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You have completely screwed up a whole section of the game by buffing AA and debuffing the [edited] out of the CV experience. Absolute garbage.

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15 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Send your compliments about the CV experience to Ichase...

Why bother iChase? 0.8.0 isn’t his fault.

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18 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Why bother iChase? 0.8.0 isn’t his fault.

But 0.8.0.1 (which took away the F function from the CV)

AND

The recent patch in where he advocated the HOSHO nerfs...

The noted above is his fault...

And because of bad changes he successfully advocated, we're in an endless cycle of buffs and nerfs (what the OP pointed out).

Patch 0.8.0 was at least fair for all... Current patch version of the CV, have AA and DMG dealt proportion issues.

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29 minutes ago, Asian_Rocket_Man said:

You have completely screwed up a whole section of the game by buffing AA and debuffing the crap out of the CV experience. Absolute garbage.

Then there are players like me who think that WoWs totally screwed up by bringing CVs into the game. Absolute garbage. And then they spent 4 years torturing everyone with one screwed up patch after another saying "THIS TIME THEY'RE FIXED!" News flash, they weren't. And they still aren't, so oh well, deal with it, cuz some of us have been since the beginning.

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10 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Patch 0.8.0 was at least fair for all... Current patch version of the CV, have AA and DMG dealt proportional issues.

Again; not his fault.

RTS was settled, if flawed, mechanics.

It’s entirely WG’s fault for reinventing the wheel instead of making changes within the settled mechanics.

9 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Then there are players like me who think that WoWs totally screwed up by bringing CVs into the game. Absolute garbage. And then they spent 4 years torturing everyone with one screwed up patch after another saying "THIS TIME THEY'RE FIXED!" News flash, they weren't. And they still aren't, so oh well, deal with it, cuz some of us have been since the beginning.

Not quite as anti-carrier as you Umi; but not too far from it either.

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15 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

But 0.8.0.1 (which took away the F function from the CV)

AND

The recent patch in where he advocated the HOSHO nerfs...

The noted above is his fault...

And because of bad changes he successfully advocated, we're in an endless cycle of buffs and nerfs (what the OP pointed out).

Patch 0.8.0 was at least fair for all... Current patch version of the CV, have AA and DMG dealt proportion issues.

I ran into him a few days ago seal clubbing in the Hosho along with 2 other division mates in Nickolai's. It was really disappointing to see that.

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1 minute ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Again; not his fault.

It is his (ichase) fault when he advocated successfully for the removal of the F function in patch 0.8.0.1

Patch 0.8.0 was good..

Since then, from 0.8.0.1 to current...

  • AA will not be fair compared to  patch 0.8.0
  • Because of AA not being proportional/fair
    • Their DMG potential were nerfed as well

No matter what WG does from here on out... With the removal of the vital F function that balanced AA, the CV class will be in an endless cycle  of buffs and nerfs...

Prophet you cant rewrite the DMG he cause for being successful at advocating detrimental changes to the game as he has,..

Some love the changes... Others like the OP, hate it like the plague.

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22 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

But 0.8.0.1 (which took away the F function from the CV)

AND

The recent patch in where he advocated the HOSHO nerfs...

The noted above is his fault...

And because of bad changes he successfully advocated, we're in an endless cycle of buffs and nerfs (what the OP pointed out).

Patch 0.8.0 was at least fair for all... Current patch version of the CV, have AA and DMG dealt proportion issues.

How do you know the devs paid any attention to what he said? They want a certain damage quota out of CVs, and that is what they shoot for. The player experience doesn't matter, obviously! Further, the devs don't care about any tier under T8.

The Hosho nerf probably occurred for reasons that had nothing to do with iChase. If you think it was iChase, give the evidence.

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7 minutes ago, Dr_Citadel said:

I ran into him a few days ago seal clubbing in the Hosho along with 2 other division mates in Nickolai's. It was really disappointing to see that.

I guess the only way to run the HOSHO now is with a OP ship as a DIV mate... That is a shame...

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1 minute ago, Taichunger said:

How do you know the devs paid any attention to what he said?

The DEVs said it was his propaganda video that prompted them to make a hot patch... Its in the EU podcast...

