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As WoWS goes on, friendliness goes down.

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I’m not referring to friendliness as in “how friendly people are”, but rather, as “how willing to meet other people people are.” (Yes, it’s a bit confusing, but think about it.) Everybody I will mention are not people I am criticizing or saying anything negative about. Rather, they are people I have had fun times with – and that I still remember. They have left a big enough impression that years (or more rarely, months) after the events, the events are still in my memory.

We, in WoWS, all start from a humble beginning. We all start at tier 1, and we all play our way up. This describes me as well. I joined at the very beginning of open beta. From the beginning, this was a weird game. No >20 minute connections; meet a player once and never see each other again.

Now that’s not quite true as divisions exist (I didn’t know then) and DMs exist (it’s still not perfect). But the point is, I met people, we were happy to meet each other, and we had fun times. I’ve had weird experiences, (they were all good ones too). There was this guy with “Apple” in his username. He insisted on escorting my Langley in his Wyoming. And by “escort”, he stuck by me the whole match. As we all can see, pretty dumb right? Well, we became great friends and gradually, I convinced him to go out and fight, always to expect air cover from me.

Yep, I was a CV main. Not a particularly good one (actually, a terrible one), but people were happy to chat and div. My memory failed me at times, and sometimes, I couldn’t remember the username to DM post-battle. (There are tabs in post battle screens, but I didn’t know then. Oh, the things I didn’t know.) There was this Army medic I met twice (remember “meet a player once and never see each other again”? Not quite true as I first learned here). He had “beaver” in his username, I forgot the whole username, and I never saw or heard from him again. Still regret it. These weird, pointless things that you regret in life…

And of course, we shouldn’t forget the player I first div’d with and taught me what divs were. I am happy to say he is still around and (as I was very excited to find years later) was a regular forumer. [Redacted]. Months ago (or has it been a year), I saw him again. Excitedly, I asked him if I was on his contacts. No reply. I learned in post-battle DMs he had completely forgot me. I was astonished. I thought our div was his first-in-life too! (At the time he was experimenting with divs. He said he had no idea how it worked.) Well, if we learned divs together, am I not a player you would remember?

I was friendly with players you may recognize as well. As I said, we all come from humble beginnings. There was a period where I regularly divisioned with LittleWhiteMouse before she steadily got more occupied. No, I did not know of the forums then. Great person. We still talk occasionally. There was a period where I divisioned with Redavenger6. Clans were far from a thing. (Talked with him a few months back when we coincidentally met in-battle. Yep, on his contacts. Nope, didn’t remember me.) There was a period where I regularly divisioned with mindystorm. In fact, my first clan was MIA. (I would guess I was all-time recruit #25-30.) I got the boot for many reasons, but in all the subsequent clans I joined, there was a common trend. I joined because I knew a deputy commander or commander well, and some months later, that friend would leave the game for whatever reason.

I’ve regularly div’d with some players over the course of this game. Sadly, regular divisions for me ended 2 years ago. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say I div’d with the same one/two players every night, every day, for months. AlphaBravo1118 Skullz28king Tazzed61 preludacriss kiwicoldbeer cygany There had to have been a way to meet these people right? A way that still exists now?

I still remember weird things about people. Alleycatz taught me stock NC had 53.7k hp. B hull NC, 66k. No, I didn’t search up these values while writing this. No, I haven’t played (re-worked) CVs in a long time. Yes, I still remember. Why? The connection we made must’ve meant something to me — And it still does. I have no idea when we last div’d, or even when he/she was last online, except that it must’ve been years ago. I met ThatLungfish after he carried out two incredible saves, while pink, in two ranked battles back-to-back (what a coincidence to have been on his team both times). Why do I remember he was pink? No idea either. Does it matter he was pink? Nope. The list of players goes on and on.

And these are the things you lose. Things that once were. And, I reluctantly add (for fear of misinterpretation), things that once were easy to get. (Easy to get doesn’t mean I don’t value. In fact, just the opposite.)

