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Smolensk in ranked is getting ridiculous. You can't contest caps with a Smolensk nearby because he'll just bear down on you knowing he has the firepower advantage and will tear you apart in less than 15 seconds. I am a DD player in ranked and my role is to capture points, but how the hell am I supposed to do that with a Smolensk nearby? As soon as the Smol sees I am contesting a cap, he'll pull up, launch torps, pop hydro, and just let go the trigger. Boom. Dead. No help to the team whatsoever. 

What about BBs? Good luck even being able to hit her while the smoke active. You'd have a better chance of finding a needle in a haystack. That is of course if your dispersion isn't bad enough already where you can't hit anything. If you try and bow tank her, she'll just burn you like a bad sausage. If you try and citadel her, most likely it will either go perfectly or just harmlessly bounce off a broadside at a perfectly good range. 

On top of this, whenever I see a Smolensk in a random battle on the opposing team I know I'm not going to have a good round. It overpowers any other ship in the game, with fire chance that goes to the Moon, 10 8km torpedoes total, and the already mentioned fire-rate. 

The primary problem with Smolensks in Ranked is how often you see them. In the 10 games I've played tonight, I've seen 14 Smolensks. Four-teen.
It's not just a good premium ship, it's an idiot-proof ship. Granted, it does have it's flaws, and I understand how you Smolensk fans out there pride yourself in your skill ... but what's so hard about just aiming and holding down the mouse while you rack up hundreds of target hits? She has a heavily armored citadel that allows Smolensk captains to absorb or bounce damage from large guns while maintaining the small-profile needed to easily dodge shells in the first place. If a Smol is in smoke and moving around, it's almost impossible to get a consistent penetration and/or citadel. 

There's no counter to the Smolensk besides luck of the dice. If you shoot a 16" gun and it hits a Smol dead on, it will either citadel or overpen, usually overpen. And that's if you don't get deleted before you even get a chance to fire a full salvo. 11% fire chance with DE and flags means you will have to fight hard to even manage to properly face off against a Smolensk. 

Honestly WG, remove the torpedoes or just give her really short-range like basically every other Soviet Cruiser has. 
Yeet that 70mm armor plate and slice it in half lengthwise. Give her 30mm.
Kill the smokescreen & Hydro. Give her Def AA and a fighter/spotter to compensate for her short-range instead. 
And for the love of God and BB players everywhere, increase her reload to at LEAST 5 seconds. 


Remove this ship from the Arsenal and premium shop until you get your damn act together and fix her fatal flaws. Save BB and DD players everywhere. Kill the Smolensk. Burn it into the ground like it burns those around it. Torpedo it until the magazine detonates. Bury it into infamy. 

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Pushing Smols will get utterly wrecked by radar since everyone loathes them and they'll feel even the overpens when it's from 4-5 ships, while camping Smols compete with the rest of the sav-a-star crew in being largely irrelevant to actually winning the game.

And unlike Clan Battles, the adage of 'If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself' applies fully to Ranked, so if you want that sweet sweet revenge'dar on the ankle biters you gotta bring it yourself and make sure everyone at least says they're on the same page when you light him up.

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I used the Smolensk in Ranked this time out. All I wanted to do is to get to Rank 15 to get that Trento flag which is cool looking. It was pretty funny because once you get spotted, everyone shoots at you. The reds even ignore the DDs and shoot at you so am guessing PvP players don't really like Smolensk.... 

The upside is I am a pretty poor PvP player BUT am a pretty good co-op player and can avoid incoming fire really well. I had only two games out of 7 played where I did some good damage and scoring in the top three or four spots on the scoreboard. The rest of the time I spent more time avoiding being shot at than actually shooting but this allowed the better players on my team to wreck the reds. Everything worked out pretty well in that regards and I earned my flag so I am happy. I just wish I earned a credit for every point of potential damage I took. I would have made millions................ 

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8 hours ago, lloyd1701 said:

Pushing Smols will get utterly wrecked by radar since everyone loathes them and they'll feel even the overpens when it's from 4-5 ships, while camping Smols compete with the rest of the sav-a-star crew in being largely irrelevant to actually winning the game.

And unlike Clan Battles, the adage of 'If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself' applies fully to Ranked, so if you want that sweet sweet revenge'dar on the ankle biters you gotta bring it yourself and make sure everyone at least says they're on the same page when you light him up.

Pushing a Smol only works if they don't kill you first, which rarely happens. 

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4 hours ago, Mikebello said:

USA DD + mino radar team = all Smolensk sunk

Obviously this doesn't always happen in a random matchup. 

