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Any Reason For No CVs in Armory?

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With almost every other available Premium Ship available in the in-game Armory for doubloons, is there any reason that the premium carriers haven't been added to the list?

@Umbaretz, will these CVs ever be added in the future?  Seems like a weird exclusion to me.

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4 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

With almost every other available Premium Ship available in the in-game Armory for doubloons, is there any reason that the premium carriers haven't been added to the list?

@Umbaretz, will these CVs ever be added in the future?  Seems like a weird exclusion to me.

There are also new CV lines coming for USN, IJN and RN... When these will be added? 

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I am starting to note several things about CVs,  no work on legendary modules for the T10s? Still not in Clan Wars.     No RB,  coal, Free XP, or steel CVs being offered, despite a stockpile of available models with tech tree ships that are no longer in game...     Halloween perma camos not being able to be mounted to them,  Now the early announcements for perma camos from New Years event stating they also can't be mounted to CVs either, while available to every other ship type in the game?  Starting to make a statement IMO.      

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11 minutes ago, franz_von_goltz said:

There are also new CV lines coming for USN, IJN and RN... When these will be added? 

I'd fully expect to see a French CV line at some point in the distant future as well.

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18 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

With almost every other available Premium Ship available in the in-game Armory for doubloons, is there any reason that the premium carriers haven't been added to the list?

@Umbaretz, will these CVs ever be added in the future?  Seems like a weird exclusion to me.

cause they would break the game, as to be a steel or premium ship would mean it would have to be stronger than the tech tree ship. to do that would make the very loosely balanced the cv game broekn. you will have what we had before. cv could simply kill anything. now at least it takes more than 1 run at a boat. 

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3 minutes ago, MEANN said:

cause they would break the game, as to be a steel or premium ship would mean it would have to be stronger than the tech tree ship. to do that would make the very loosely balanced the cv game broekn. you will have what we had before. cv could simply kill anything. now at least it takes more than 1 run at a boat. 

There is no rule that reward/premium ships have to be unbalanced/OP?      While some OP premium/rewards can be quite strong there are many that are not.       Your statement lacks any basis in reality? 

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3 minutes ago, MEANN said:

cause they would break the game, as to be a steel or premium ship would mean it would have to be stronger than the tech tree ship. to do that would make the very loosely balanced the cv game broekn. you will have what we had before. cv could simply kill anything. now at least it takes more than 1 run at a boat. 

What? :Smile_amazed:

You've missed the point here.  All I'm asking is why the standard Premium CVs (that you can already buy for cash) are not available in the Armory to be purchasable for doubloons (like the rest of the Premium Ships).  I have absolutely no idea where the rant about steel or killing anything came from.

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I realize this is bait, but let's state the obvious here: even WG knows they effed up. 

 

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Next year: why aren't subs in the armory?

 

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39 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

With almost every other available Premium Ship available in the in-game Armory for doubloons, is there any reason that the premium carriers haven't been added to the list?

@Umbaretz, will these CVs ever be added in the future?  Seems like a weird exclusion to me.

Because WG knows there bad for the game, but what do they do now after there big rework cash grab? They got their money, only thing they got is to let them die off now,

 

and im ok with that

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5 minutes ago, NoLoveForPhatShips said:

Because WG knows there bad for the game, but what do they do now after there big rework cash grab? They got their money, only thing they got is to let them die off now,

 

and im ok with that

Its not the ships that are the problem but player's attitudes. If you cant handle them, then maybe you shouldn't have downloaded the game? WOT, they cried about artillery. AW they cried about artillery and WOW they cried about CV's.  See a pattern?  Its not that ANY of ship's are  bad for the game but the childish thinking of player's who cant handle being beat by those ships.

 

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1 hour ago, Ace_04 said:

With almost every other available Premium Ship available in the in-game Armory for doubloons, is there any reason that the premium carriers haven't been added to the list?

@Umbaretz, will these CVs ever be added in the future?  Seems like a weird exclusion to me.

The only Logical reasons that I can come up with are:

A:) WG doesn't want a flood of Free Premium CV drivers running around, lacking the skills and/or investment into making the ships work. At least if someone spent money on them, hopefully they'd be either motivated to not waste the investment, or be more careful about making it in the first place. WG doesn't actually want anyone to buy a ship and go "what a turd" because that would make you far less likely to spend money in the future. After all, they're a business, and want your money.

B:) CV's are more expensive to model than other ships both in terms of modeling time, and research. You not only have the ship, but you have the planes and the makings.