Things happen in life, a player and I stop divisioning, and we grow distant. All wholly expected, yet still surprising. Reversing the distancing is exceptionally difficult.

Players I used to sporadically division with, now ghosting me or declining to division at all. Players I used to heavily division with, now leaving (silently) after a single close loss. And simply, not finding new, nice players that remind me of the playerbase in the early open beta days. Back then, people volunteered to escort a CV. This is now unheard of. I still am an active player, finishing two daily missions and two containers min every day. My opinion is, activity #T10s. Just to put it out there, I have 15+.

The “not finding new, nice players” comment is too true. And as I am grinding low tiers in this Alt, I am reminded of how meaningless these low-tier battles now are. They are no longer a chance to meet new players. They are a place to get out of, fast.

In my current clan, I am a good friend of a deputy commander. He no longer plays. And frankly, if I left this clan, I don’t have another one to go to. I don’t know any other current players well. (Well as in they would invite me to a clan they were clan commander of.) And this is painful to admit.

In the current days, how often do you division with players to:

1.       Maintain your competitive line-up?

2.       Win the battle? (Yeah, we all like to win, but to a certain extent, do you division with this player because he is a 70%er and you like the win?)

3.       Chat and get to know another player better?

4.       Simply relax and have fun with a player you already know and have a long history with?

The above may/may not have been what WoWS once was, and it may not be what WoWS is now.

What are your thoughts?

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11 minutes ago, st_louis_1 said:

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They guys in my clan are a very friendly bunch, at least last time I spoke with them.  Since updating my internet I've had persistent issues with Discord, but that another matter...

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Sort of the duality of the Internet in general. Great place to meet people, but also a great place to get stuck in closed circles.

I think it was Charlie Chaplin  in The Great Dictator, who said something like "technology is wonderful and can be used to bring us together, but at the same time it can make us become cynical and divide us".

Just some random thoughts.

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Hmm, I dunno: sure there's people who come and go, but I think I know and play with more people than ever before right now. That probably keeps me playing more than anything else. 

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4 hours ago, st_louis_1 said:

I’m not referring to friendliness as in “how friendly people are”, but rather, as “how willing to meet other people people are.” (Yes, it’s a bit confusing, but think about it.) Everybody I will mention are not people I am criticizing or saying anything negative about. Rather, they are people I have had fun times with – and that I still remember. They have left a big enough impression that years (or more rarely, months) after the events, the events are still in my memory.

We, in WoWS, all start from a humble beginning. We all start at tier 1, and we all play our way up. This describes me as well. I joined at the very beginning of open beta. From the beginning, this was a weird game. No >20 minute connections; meet a player once and never see each other again.

Now that’s not quite true as divisions exist (I didn’t know then) and DMs exist (it’s still not perfect). But the point is, I met people, we were happy to meet each other, and we had fun times. I’ve had weird experiences, (they were all good ones too). There was this guy with “Apple” in his username. He insisted on escorting my Langley in his Wyoming. And by “escort”, he stuck by me the whole match. As we all can see, pretty dumb right? Well, we became great friends and gradually, I convinced him to go out and fight, always to expect air cover from me.

Yep, I was a CV main. Not a particularly good one (actually, a terrible one), but people were happy to chat and div. My memory failed me at times, and sometimes, I couldn’t remember the username to DM post-battle. (There are tabs in post battle screens, but I didn’t know then. Oh, the things I didn’t know.) There was this Army medic I met twice (remember “meet a player once and never see each other again”? Not quite true as I first learned here). He had “beaver” in his username, I forgot the whole username, and I never saw or heard from him again. Still regret it. These weird, pointless things that you regret in life…

And of course, we shouldn’t forget the player I first div’d with and taught me what divs were. I am happy to say he is still around and (as I was very excited to find years later) was a regular forumer. [Redacted]. Months ago (or has it been a year), I saw him again. Excitedly, I asked him if I was on his contacts. No reply. I learned in post-battle DMs he had completely forgot me. I was astonished. I thought our div was his first-in-life too! (At the time he was experimenting with divs. He said he had no idea how it worked.) Well, if we learned divs together, am I not a player you would remember?