So yes they did, they're accomplices to the current bad state of the CV class.

0.8 series patch have been

  • Nerfs to CV
  • Nerfs to CV ordnance
  • Nerf to CVs AA (the vital F function)
    • Because of this, AA will forever be broken.
    • DAMG will be disporportionate.

I would say IMO the 0.8.0.1 to current patches, are the worst patches series ever in the game... Its results/failures will still be fault even when subs come to the live server..

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7 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

The DEVs said it was his propaganda video that prompted them to make a hot patch... Its in the EU podcast...

So yes they did, they're accomplices to the current bad state of the CV class.

0.8 series patch have been

  • Nerfs to CV
  • Nerfs to CV ordnance
  • Nerf to CVs AA (the vital F function)
    • Because of this, AA will forever be broken.
    • DAMG will be disporportionate.

I would say IMO the 0.8.0.1 to current patches, are the worst patches series ever in the game... Its results/failures will still be fault even when subs come to the live server..

I would have to agree with your last statement. Since the ReBork gameplay enjoyability has plummeted...

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4 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

I would say IMO the 0.8.0.1 to current patches, are the worst patches series ever in the game... Its results/failures will still be fault even when subs come to the live server..

...and therein lies our difference of opinion.

Even as someone who rightly called myself no better than average in RTS carriers; to me 0.8.0 is a burning dumpster full of summer fermented cafeteria slops.

Anything that came after that is meaningless.

I don’t even care if I have learned to use the new mechanics, the entire rework can go to hell.

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1 hour ago, Asian_Rocket_Man said:

the crap out of the CV experience. Absolute garbage.

 

4 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

I don’t even care if I have learned to use the new mechanics, the entire rework can go to hell.

Amen! Bravo! Encore! But Noooooooooooo! They wouldn't even consider just reducing the CVs devastating power, remove strafe and manual drops! They had to heap fetid putrid garbage on us and screw it over more with every update.

Even in Co op CVs are detestable and useless. 

There is no fun and engaging in them any longer.

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CV’s can rot in pixel hell as far as I’m concerned.  They have been relocated to picking off the weak or alone ships in the game like vultures, and the ones who still play them relish the gameplay like sadistic children, laughing all the while.  Buff AA till they’re unplayable.

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If you are struggling in a CV then I'd suggest you go back to Tier 4-6 CV's and re-learn the mechanics.

A good CV player avoids flak, picks the right targets, ensures ships on their team have information, assists with DOT on important targets, singles out ships from the fleet and focuses them the list goes on. CV 's are far from weak in this current state of the game, the only thing that is weak is the captain using it.

 

Now before the hate train starts, I didn't like playing RTS CV, I tested the rework, I still don't enjoy playing them, I prefer surface ships, but it does not mean that I don't pay attention to the game mechanics to know how to take every advantage I can get to counter a CV wanting to focus on my ship. Know your ship, better yet know your targets so that you can take the same advantages.

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1 hour ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Not quite as anti-carrier as you Umi; but not too far from it either.

I would be the first one to push the CV cart onto the stage and light all the candles if they could only balance the damn things. CVs COULD be great in the game. But having ships with no AA chased all over the maps, having AA that is as useless as throwing fish, and watching any CV who wants you dead be able to take you out by just coming after you time and time again is just nonsense. They have tried, and tried, and tried for 4 freakin years to get CVs right. You cannot balance air power against gun power, and the textbook definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. Does that not translate into Russian?

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1 hour ago, Mirage357 said:

If you are struggling in a CV then I'd suggest...

(snip)

....ensures ships on their team have information...

(snip)

Now before the hate train starts, I didn't like playing RTS CV, I tested the rework, I still don't enjoy playing them, I prefer surface ships, but it does not mean that I don't pay attention to the game mechanics to know how to take every advantage I can get to counter a CV wanting to focus on my ship. Know your ship, better yet know your targets so that you can take the same advantages.

Not struggling, just hate the rework.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink.

Of all the CV games I’ve played since 0.8.0, there has been just ONE, where the Greens actually doing something with the spotting I provided sticks out in my mind, (Implacable, bottom tiered in a T10 on EpiTears.)

