If a Battleship from the Great White Fleet became a premuim would you buy it? as tier 2!

[Wake_Island]

 

 

[MaximilianvonSpee]

Possibly... although a predreadnought in a game populated by dreadnoughts is a magazine explosion waiting to happen. I admire predreadnoughts -- I think they have attractive lines (here, for example, is Dvenadtsat Apostolov, my favorite predreadnought of all) --

 

http://rusold12apost...tol_Draw_GI.gif

 

-- but I think she'd have an extremely hard time competing against modern warships. In all but the last generation of predreadnoughts, the optics were garbage, the guns weren't calibrated to hit out much beyond 10,000 yards, there was minimal torpedo protection, and (worst of all, IMO) reciprocating engines limited their speed to, on average, 17-18 knots at best.

 

For all that, one has to like the predreadnought if only because it brought a level of design stability to a naval construction. From roughly 1850-1880 or so, nearly every ship design built was a one-off or an experiment. Designers were running off in all different directions, concocting all kinds of strange and -- often -- badly-designed boats. Predreadnoughts, with their four 'standard' 12" guns, average weight of around 10,000-12,000 tons, and speed of 18 or so knots, really gave some focus back to naval architects, and allowed countries to resume building classes of like-designed ships, without fearing immediate obsolesence.

 

But I guess I think there are other ships I would buy first.

[JeeWeeJ]

No, i'd rather go with a British or German pre-dread. And that's only because i think they're more sexy. :Smile_smile:

[Sampsonite]

I would if that particular game was only predreadnoughts..

[Wunderwaffen1945]

I promissed to myself never to spend money on things like that

[brian333]

In the Spanish-American war the USN had about a 3% hit rate at ranges that in WW2 would have been suicidally close. The Spanish Navy fared far worse: in the Battle for the Philipines not a single US serviceman lost his life as a direct result of enemy gunfire. (One Coastie had a heart attack but the cutter he served on was not a part of the fighting.)

 

Even with these lessons learned, the USN couldn't devote much effort to infrastructure and training until the Great White Fleet drove home the importance of the Navy to the politicians of the day.

[Wake_Island]

one could be a tier 2 premuim.

[MaximilianvonSpee]

brian333, on 29 January 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

In the Spanish-American war the USN had about a 3% hit rate at ranges that in WW2 would have been suicidally close. The Spanish Navy fared far worse: in the Battle for the Philipines not a single US serviceman lost his life as a direct result of enemy gunfire. (One Coastie had a heart attack but the cutter he served on was not a part of the fighting.)

Even with these lessons learned, the USN couldn't devote much effort to infrastructure and training until the Great White Fleet drove home the importance of the Navy to the politicians of the day.

There was still a lot of bewilderment about tactics in 1898, though... and the U.S. Navy, at the time, was still very much a second-rate fighting unit. The ramming crowd wasn't decisively and finally silenced until Tsushima, where the ranges were about 7,000 yards (roughly 1/3rd of where they would be in WWI). As I said, the optics of the era were horrible, and the caliber of the weapons was very, very low, making them hugely inaccurate at even modest ranges.

The fact is, any predreadnought (with the possible exception of a few of the German designs modernized, and even then I still think they'd be worthless) in a naval battle with Yamatos and Enterprises cruising around is going to get blown clear out of the water. As Sampsonite said, if there was a game (or even a game mode in WoWS) that limited players to predreadnoughts (perhaps a Tsushima simulation), I would absolutely, one hundred percent buy one. Otherwise, I'd be hamstringing my team in any other scenario where I whipped the thing out.

[Capcon]

As you can tell from the little picture to the left I'd love to have a USS Ohio, the battleship not the latter ballistic missile armed S-word.

 

http://www.navy.mil/...io/ohio1915.jpg

 

After World of Warships

and World of Gunboats

 

We need Ta Ta Ta TA

 

World of Ironclads!

 

I'm absolutely serious by the way.

No really, I am!

I would be so torn trying to decide of a day which of the three games to play.

Egad!

[Paul_KT]

Another problem with the pre-dreadnaughts is the mixed caliber armament.  If you have 3+ calibers firing at the same time they will have 3+ ballistic profiles.

That makes spotting splashes and supplying corrections a nightmare, yet anther reason for the reduced ranges.

 

Once the Dreadnought comes in you only have to worry about a single set of gun characteristics making corrections easier.  Add in central director control and the range rapidly extends to what we see in WW1

[triptyx]

Dunno, one or two may be an interesting candidate for Tier II, but maybe not.

 

Only the Devs would know for sure. :)

[Sonoskay]

triptyx, on 29 January 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Dunno, one or two may be an interesting candidate for Tier II, but maybe not.

Only the Devs would know for sure. :)

this seems about right..

would i buy it...? no.. for one ive never been a fan of low teir prems i like mid tier best.  and i feel there are much more interesting ships they could implement, though they are a good looking ship,i dont think they would be enjoyable to play

[Blink309]

I would like to see something like this as a prem tier 2 or 3.

[mr3awsome]

If i was going to get a pre dread i would get HMS Lord Nelson

[MM2ss]

Maybe.  If it was say a tier 2, I might well get one.  Partially because I like how they look.  However, as a realist, I know they would be outclassed in anything but low tier engagements.  Make it a tier 2 and I might be interested, make it a tier 5 and no way I would consider it.  Unfortunately, "Maybe" is not an option for the poll.

[ShamelessAdvocate]

If it was for battles of low tier only and maybe even pre-dreadnoughts only... then REALLY YES

[Super_Dreadnought]

Using an outdated pre-dreadnought design to fight dreadnoughts is just asking for an excercise in frustration and a lesson on why they were obsoleted.

 

I for one don't plan on spending my real hard earned money to explode a lot and wreak my win rate. Exploding is not fun, and the rewards at tier 2 would not be worth the trouble.

[MM2ss]

I figure there will be a contest or some such eventually where I could win or earn the gold to buy a tier two premium.  Heck, the Army-Navy game prediction contest got me a Churchill and some garage slots.

[anonym_auUiRfWCi1jI]

It had better be a premium, wake!  I couldn't see piloting it any other way, considering the repair costs.   :Smile_glasses:

[Commanderjoebob]

Sorry im need some work on my naval history, is my weakest topic for WWII. So could someone tell me the significance of the "Great White Fleet"?

[triptyx]

There's a great writeup here:

http://bit.ly/X6uV8Y

[International_Barfighter]

I love this era, but I honestly have no desire to drive one.  Slow, no punch, not particularly sea-worthy, I'll pass, thanks.  But they sure are pretty!

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

I,m not sure if this ship will be worth this Even in tier 1 i dont see this working out I know how slow Pre-dreads are are....17-18 Knots! So slow!

Unless there was a tier 0 (Which is Very unlikely) this will not likely be ingame

[Krieg]

I'm sure you'll get one as an Xmas gift....

[anonym_s4TCbLNuhWyC]

Krieg, on 30 January 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:

I'm sure you'll get one as an Xmas gift....

:O i WANT ONE O.O