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You’re staying with Tier X, limiting the number of BBs to 4 while going 8 v 8, allowing CVs back in AND there are no restrictions on DDs?  It’s almost like you guys conducted a poll on what would really tick off the most players...and went with every thing anyone said.  Everyone hates CVs?  Better put them in!  Ultimate nightmare is 6 DDs in a Ranked battle?  Let’s see how they feel about 7!  People pleading for Tier VI, VII or VIII?  Wow, they can’t narrow it down to only one Tier...let’s go with X again!  

Must be about time to buff the Russian ships, nerf the USN AA and further weaken the German BBs!  

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23 minutes ago, Jake_Miller_67 said:

You’re staying with Tier X, limiting the number of BBs to 4 while going 8 v 8, allowing CVs back in AND there are no restrictions on DDs?  It’s almost like you guys conducted a poll on what would really tick off the most players...and went with every thing anyone said.  Everyone hates CVs?  Better put them in!  Ultimate nightmare is 6 DDs in a Ranked battle?  Let’s see how they feel about 7!  People pleading for Tier VI, VII or VIII?  Wow, they can’t narrow it down to only one Tier...let’s go with X again!  

Must be about time to buff the Russian ships, nerf the USN AA and further weaken the German BBs!  

First of all, WG never removed CVs from Ranked Battles.  The closest they came to doing it was having Ranked on odd numbered tiers.  But that only "removed" them because there are currently no odd numbered tier CVs, not because they blocked CVs from Ranked by rule.

Secondly, everybody does NOT hate CVs.  So, speak for yourself and not this mythical "everybody".

Third, as for lesser tiers, I completely agree with you.  I rather hate seeing Ranked be at the same tier as Clan Battles.  It's too damned boring.  I will say that I'd rather reserve tier 6 (and 5) for Ranked Sprint, but tiers 7-9 are good for regular Ranked, IMO.

 

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33 minutes ago, Jake_Miller_67 said:

You’re staying with Tier X, limiting the number of BBs to 4 while going 8 v 8, allowing CVs back in AND there are no restrictions on DDs?  It’s almost like you guys conducted a poll on what would really tick off the most players...and went with every thing anyone said.  Everyone hates CVs?  Better put them in!  Ultimate nightmare is 6 DDs in a Ranked battle?  Let’s see how they feel about 7!  People pleading for Tier VI, VII or VIII?  Wow, they can’t narrow it down to only one Tier...let’s go with X again!  

Must be about time to buff the Russian ships, nerf the USN AA and further weaken the German BBs!  

Well, they probably sat down, had a meeting and said "you know, no matter what we do, Jake_Miller_67 is gonna b**** about it. And we're not here to make a profit as a multinational gaming company, we're here to ruin his day. So let's find everything that will tick him off and do that." 

Or, maybe they just did what will be fun for most players and accepted that people like you will whine about it.

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1 hour ago, Jake_Miller_67 said:

You’re staying with Tier X, limiting the number of BBs to 4 while going 8 v 8, allowing CVs back in AND there are no restrictions on DDs?  It’s almost like you guys conducted a poll on what would really tick off the most players...and went with every thing anyone said.  Everyone hates CVs?  Better put them in!  Ultimate nightmare is 6 DDs in a Ranked battle?  Let’s see how they feel about 7!  People pleading for Tier VI, VII or VIII?  Wow, they can’t narrow it down to only one Tier...let’s go with X again!  

Must be about time to buff the Russian ships, nerf the USN AA and further weaken the German BBs!  

fwiw last season was T9 but pretty much what i was thinking also was trying to figure out how it fit with last season of ranked lessons learned. it was a musashi / kitakaze fest so maybe limit the bb artificially  but not cap dd's for some reason .so use cv's to keep dd's in check?  At the same time reduce the xp cv's get to reduce the chance of cv's saving a star so maybe people wont play them.  i despised the last tier x ranked with cv's yea a lots changed since then but AA is still not very good regardless.  Also last seasons dd meta was awful as well i cant seem to win. 

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1 hour ago, RipNuN2 said:

Sure, let's do t6 instead. My Ryujo stands ready. Flat is justice.