And I do play American DDs.

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10 hours ago, RainbowFartingUnicorn said:

I only have two Tier X ships right now... Smolensk and...  Minotaur. I start with Smolensk, and if I start seeing a lot of other Smolensks, I switch to Minotaur.

Mino is really close to Smolensk in my opinion. Same spam guns, smoke, etc.

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3 hours ago, Snipereagle23 said:

Mino is really close to Smolensk in my opinion. Same spam guns, smoke, etc.

I agree, but I find Minotaur to be pretty effective against Smolensk, so if I see a lot of Smolensks, I bring out Minotaur.

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12 hours ago, RainbowFartingUnicorn said:

I agree, but I find Minotaur to be pretty effective against Smolensk, so if I see a lot of Smolensks, I bring out Minotaur.

Mino is a good counter-ship to the Smol. That AP will tear through the armor. I've never liked facing Smols, Minos, or Woosters. I think they're too overpowered for the game. 

The current meta in WoWs is just spraying and praying until you eventually kill your opponent, which I do not like. I think that careful planning and long-range salvos show more skill than 16 guns that reload every 3 seconds. Even the Des Moines is a ridiculous ship. I think that on a general level reload times on cruisers need to be nerfed by a lot. Destroyers that have smaller guns and less damage are fine, but a Des with high caliber guns slinging AP at a broadside Battleship is just overpowered.

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Anyone thinking playing a Smolensk is easy give it a try, you are the most targeted ship on the map, even dds get a pass over the Smolensk.  I been playing it for couple weeks now I think and it is not what you think it is everyone has learned to fight it now.  That being said it is very fun ship to play and when you can get away with it you can melt other ships but that does not happen as often now days.  If I had to do over I would have picked a different ship to spend my coal on like the Thunder, but I have it and well I will play it.

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3 hours ago, CptSaltLife said:

Anyone thinking playing a Smolensk is easy give it a try, you are the most targeted ship on the map, even dds get a pass over the Smolensk.  I been playing it for couple weeks now I think and it is not what you think it is everyone has learned to fight it now.  That being said it is very fun ship to play and when you can get away with it you can melt other ships but that does not happen as often now days.  If I had to do over I would have picked a different ship to spend my coal on like the Thunder, but I have it and well I will play it.

I agree with this. Smolensk is strong, and OP in the hands of OP players, but that's the Indian and not the arrow. [edited] players in Smolensks are getting deleted rapidly in Ranked.

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18 hours ago, Snipereagle23 said:

The current meta in WoWs is just spraying and praying until you eventually kill your opponent, which I do not like.

Therein lies your problem. Ranked Battles—or any battle mode for that matter—is not about what you do not like.

It is about what works consistently.

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40 minutes ago, RainbowFartingUnicorn said:

I agree with this. Smolensk is strong, and OP in the hands of OP players, but that's the Indian and not the arrow. [edited] players in Smolensks are getting deleted rapidly in Ranked.

well, considering that 'your Average tier of warships used by player' is 5.6,  you are w/o doubt an authority on T10 ranked battles, and feel free insulting your colleagues...

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8 minutes ago, loco_max said:

well, considering that 'your Average tier of warships used by player' is 5.6,  you are w/o doubt an authority on T10 ranked battles, and feel free insulting your colleagues...

I'm not sure what you think is insulting about this. Certainly none was intended. I'm running primarily Smolensk in ranked myself, mainly because I only have two Tier X ships and am therefore lacking in options. When I play her stupidly, I get deleted fast. Because I'm a thoroughly average player, that happens with some frequency.

If I am not mistaken, this is the first ranked season where Smolensk is usable, since the ship was only released a few months ago and Season 13 was Tier IX anyway. So the amount of experience anyone can have on Tier X ranked battles with or against Smolensk right now is limited to whatever ranked games you've played this season, and my average tier used is just an attempt at stat-shaming on your part... only you're using a stat that's just not really relevant to the question at hand.

Plus, I can't really be stat-shamed, because I freely and happily admit to being a totally average player!

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22 minutes ago, RainbowFartingUnicorn said:

I'm not sure what you think is insulting about this. Certainly none was intended. I'm running primarily Smolensk in ranked myself, mainly because I only have two Tier X ships and am therefore lacking in options. When I play her stupidly, I get deleted fast. Because I'm a thoroughly average player, that happens with some frequency.

If I am not mistaken, this is the first ranked season where Smolensk is usable, since the ship was only released a few months ago and Season 13 was Tier IX anyway. So the amount of experience anyone can have on Tier X ranked battles with or against Smolensk right now is limited to whatever ranked games you've played this season, and my average tier used is just an attempt at stat-shaming on your part... only you're using a stat that's just not really relevant to the question at hand.