That’s why I forced down my revulsion, beat my head against the wall for months, and learned the new mechanics.

RTS carriers never bothered me much, the carriers now don’t bother me much, the rework can still go to hell.

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well OP, seeing as the majority of the ENTIRE playerbase either disliked or didnt give half a damn about CVs, nothing of value would be lost to the game if CVs became a dead class again like they did in the RTS era, it also didnt help that WG doesnt have a good track record regarding CVs, both after the rework and before it, CVs were ALWAYS going to be like this, in a constant shift between being OP or being absolute trash, and like i said many times, this is what happens when you bring in the ship type that made the other 3 either obsolete or restricted them to escorting the carrier 

in the end, there will NEVER be balance between CVs and the other 3 surface ship types, and knowing WG, theyll just let the CVs become a dead ship type again just like they did with RTS and the playerbase will either not even notice, or notice, but not give a damn

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5 hours ago, tcbaker777 said:

well OP, seeing as the majority of the ENTIRE playerbase either disliked or didnt give half a damn about CVs, nothing of value would be lost to the game if CVs became a dead class again like they did in the RTS era, it also didnt help that WG doesnt have a good track record regarding CVs, both after the rework and before it, CVs were ALWAYS going to be like this, in a constant shift between being OP or being absolute trash, and like i said many times, this is what happens when you bring in the ship type that made the other 3 either obsolete or restricted them to escorting the carrier 

in the end, there will NEVER be balance between CVs and the other 3 surface ship types, and knowing WG, theyll just let the CVs become a dead ship type again just like they did with RTS and the playerbase will either not even notice, or notice, but not give a damn

In terms of game play, you're absolutely right.

The salient balance point for the devs isn't in the mechanics themselves. It's all about sunk-cost recovery/profitablilty in CV development versus alientation of the majority. Business before pleasure, right?

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11 hours ago, Navalpride33 said:

It is his (ichase) fault when he advocated successfully for the removal of the F function in patch 0.8.0.1

The question is.  With the current patch. Do we or do not have the F function? 

What is your point? 0.8.0.1 is many moons ago.  Your point is null and void at this time of the patch.  

 

11 hours ago, Taichunger said:

How do you know the devs paid any attention to what he said? They want a certain damage quota out of CVs, and that is what they shoot for. The player experience doesn't matter, obviously!

This is something that is evident throughout in time.  There are finite incidents where WG actually listened to the detest of the players of particular changes.  Again, a very limited instances.  Bigger picture, not so much.  It's all based upon (according to them, in their public statements) their "data".  Which is really what they only seem to base their decisions on.  Which I find lacking, ironically.

 

11 hours ago, Taichunger said:

The Hosho nerf probably occurred for reasons that had nothing to do with iChase. If you think it was iChase, give the evidence.

Agreed with what @Taichunger wrote.  Without a concrete evidence, one should not be accusing someone of solely effecting the changes on their own.

 

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CVs are a blight in this game that need to be removed. It’s amazing how much better a battle with NO CVs is compared to a match with CVs. 

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52 minutes ago, Desertfox51 said:

CVs are a blight in this game that need to be removed. It’s amazing how much better a battle with NO CVs is compared to a match with CVs. 

I agree that CV's add an exponential amount of suck to the game for the other 3 types (and I say that as an Enterprise & Ark Royal owner) but outright removal just isn't going to happen. Even if they  decided to, people aren't going to accept doubloon funny money for refunds when they spent real cash on their premiums.

Me personally, I'm perfectly happy to wallow in Co-op where I can at least deny human CV's the reward of ever scoring a single point off of me, and absent-mindedly swat a few bot planes when the opportunity arises.

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1 hour ago, Desertfox51 said:

CVs are a blight in this game that need to be removed. It’s amazing how much better a battle with NO CVs is compared to a match with CVs. 

err no, people who share your blinkered view are the blight of this game, because they refuse to accept that CV's have a place in the game and should be inconvenient to your gameplay, just as ANY other class has the capability to be inconvenient to your gameplay and how groups of ships are inconvenient to CV gameplay.

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