There's still a bunch of fake a** ships out there.  The fact the Germans Cruiser and Battleship Lines had to get propped up with a lot of fake sh*t is already evidence enough.  A bunch of third rate navies get propped up with fake a** crapout there to get to Tier X.

Bismarck-class was as advanced as Germany got, but they get fake ships and FAKE REFITS to prop them up.

Admiral Hipper-class was as advanced as Germany got in Heavy Cruisers, but hey we got fake ships to prop them up.

The Italian's most advanced Cruiser was the Zara-class, but hey, they're propped up with a bunch of fake sh*t also.

Georgia is fake a.f.

Montana was never completed.

Ohio is fake a.f.

FDG is fake a.f.

GK is fake a.f.

Monarch is fake a.f.

Lion is fake .a.f.

Conqueror is fake a.f.

Thunderer is fake a.f.

Amalfi is fake a.f.

Brindisi is fake a.f.

Venezia is fake a.f.

Zao is fake a.f.

Ibuki is fake a.f.

Izumo is fake a.f.

Normandie was never made, and her ridiculous speed ingame is sure as hell not what was intended even in the design of the ship, so fake a.f.

The upcoming Yashima / Super Yamato is fake a.f. also.

We even got an upcoming Fake Japanese BB Bajie (copy of the fake Izumo) going to the Pan Asia Line.

Etc.

 

But then when it comes to a RU ship, WHOAH NOW!

 

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2 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

There's still a bunch of fake a** ships out there.  The fact the Germans Cruiser and Battleship Lines had to get propped up with a lot of fake sh*t is already evidence enough.  A bunch of third rate navies get propped up with fake a** crapout there to get to Tier X.

Bismarck-class was as advanced as Germany got, but they get fake ships and FAKE REFITS to prop them up.

Admiral Hipper-class was as advanced as Germany got in Heavy Cruisers, but hey we got fake ships to prop them up.

The Italian's most advanced Cruiser was the Zara-class, but hey, they're propped up with a bunch of fake sh*t also.

Georgia is fake a.f.

Montana was never completed.

Ohio is fake a.f.

FDG is fake a.f.

GK is fake a.f.

Monarch is fake a.f.

Lion is fake .a.f.

Conqueror is fake a.f.

Thunderer is fake a.f.

Amalfi is fake a.f.

Brindisi is fake a.f.

Venezia is fake a.f.

Zao is fake a.f.

Ibuki is fake a.f.

Izumo is fake a.f.

Normandie was never made, and her ridiculous speed ingame is sure as hell not what was intended even in the design of the ship, so fake a.f.

The upcoming Yashima / Super Yamato is fake a.f. also.

Etc.

 

But then when it comes to a RU ship, WHOAH NOW!

 

Except all of the nations you listed all had the industrial capability and experience to potentially build all of those 'fake' ships.

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Just now, HazeGrayUnderway said:

There's still a bunch of fake a** ships out there.  The fact the Germans Cruiser and Battleship Lines had to get propped up with a lot of fake sh*t is already evidence enough.  A bunch of third rate navies get propped up with fake a** crapout there to get to Tier X.

You're right, there ARE a lot of lines propped up with paper ships. But they all have one thing in common ….. SOME of those ships were real and NOT paper.

Where was that list of Russian CVs that actually sailed they were going to use to anchor the line on? Which Russian CVs actually sailed?

3 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Bismarck-class was as advanced as Germany got, but they get fake ships and FAKE REFITS to prop them up. Based on a line with real ships.

Admiral Hipper-class was as advanced as Germany got in Heavy Cruisers, but hey we got fake ships to prop them up. Based on a line with real ships.

The Italian's most advanced Cruiser was the Zara-class, but hey, they're propped up with a bunch of fake sh*t also. Based on a line with real ships.

Georgia is fake a.f. Premium ship

Montana was never completed. Based on a line with real ships.