I picked mine up not too long ago. I like Ryujo alot. Nice step up from the now nerfed Hosho

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Ok, I retract the whining about CVs in Ranked.  I will say that “poeticmotion” nailed it: WoW must be plotting against me in a vast left-wing conspiracy in order to further promote Socialism...glad someone finally caught them!  

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1 hour ago, Crucis said:

First of all, WG never removed CVs from Ranked Battles.  The closest they came to doing it was having Ranked on odd numbered tiers.  But that only "removed" them because there are currently no odd numbered tier CVs, not because they blocked CVs from Ranked by rule.

Secondly, everybody does NOT hate CVs.  So, speak for yourself and not this mythical "everybody".

Third, as for lesser tiers, I completely agree with you.  I rather hate seeing Ranked be at the same tier as Clan Battles.  It's too damned boring.  I will say that I'd rather reserve tier 6 (and 5) for Ranked Sprint, but tiers 7-9 are good for regular Ranked, IMO.

 

Not everyone hates CVs, but judging from the comments I see in game chat, I don't think very many people would mind that much if CVs just disappeared one update.

Lower tier Ranked is always a lot more fun. Unfortunately there are a few ships that have ruined T7, but T6 or 8 would be fine. The T10 Stalingrad, Smolensk, Yamato, Kremlin, Shima campfest does get boring. Personally I'm still voting for T1.

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4 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Not everyone hates CVs, but judging from the comments I see in game chat, I don't think very many people would mind that much if CVs just disappeared one update.

Lower tier Ranked is always a lot more fun. Unfortunately there are a few ships that have ruined T7, but T6 or 8 would be fine. The T10 Stalingrad, Smolensk, Yamato, Kremlin, Shima campfest does get boring. Personally I'm still voting for T1.

Since they changed black swan t1 is pretty samey overall why not t2 or t3?

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5 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Not everyone hates CVs, but judging from the comments I see in game chat, I don't think very many people would mind that much if CVs just disappeared one update.

Lower tier Ranked is always a lot more fun. Unfortunately there are a few ships that have ruined T7, but T6 or 8 would be fine. The T10 Stalingrad, Smolensk, Yamato, Kremlin, Shima campfest does get boring. Personally I'm still voting for T1.

How about a humongous NO to tier 1?!!!!!  As in no effing way!!!

 

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I like the T10 idea.

Being 1 of 2 BB players in Clan Wars, Kremlin driver, I look forward to using my new Kleber, legendary Gearing,  legendary Des Moines or Grozovoi.....

Having all the T10, except CV, Ohio, Colbert, Salem, Yoshino, burgogne, Stalingrad and Sommers, I could use a variety of ships to rank up.

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1 hour ago, Crucis said:

First of all, WG never removed CVs from Ranked Battles.  The closest they came to doing it was having Ranked on odd numbered tiers.  But that only "removed" them because there are currently no odd numbered tier CVs, not because they blocked CVs from Ranked by rule.

Secondly, everybody does NOT hate CVs.  So, speak for yourself and not this mythical "everybody".

Third, as for lesser tiers, I completely agree with you.  I rather hate seeing Ranked be at the same tier as Clan Battles.  It's too damned boring.  I will say that I'd rather reserve tier 6 (and 5) for Ranked Sprint, but tiers 7-9 are good for regular Ranked, IMO.

 

Well said @Crucis

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12 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Not everyone hates CVs, but judging from the comments I see in game chat, I don't think very many people would mind that much if CVs just disappeared one update.

I agree with you that not everyone hates CVs.

I play CVs just as much as I play cruisers, destroyers, and battleships....but sometimes I wonder: what would happen if CVs were to be removed?

Assuming a theoretical World of Warships with no CVs, I do think that the destroyer-meta would just get stronger....and then there would be complaints thrown against destroyers ( of course, even now there are people who complain about the Klebers and Harugumos and Tashkets on how annoying they are to deal with)

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I have always been advocating for a Ranked Battle or Ranked Sprint event to be held at Tier V, Tier IV, or even Tier III.

Tier II would be......amusing, but difficult. 

Tier I Ranked Battles would be hilarious...but would be so darn slow. 