C:) WG threw a bunch of completely free Premium CV's out to the players back during the rework, and has probably noted how many became port queens or were sold instantly.

I don't see WG waiting for CV's to die off, they recently released the Ark Royal, and have kept 3 other CV's in the store. They're probably distracted by holiday events and impending chaos of submarines once they learn what the player impact will be.

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1 minute ago, SgtBeltfed said:

A:) WG doesn't want a flood of Free Premium CV drivers running around, lacking the skills and/or investment into making the ships work. At least if someone spent money on them, hopefully they'd be either motivated to not waste the investment, or be more careful about making it in the first place. WG doesn't actually want anyone to buy a ship and go "what a turd" because that would make you far less likely to spend money in the future. After all, they're a business, and want your money.

Doubloons still cost money to buy and use, no?

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1 minute ago, Ace_04 said:

Doubloons still cost money to buy and use, no?

You can get them through other means, out of containers, as rewards for events ect... depending on how many you have built up this way, and what coupons you have in the armory laying around, you could get a very cheap tier 8 CV indeed.

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2 minutes ago, SgtBeltfed said:

You can get them through other means, out of containers, as rewards for events ect... depending on how many you have built up this way, and what coupons you have in the armory laying around, you could get a very cheap tier 8 CV indeed.

I'm still not sure of the issue here.  For the amount of time and effort WG put into the rework, you'd think they'd want to recoup as much value as possible (whether it be $$$ or doubloons) in the CV arena.

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6 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

I'm still not sure of the issue here.  For the amount of time and effort WG put into the rework, you'd think they'd want to recoup as much value as possible (whether it be $$$ or doubloons) in the CV arena.

They'd probably like to, but I'm guessing WG is being very careful with them. There's only 5 premium CV's, one of which has been relegated for the foreseeable future to santa crates. The rework didn't really work, you've still got people out with the torches and pitchforks in numbers you didn't see pre-rework. A bunch of people getting them for 5 bucks and then crying about how bad they are and how they got ripped off wouldn't help WG. WG only makes money on Doubloons they sell, not on the ones they give out.

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4 minutes ago, SgtBeltfed said:

They'd probably like to, but I'm guessing WG is being very careful with them. There's only 5 premium CV's, one of which has been relegated for the foreseeable future to santa crates. The rework didn't really work, you've still got people out with the torches and pitchforks in numbers you didn't see pre-rework. A bunch of people getting them for 5 bucks and then crying about how bad they are and how they got ripped off wouldn't help WG. WG only makes money on Doubloons they sell, not on the ones they give out.

I firmly believe that those still holding pitchforks and torches simply aren't seeing both sides of the equation, and would probably hate carriers no matter which way they could be re-imagined.  Haters are gonna hate, but I'd like those haters to at least try to play a few matches in some CVs just to be able to fully understand the mechanics of the class.  If they still want to hate at that point, let them.

Despite not being for everybody, and the rework not going exactly the smoothest, I think the revamped carriers are actually somewhat of a success.  They are not nearly as OP as they used to be in the hands of a unicum (cross drop DDs, anyone?) who could single-handedly carry a game.  Plus, more players are trying/playing them than ever before.  The fact that the rework got me to finally grind through all the CV lines (and actually kinda enjoy it) is a case in point here.  I never liked the RTS style (although many did moreso), so the more engaging, first-hand playstyle we have now actually got me to play a class that I never would have touched otherwise.

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2 hours ago, MEANN said:

as to be a steel or premium ship would mean it would have to be stronger than the tech tree ship

I would like to direct your attention to the Viribus Unitus.

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6 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

I firmly believe that those still holding pitchforks and torches simply aren't seeing both sides of the equation, and would probably hate carriers no matter which way they could be re-imagined.  Haters are gonna hate, but I'd like those haters to at least try to play a few matches in some CVs just to be able to fully understand the mechanics of the class.  If they still want to hate at that point, let them.

Despite not being for everybody, and the rework not going exactly the smoothest, I think the revamped carriers are actually somewhat of a success.  They are not nearly as OP as they used to be in the hands of a unicum (cross drop DDs, anyone?) who could single-handedly carry a game.  Plus, more players are trying/playing them than ever before.  The fact that the rework got me to finally grind through all the CV lines (and actually kinda enjoy it) is a case in point here.  I never liked the RTS style (although many did moreso), so the more engaging, first-hand playstyle we have now actually got me to play a class that I never would have touched otherwise.