Plus, I can't really be stat-shamed, because I freely and happily admit to being a totally average player!

stupidly? Are you referring of your experience level on that ship? When you commit errors you get deleted, this is what you are saying? Well, unfortunately you may be deleted even if you are not committing errors, it happens...Stat-shamed, what is so shaming about your stats?

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13 minutes ago, loco_max said:

stupidly? Are you referring of your experience level on that ship? When you commit errors you get deleted, this is what you are saying? Well, unfortunately you may be deleted even if you are not committing errors, it happens...Stat-shamed, what is so shaming about your stats?

Yes, I agree. When you commit errors, you get deleted, and sometimes you will get deleted even if you play really well, that just happens. Sometimes the other player just plays better or gets luckier. I got one-shotted by a Yamato from 20 km in a ranked battle yesterday as I was in smoke and just before I made it into island cover. He was luckier or better, no big deal.

I'm not ashamed of my stats, I was referring to this post of yours:

50 minutes ago, loco_max said:

well, considering that 'your Average tier of warships used by player' is 5.6,  you are w/o doubt an authority on T10 ranked battles, and feel free insulting your colleagues...

... which looks like you're saying that I shouldn't insult other players because my average tier played is 5.6, and therefore I can't know anything about Tier X ranked. 

My point is that A) I wasn't intending to insult other players in the first place, and B) my average tier played is not relevant to the opinion I have of Smolensk not being as OP as many people think, since C) I do have as much experience playing with and against Smolensk in ranked as anyone can have, since Smolensk has only been in the current season and I have spent most of my time this season playing her, and usually facing at least one red Smolensk as well.

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11 minutes ago, RainbowFartingUnicorn said:

which looks like you're saying that I shouldn't insult other players because my average tier played is 5.6, and therefore I can't know anything about Tier X ranked.

'dumb' is insulting, or not? You can know a lot, but if you read the guys that understand this game, they do not use this words...

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1 minute ago, loco_max said:

'dumb' is insulting, or not? You can know a lot, but if you read the guys that understand this game, they do not use this words...

It wasn't meant to be personally insulting of anyone. I think all non-unicum players, certainly including myself, fall into the 'dumb player' category at least sometimes. I don't consider it insulting if someone tells me I am a dumb player if I in fact played stupidly. 

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On 11/30/2019 at 12:45 AM, lloyd1701 said:

camping Smols compete with the rest of the sav-a-star crew in being largely irrelevant to actually winning the game. 

This is the real issue, right here. Lots of guys use it to simply farm useless damage so they're at the top of the list regardless of whether or not it's going to actually win them the game. But that's hardly unique to Smolensk, or tier 10 ranked; every tier has its save-your-star selfish damage farmer ships that morons flock to.

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4 hours ago, ArmoredFrost said:

Therein lies your problem. Ranked Battles—or any battle mode for that matter—is not about what you do not like.

It is about what works consistently.

Smolensk does not work consistently. It's either a good battle or a bad one. 

And my complaint isn't just about Ranked battles. It's about the entire damn game. 

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As primarily a BB player in ranked, I have learned to be very careful when a Smolensk is near. They will certainly burn you down, and if you trip the 'repair party' too soon, you can wind up with 2+ new fires burning in no time. I have had some luck with watching where the shots are coming from in smoke and targeting them. I think, as time goes on, we will all learn and adapt ways of dealing with them. This thread says as much, as we are now very much aware that this ship needs to be respected as it can be a very formidable opponent in the right hands. They are squishy, but they are also maneuverable and hard to hit from range, much like the Minotaur. From what I've seen, I believe Smolensk is a better fire starter.

How or if she's OP is up for debate, but she certainly is worthy of respect when she's on the other side of the board! Cheers!

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On 12/4/2019 at 10:04 PM, RockstarScotty said:

I believe Smolensk is a better fire starter.

It has a 8% fire chance, which can be brought up to 10% with IFHE & fire signals. Of course it's a better fire starter, it's like dropping sixteen matches on an already burning pool of gas every 3 seconds. 

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On 11/30/2019 at 6:42 PM, Mikebello said:

USA DD + mino radar team = all Smolensk sunk

USA DD + mino radar team = all non-radar ship sunk.

or

Team work = all enemy ships sunk

 

So what? The problem is you need (a) A friendly USA DD, (b) a radar cruiser, (c) they both are in range, and (d) they work together. Comparing to that, you got better chance one-shot a Smolensk 20km away.

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