I was friendly with players you may recognize as well. As I said, we all come from humble beginnings. There was a period where I regularly divisioned with LittleWhiteMouse before she steadily got more occupied. No, I did not know of the forums then. Great person. We still talk occasionally. There was a period where I divisioned with Redavenger6. Clans were far from a thing. (Talked with him a few months back when we coincidentally met in-battle. Yep, on his contacts. Nope, didn’t remember me.) There was a period where I regularly divisioned with mindystorm. In fact, my first clan was MIA. (I would guess I was all-time recruit #25-30.) I got the boot for many reasons, but in all the subsequent clans I joined, there was a common trend. I joined because I knew a deputy commander or commander well, and some months later, that friend would leave the game for whatever reason.

I’ve regularly div’d with some players over the course of this game. Sadly, regular divisions for me ended 2 years ago. It wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say I div’d with the same one/two players every night, every day, for months. AlphaBravo1118 Skullz28king Tazzed61 preludacriss kiwicoldbeer cygany There had to have been a way to meet these people right? A way that still exists now?

I still remember weird things about people. Alleycatz taught me stock NC had 53.7k hp. B hull NC, 66k. No, I didn’t search up these values while writing this. No, I haven’t played (re-worked) CVs in a long time. Yes, I still remember. Why? The connection we made must’ve meant something to me — And it still does. I have no idea when we last div’d, or even when he/she was last online, except that it must’ve been years ago. I met ThatLungfish after he carried out two incredible saves, while pink, in two ranked battles back-to-back (what a coincidence to have been on his team both times). Why do I remember he was pink? No idea either. Does it matter he was pink? Nope. The list of players goes on and on.

And these are the things you lose. Things that once were. And, I reluctantly add (for fear of misinterpretation), things that once were easy to get. (Easy to get doesn’t mean I don’t value. In fact, just the opposite.)

Things happen in life, a player and I stop divisioning, and we grow distant. All wholly expected, yet still surprising. Reversing the distancing is exceptionally difficult.

Players I used to sporadically division with, now ghosting me or declining to division at all. Players I used to heavily division with, now leaving (silently) after a single close loss. And simply, not finding new, nice players that remind me of the playerbase in the early open beta days. Back then, people volunteered to escort a CV. This is now unheard of. I still am an active player, finishing two daily missions and two containers min every day. My opinion is, activity #T10s. Just to put it out there, I have 15+.

The “not finding new, nice players” comment is too true. And as I am grinding low tiers in this Alt, I am reminded of how meaningless these low-tier battles now are. They are no longer a chance to meet new players. They are a place to get out of, fast.

In my current clan, I am a good friend of a deputy commander. He no longer plays. And frankly, if I left this clan, I don’t have another one to go to. I don’t know any other current players well. (Well as in they would invite me to a clan they were clan commander of.) And this is painful to admit.

In the current days, how often do you division with players to:

1.       Maintain your competitive line-up?

2.       Win the battle? (Yeah, we all like to win, but to a certain extent, do you division with this player because he is a 70%er and you like the win?)

3.       Chat and get to know another player better?

4.       Simply relax and have fun with a player you already know and have a long history with?

The above may/may not have been what WoWS once was, and it may not be what WoWS is now.

What are your thoughts?

You probably should learn to condense your thoughts.

I stopped reading after the second sentence as will many others.

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4 hours ago, st_louis_1 said:

I am willing to confirm/deny your guesses of my identity through PM. I doubt you need to know who I am to understand my feelings though.

Then why the sock puppet?

To address your concerns, the answers can be found in any MMO, social media platform, or nightclub. WoWS is just a microcosm of humanity in general and the online gaming subset thereof.