 

My reason for recommending the lower tiers III-V for Ranked is that 

(1) There are plenty of premiums of those lower tiers that players would love to have the excuse to make use of

(2) Gives a break from the stress of playing higher tiers, such as how the lower tiers have NO surveillance radar of any kind

(3) It would be easier on new players to join into the competitive game modes.  Now.....first, I am not saying that new players should be allowed IMMEDIATELY to be able to play lower Tier Ranked events, especially the green-as-grass new players.  There should be a system--that would not be difficult to implement on Wargaming's part---that no one can participate in any Ranked battles unless they have played a certain amount of Random Battles (like, ~700 matches) and have reached Tier V on at least one of their tech tree lines. (in fact, there already could be a system like this already in place, but I am not so sure, so if anyone knows feel free to let me know).

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14 minutes ago, Ciryandil said:

I agree with you that not everyone hates CVs.

I play CVs just as much as I play cruisers, destroyers, and battleships....but sometimes I wonder: what would happen if CVs were to be removed?

Assuming a theoretical World of Warships with no CVs, I do think that the destroyer-meta would just get stronger....and then there would be complaints thrown against destroyers ( of course, even now there are people who complain about the Klebers and Harugumos and Tashkets on how annoying they are to deal with)

You make a very good point, Ciry.    But also, if CVs were removed from the mix, it would throw off the balance when it comes to consumables.  Many ships have to choose between hydro and DefAA.  But if CVs were removed, they wouldn't have to make a choice.  They'd mount hydro all the time, and that would make life harder on DDs and some cruisers that use torpedoes.  Also, it would mess with the skill choices, and to a lesser degree with upgrade module choices.

 

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15 minutes ago, Ciryandil said:

people who complain about the Klebers and Harugumos and Tashkets on how annoying they are to deal with

Did you really see complaints about the Tashkent? :Smile_amazed:

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8 minutes ago, Ciryandil said:

I agree with you that not everyone hates CVs.

I play CVs just as much as I play cruisers, destroyers, and battleships....but sometimes I wonder: what would happen if CVs were to be removed?

Assuming a theoretical World of Warships with no CVs, I do think that the destroyer-meta would just get stronger....and then there would be complaints thrown against destroyers ( of course, even now there are people who complain about the Klebers and Harugumos and Tashkets on how annoying they are to deal with)

I think CVs should be in WOWs, they're a ship type, historical, and if done right could bring a lot more depth to the game.

The issue is as implemented they detract from the main focus of the game (making other ships go boom). When planes come in, you're distracted from your main goal. Planes serve pretty much to prevent DDs from doing their thing. And in return, what do we get? We watch pretty puffs knock down planes, try to dodge even more things, and then watch our HP go away. And there's the fundamental inbalance of every time your ship gets hit, it loses HP, every time you shoot down a plane, the CV only loses potential damage against you, and not anything crucial to his survival. Basically with a CV in the match, there are now two games happening, which detract from one another. And I'm really starting to wonder if CVs just aren't worth the distraction they cause from the surface warfare.

Another way to think of it is this: If WG overnight removed DDs, cruisers, or BBs, the game would fundamentally change overnight. Roles would instantly change, meta would shift, etc. If CVs just disappeared, nothing would really change. The other three classes would do their thing, but nothing would fundamentally change. Yeah, AA would be useless, but most ships are still going to do what they're going to do. If an entire ship class can be removed without seriously affecting gameplay, one has to ask if that ship class is really a good addition, especially as including it has caused endless trouble and controversy.

I think CVs are mostly balanced. But balanced doesn't mean fun to play with. And IMO CVs are really just a distraction. People can argue that that's shallow thinking, but the focus of the game is to sink enemy ships, and if you're shooting down planes, you're not doing that, and not really gaining anything in return. I mean AA, cool visuals, but that's about it. There's no skill, no equivalent to shooting other ships there. CVs are a distraction as implemented.

Same thing with subs is my worry. I think WG can balance them. My concern is that they'll not add anything to core gameplay. They'll just be a distraction, like CVs. DDs will now choose between capping and spotting, or chasing SSs. When a SS appears near your BB, now you have to take attention away from the action, and deal with him. Balanced? Probably. Fun to play with? Maybe not so much. Running away from invisible enemies isn't much fun. I think with CVs and SSs, WG is concentrating so much on whether they CAN do it, they're not (to quote the movies) stopping to think whether they SHOULD do it.