More players are trying them than ever before???:Smile_teethhappy:

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Try doing actual research before making claims....Less than 5% of the players, almost pre-rework levels...

WG wanted 3 cv's per side per game, based on that alone, the CV rework is massive failure, and the game continues to drive players away....

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2 minutes ago, awiggin said:

More players are trying them than ever before???:Smile_teethhappy:

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Try doing actual research before making claims....Less than 5% of the players, almost pre-rework levels...

WG wanted 3 cv's per side per game, based on that alone, the CV rework is massive failure, and the game continues to drive players away....

I'm saying have tried them overall, at least once, since rework inception.  Not how many are currently playing them on a continuous basis.

And before you make any counter-claims, please post evidence of where WG officially claimed they wanted 3 CVs per side, per game.  I don't think that was ever said.

Lastly, if you look at current stats, the player base is actually slowly rising, not falling.

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12 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

I firmly believe that those still holding pitchforks and torches simply aren't seeing both sides of the equation, and would probably hate carriers no matter which way they could be re-imagined.  Haters are gonna hate, but I'd like those haters to at least try to play a few matches in some CVs just to be able to fully understand the mechanics of the class.  If they still want to hate at that point, let them.

Despite not being for everybody, and the rework not going exactly the smoothest, I think the revamped carriers are actually somewhat of a success.  They are not nearly as OP as they used to be in the hands of a unicum (cross drop DDs, anyone?) who could single-handedly carry a game.  Plus, more players are trying/playing them than ever before.  The fact that the rework got me to finally grind through all the CV lines (and actually kinda enjoy it) is a case in point here.  I never liked the RTS style (although many did moreso), so the more engaging, first-hand playstyle we have now actually got me to play a class that I never would have touched otherwise.

Oh, I'll agree there's been some good come out of the rework. But pre-rework we didn't have this level of hatred. Maybe it was the 1 game in 10 or 20 you actually saw a CV V/S now CV's are a constant like they should have been from the start.

3 minutes ago, awiggin said:

More players are trying them than ever before???:Smile_teethhappy:

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Try doing actual research before making claims....Less than 5% of the players, almost pre-rework levels...

WG wanted 3 cv's per side per game, based on that alone, the CV rework is massive failure, and the game continues to drive players away....

Pretty much meaningless, WG put restrictions on how many CV's are in any match, if you work out how many high tier matches have CV's v/s how many battleships are in a match on the average, you've got about 50/50 odds of having a CV in a match (which is probably healthy from a keeping things from getting stale and making choices sense). Which is a lot higher than it was pre-rework which basically boiled down to the only way for me to see a CV was to bring one myself.

Players, like yourself, drive people away. Players that tell others what to do, while camping behind a rock while their team dies, the ones that camp in the back uselessly while whining about how unfair CV's are, the players that suicide at the start because they didn't get the MM they wanted drive more players away than CV's ever could. At least a CV will spot for you and give you a heads up on that radar cruiser with friends that's on his way to a cap to tear your DD in half. Of course, DD players seem to think they are better off without CV's, blindly driving into a cap to 1V1 another DD, and the radar cruisers that came to back the red DD up, while your own cruisers hide where they can't help you. Maybe there's another reason that DD's have the lowest survival rate of any ship in the game.

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3 hours ago, pikohan said:

I realize this is bait, but let's state the obvious here: even WG knows they effed up. 

 

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Next year: why aren't subs in the armory?

 

oh gosh I hope subs aren't in game next year

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1 hour ago, logane0616 said:

I would like to direct your attention to the Viribus Unitus.

I'll raise you one Genova.

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2 hours ago, Ace_04 said:

I firmly believe that those still holding pitchforks and torches simply aren't seeing both sides of the equation, and would probably hate carriers no matter which way they could be re-imagined.  Haters are gonna hate, but I'd like those haters to at least try to play a few matches in some CVs just to be able to fully understand the mechanics of the class.  If they still want to hate at that point, let them.

i have played a fair amount of cv games i even reached rank 5 midway and lexington on NA and i will always reinforce as will gaishu one of the worlds best cv players,  current cv are awful for the game they can do every other ship class roles better and have free domination over any ship regardless of skill levels on either side

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3 hours ago, NoLoveForPhatShips said:

Because WG knows there bad for the game, but what do they do now after there big rework cash grab? They got their money, only thing they got is to let them die off now,

 

and im ok with that

Hear, hear.

 

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