I've been a gamer since the original Everquest came out, and nothing has changed except the technology.

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33 minutes ago, Vaffu said:

You probably should learn to condense your thoughts.

I stopped reading after the second sentence as will many others.

If the length of his post is an issue for you, then you similarly probably shouldn't quote THE ENTIRE, LONG POST when responding.

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I think a lot of the reason you have mentioned are the exact reason why when I put my clan together, the focus has always been more on demeanor than win rate. By focusing on positive social vibes instead of win rate, I have a group where the core is pretty tight knit, and even when someone takes an extended leave, as long as we keep talking outside the game, they tend to come back around eventually. It also helps that the original core members were people who are friends IRL, and why the best recruiting successes are when we bring in groups of 2 or 3 friends. They tend to keep each other involved. No, we aren't top level competitive, but really, we don't want that kind of stress to perform.

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I actually read the entire thing … I was looking for a point :)

 

Edit: Against my better judgement and salty disposition, I gave clammboy a +1 just to prove the OP wrong …

I wanted to make a counterpoint, even though I know it's pointless :)

         

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10 minutes ago, Commander_367 said:

I actually read the entire thing … I was looking for a point :)

I only got through half of it .... I was also looking for a point :)

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"As WoWS goes on, friendliness goes down."

Welcome to online gaming. You must be new here.

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Never learned about divnisioning, though there are a few I’ve done such with with some slight regularity.

Effectively a solo player.

20k+ games, and the number of division games is possibly less than 1/8th, or even 1/16th of a single percentage point of that.

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3 hours ago, Vaffu said:

You probably should learn to condense your thoughts.

I stopped reading after the second sentence as will many others.

You should probably learn to not quote entire entries you don’t read. 

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2 hours ago, Lert said:

"As WoWS goes on, friendliness goes down."

Welcome to online gaming. You must be new here.

Or, at some point recently, the OP crossed some "threshold of tolerance" and realized that "resistance is futile...." 

That negativity deepens as a game matures into "us" and "them"........  Without a real purpose, few cooperative games can survive and grow.  Alas, we are a Brown Ocean of growing separation anxiety, negative fantasies and yearn for all that was perceived to be better at game start.   Now, that could be an illusion as well.....  And, it seems we are a paradox, conceived with a lie, surrounded by a fog of discontent and devoid of a future..........yep, typical video game.....!

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5 hours ago, Vaffu said:

You probably should learn to condense your thoughts.

I stopped reading after the second sentence as will many others.

So, all future posts should be in cartoon format for the benefit of the literacy challenged?

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13 minutes ago, Doombeagle said:

So, all future posts should be in cartoon format for the benefit of the literacy challenged?

DoomBeagle you are so 1970's.... Nowadays you communicate in emojis so you can express your feelings and be unique, just like everyone else.................... 

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4 hours ago, Lert said:

"As WoWS goes on, friendliness goes down."

Welcome to online gaming. You must be new here.

Really depends on the game I think. I haven't played it in some time but both Guild Wars 2 and SWTOR had almost borderline obnoxiously friendly communities. You'd ask for help in chat and atleast 15-20 people would all respond. In GW2 someone would ask for help taking on specific mob and again a group of like 30 people would come running out of nowhere.

 

In Elite Dangerous there is group called the fuel rats who will travel to where ever you are and refuel your ship as well. So it's more like online gaming represents to duality of human nature as a whole quite well.

 

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41 minutes ago, Doombeagle said:

So, all future posts should be in cartoon format for the benefit of the literacy challenged?

No. They should be interesting if you want someone to read a wall of text.

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31 minutes ago, Vaffu said:

No. They should be interesting if you want someone to read a wall of text.

 

Tl;dr

 

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48 minutes ago, Vaffu said:

No. They should be interesting if you want someone to read a wall of text.

And how would you know this, since you didn't read it?

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2 hours ago, Doombeagle said:

And how would you know this, since you didn't read it?

If it was interesting I would have read it...

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