 

Now, I would love to see both CVs and SSs as an integral part of the game, both classes could really add to the depth of the gameplay. But when you're automating the way ships interact with these new classes, that tells you that they're a distraction from something else, which is the core gameplay. As a result, I think as implemented right now, neither CVs nor SSs have a place in WOWs. In a different form, absolutely, but right now, they're just an expensive distraction.

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6 hours ago, Jake_Miller_67 said:

You’re staying with Tier X, limiting the number of BBs to 4 while going 8 v 8, allowing CVs back in AND there are no restrictions on DDs?  It’s almost like you guys conducted a poll on what would really tick off the most players...and went with every thing anyone said.

I'm ok with the average terrible T10 BB player not appearing on my team in numbers of like 5 or 6. Would be nice if they also limited the DDs, but at least they got the BBs.

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7 hours ago, Crucis said:

I will say that I'd rather reserve tier 6 (and 5) for Ranked Sprint, but tiers 7-9 are good for regular Ranked, IMO.

I actually kind of think it'd be a blast to have a full Ranked season at T5, simply because there are some really fun ships at that Tier that rarely get played these days (T6 ships at least have Scenarios in addition to randoms). But yeah, at the very least I'd like to see more mid tier play.

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17 hours ago, AJTP89 said:

As a result, I think as implemented right now, neither CVs nor SSs have a place in WOWs. In a different form, absolutely, but right now, they're just an expensive distraction.

I have carefully read all that you said. 

I think that submarines (SSs) and aircraft carriers (CVs) are supposed to be the distractions.  They are, after all, designed to harry and whittle down the enemy.  That was both their historical role and what they do in World of Warships.  

Now.....as for CVs and SSs being balanced, they definitely need to be tweaked a bit more.   One thing that I would like to see implemented in CVs where the player can control a fighter squadron and shoot at enemy planes. I am not really much of a fan of the "drop fighter consumable" tactic, where you hope that the enemy CV player will blunder into your fighters and give you fighter shot-down ribbons. The unfortunately thing about CVs at this current stage, is that CVs are not useful in attacking each other. 

Each CV comes with a fighter squad that for 5 minutes flies about the carrier, protecting it.  Of course, you could still attack the CV with your own planes, but you are going to lose a lot of planes of your own to the fighters and to the CV's AA.   The result is that CVs, instead of trying to sink each other, focus on all the other ships: DDs, cruisers, and BBs.  While, of course historically, CVs attacked other surface ships, they mostly focusing on sinking each other, because if the enemy is deprived of CVs, then their surface ships are sitting ducks.

The current state of CV gameplay now in WOWS  reverses this by compelling CV players to attack the other surface ships first before attacking the enemy CVs.  The final result, of course, is that players who play battleships, destroyers, and cruisers, complain a lot about being focused down by CVs.  But of course, the CV player is simply doing his/her best given the game mechanics that WG has installed for CVs. 

SSs are naturally meant to prey on surface ships. They are hunters. So of course they "distract from the main gameplay" that is, firing guns from surface ships at other surface ships. 

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The bottom line is that, yes CVs and SSs are designed to be the nuisances, and that they do "distract form the main gameplay" as you said, but they nonetheless make WOWS not just a simple first-person-shooter kind of game.  They offer other ways to sinking enemy vessels, besides just guns. 

 

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20 hours ago, Jake_Miller_67 said:

You’re staying with Tier X, limiting the number of BBs to 4 while going 8 v 8, allowing CVs back in AND there are no restrictions on DDs?  It’s almost like you guys conducted a poll on what would really tick off the most players...and went with every thing anyone said.  Everyone hates CVs?  Better put them in!  Ultimate nightmare is 6 DDs in a Ranked battle?  Let’s see how they feel about 7!  People pleading for Tier VI, VII or VIII?  Wow, they can’t narrow it down to only one Tier...let’s go with X again!  

Must be about time to buff the Russian ships, nerf the USN AA and further weaken the German BBs!  

Can someone remind me when they took CVs out of ranked?    

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1 minute ago, iRA6E said:

Can someone remind me when they took CVs out of ranked?    

When it was tier 9 this year.

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1 minute ago, DrHolmes52 said:

When it was tier 9 this year.

OK.. You got me there.......  

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