FDG is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

GK is fake a.f. Premium ship

Monarch is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Lion is fake .a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Conqueror is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Thunderer is fake a.f. Premium ship

Amalfi is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Brindisi is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Venezia is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Zao is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Ibuki is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Izumo is fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Normandie was never made, and her ridiculous speed ingame is sure as hell not what was intended even in the design of the ship, so fake a.f. Based on a line with real ships.

Which Russian CV ever sailed?

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3 minutes ago, Mad_Moff said:

Except all of the nations you listed all had the industrial capability and experience to potentially build all of those 'fake' ships.

"Potential" is irrelevant.  They didn't have the capability to put them out really for a lot of these, even Germany and Japan.

What did they put to sea is what matters.

1 minute ago, Umikami said:

You're right, there ARE a lot of lines propped up with paper ships. But they all have one thing in common ….. SOME of those ships were real and NOT paper.

Where was that list of Russian CVs that actually sailed they were going to use to anchor the line on? Which Russian CVs actually sailed?

Which Russian CV ever sailed?

Still fake ships and fake refits out there.

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1 minute ago, Mad_Moff said:

Except all of the nations you listed all had the industrial capability and experience to potentially build all of those 'fake' ships.

Ask me if I care (I don't).

I don't need a ship to have been built or have possibly been built, to have fun in a video game.

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The USSR CVs will have:

* Highest accuracy

* Highest DPM possible

* Quickest Aiming Reticule

* Enough armor to be immune to HE damage unless you use IFHE on 203mm guns, you know, to keep it balanced.

* Best speed, rudder shift, and concealment of any CV at Tier.

* Best armor of any CV.

* Best functional AA

 

Downsides:

* Worst secondaries for a CV, in theory.

* Highly vulnerable to getting citadeled at point blank range if giving a flat broadside.

* Can be citadeled by AP bombs from CVs.

* 2nd best fighters  by a marginal, barely noticable amount.

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4 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

There's still a bunch of fake a** ships out there.  The fact the Germans Cruiser and Battleship Lines had to get propped up with a lot of fake sh*t is already evidence enough.  A bunch of third rate navies get propped up with fake a** crapout there to get to Tier X.

Bismarck-class was as advanced as Germany got, but they get fake ships and FAKE REFITS to prop them up.

Admiral Hipper-class was as advanced as Germany got in Heavy Cruisers, but hey we got fake ships to prop them up.

The Italian's most advanced Cruiser was the Zara-class, but hey, they're propped up with a bunch of fake sh*t also.

Georgia is fake a.f.

Montana was never completed.

Ohio is fake a.f.

FDG is fake a.f.

GK is fake a.f.

Monarch is fake a.f.

Lion is fake .a.f.

Conqueror is fake a.f.

Thunderer is fake a.f.

Amalfi is fake a.f.

Brindisi is fake a.f.

Venezia is fake a.f.

Zao is fake a.f.

Ibuki is fake a.f.

Izumo is fake a.f.

Normandie was never made, and her ridiculous speed ingame is sure as hell not what was intended even in the design of the ship, so fake a.f.

The upcoming Yashima / Super Yamato is fake a.f. also.

Etc.

 

But then when it comes to a RU ship, WHOAH NOW!

 

but the point I have made, is that Soviet Russia, did have a good number of design studies available. Nothing (except the planes) would need inventing to form a tech tree.

Given the material impossibility of Soviet Russia actually building a CV in this period of history, I have other doubts about their urgency for WOWS, but nevertheless, fakes would not be required.

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2 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Still fake ships and fake refits out there.

Yes, but not entire FAKE LINES!

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Considering the sheer amount of land mass that the Soviet Union occupied in Europe and Asia, what would they even need carriers for anyway in the 1930s?

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16 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

Russia did not have the technical ability to build and operate carriers at that time (lack of suitable aircraft, lack of available dockyards, lack of resources with more urgent competing projets taking priority, lack of engineers and workers with the skillsets required)

Lack of workers who could read, lack of workers who could write, lack of workers who could do third grade math, lack of workers who were sober, lack of workers who were not in a Gulag ….. those poor Russians had all sorts of problems. 

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