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1 minute ago, ck_Wingz said:

PT Gun Boats

no guns just torps.

One of these is not like the other.

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Uh, you do know that PT stands for Patrol, Torpedo right?

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7 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Bipolar???

Dementia ?

Are you OK OP ?

Just a suggestion. I see most dont want that. Not Bipolar or Dementia (yet)

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37 minutes ago, ck_Wingz said:

I think this would be a great addition, no guns just torps.

Thoughts?

PT boats (well, the German equivalent) were in the Dunkirk operation.

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32 minutes ago, Locote_USA_RET_11B said:

i'd go for frigates before more hard to hit torpedo launching small fast craft. For now we will get subs first to fill that job.

British frigates were true anti-submarine ships with limited gun power. The US Destroyer Escorts such as the Samuel B Roberts though could be brought in as low tier premiums but not as full trees. PT's have no place in the type of battles we fight in the game. But, but, but, you say what about Surigao Strait. In that battle they were there as scouts and were told to only launch their torpedoes from maximum range so they would not be spotted.

3 minutes ago, Snargfargle said:

PT boats (well, the German equivalent) were in the Dunkirk operation.

There were also pretty wimpy and were most dangerous when they got a good shot on the merchant ships.

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Do them like squadron. Perhaps spawning from a PT boat tender. Group of say 4 to 5. 

Essentially treat them like planes on the water. Could be interesting.

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2 minutes ago, BrushWolf said:

British frigates were true anti-submarine ships with limited gun power. The US Destroyer Escorts such as the Samuel B Roberts though could be brought in as low tier premiums but not as full trees. PT's have no place in the type of battles we fight in the game. But, but, but, you say what about Surigao Strait. In that battle they were there as scouts and were told to only launch their torpedoes from maximum range so they would not be spotted.

There were also pretty wimpy and were most dangerous when they got a good shot on the merchant ships.

How fast were they? That could make a difference.
Did they have smoke generators?

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2 minutes ago, ck_Wingz said:

How fast were they? That could make a difference.
Did they have smoke generators?

When new about 40 knots but real world speeds tended to be around 25 knots because of worn out endings and dirty hulls. PT's/MGB's/MGT's/S boats are creatures of the night and coastal waters which our maps are but they were also ambush predators that could not survive the fire of a large warship. In the coastal war the DD was pretty much the largest combatant although the RN did occasionally send a CL into the action.

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33 minutes ago, ck_Wingz said:

How fast were they? That could make a difference.
Did they have smoke generators?

PT boats were actually slower than destroyers. They also could be run over by destroyers and have the destroyer hardly realize that they'd hit anything. This is what happened to PT 109, JFK's boat. And, yes, they had smoke; in fact, it was one of their roles to lay down smoke screens.

 

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1 hour ago, ck_Wingz said:

Thoughts?

None you will want to hear.

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1 hour ago, ck_Wingz said:

I think this would be a great addition, no guns just torps.

Thoughts?

Pining for Operation Dynamo?   If they'd ever bring it back you could watch your idea in action.

Bottom line, though, no one would ever want to play a lone Schnellboot.  The play position would have to be a squadron, at least, and we already have IJN torpedo destroyers.

 

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3 hours ago, ck_Wingz said:

I think this would be a great addition, no guns just torps.

Thoughts?

You would have a boat that can go fast, drop a couple of torps aft, high concealment... It could be premium DD, each nation had some stuff like that. It's going to be "the OP of the month", then everybody will forget about it.

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British frigates were true anti-submarine ships with limited gun power. The US Destroyer Escorts such as the Samuel B Roberts though could be brought in as low tier premiums but not as full trees. PT's have no place in the type of battles we fight in the game. But, but, but, you say what about Surigao Strait. In that battle they were there as scouts and were told to only launch their torpedoes from maximum range so they would not be spotted.

US destroyer escorts or DDE, were much the same as the Royal Navy's frigates. They were designed to escort the slow transport ships of the WW2 era. Their 20 to 23 knot speed was fast enough to chase subs & zip around the 12 knot transports.

Taffy 3, which the Samuel B Roberts was assigned, found itself doing battle for which they were not design. Had the Japanese recognized they were not scouting ships for a larger surface force the battle may have turned out much different.

While PT boat do not have a place in this game may I remind you CV's are not a good fit in this game, even though many enjoy playing them. I can't see subs as a positive addition either. If enough people start asking we may see both DDE's & PT's.. There are those claiming the game will die if something new is not added every so often. DDE's & PT boats are about the only WW2 era ships we don't have.

 

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Some good info in this thread along with some very negative ones. 
I was asking questions to learn more. I see there are a few salty/rude people in this forum also.

 

Thanks to the ones who gave me good info

 

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9 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

PT boats (well, the German equivalent) were in the Dunkirk operation.

And the mid-tier DDs used by players in Operation Dynamo were 1-shotting those things.

 

Something like a 127mm HE shell landing in the middle of a small wooden boat causing it to blow up into millions of pieces.  Imagine that!

 

It would be entertaining for Mega Secondaries BBs like Bismarck being a Death Zone, each secondary shell causing a PT Boat / Schnellboot to explode.  It can be a hilarious way for BBs to regularly get Krakens solely with Secondaries! :Smile_veryhappy:

Imagine what a CL like rapid firing Atlanta, Minotaur, Worcester, Smolensk, etc. can do to these things! 

Atlanta player:  "I just held down the LMB and swept from the left to the right of the screen, and I just destroyed the entire enemy team's PT Boats!  Got a Kraken just from that alone!"

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10 hours ago, Snargfargle said:

PT boats (well, the German equivalent) were in the Dunkirk operation

^^^This.  I don't know that anyone would want to actual play a PT boat / E Boat / MTB.  They were kind of fragile.  Unless maybe they operated as a squadron of 6-8, kind of like torpedo bombers?

Edit:  Now that I think about it, maybe it could be that the ship you actually purchase is a PT boat tender, which launches a squadron of PT boats, kind of like a CV does.  They launch torps, and survivors return to the tender to reload, repair (over time - not instantly) and fill out losses from a limited reserve of spares.  They'd have to be stealthy, and have fairly short ranged torps.  To keep them from becoming stealth spotting monsters, make their ability to detect ships have a fairly limited range, which could be somewhat justified because they don't have spotting towers 8 ft high.  Fast, of course, and maybe with an extra dispersion penalty when ships are shooting at them.  Minimal to non-existent AA, and guns that can only damage other PT boats.  Maybe depth charges too?

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5 hours ago, ck_Wingz said:

I see there are a few salty/rude people in this forum also.

479128690_Dashapimpssalt.jpg.3f0cac737ab0fce266e61689dfc7e29e.jpg  Salt is a meme !

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13 hours ago, ck_Wingz said:

I think this would be a great addition, no guns just torps.

Thoughts?

The subs will be PT boats with a cloaking device.

Right speed, right durability, and torpedoes only...

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13 hours ago, paradat said:

Do them like squadron. Perhaps spawning from a PT boat tender. Group of say 4 to 5. 

Essentially treat them like planes on the water. Could be interesting.

That'll be after subs lol.

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1 hour ago, Skpstr said:

That'll be after subs lol.

Oh yeah waaay after if ever.

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6 minutes ago, paradat said:

Oh yeah waaay after if ever.

I don't see why they couldn't do it, the CV rework paved the way for a group of separate objects, each with their own HP pool.

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1 minute ago, Skpstr said:

I don't see why they couldn't do it, the CV rework paved the way for a group of separate objects, each with their own HP pool.

Sure they could do it. I would not be surprise if this gets a serious look at some point. 

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