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Harekaze is back- worth it?

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Hey all

So Harekaze is back, a ship I was thinking about getting before- but didn't end up picking it up.

 

Just curious as to how people feel it performs with the current state of the game.

(also did it get the buff to the 100mm guns? I seem to remember someone telling me it didn't..but I have no idea)

 

Thanks!

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yes, one of my favorites - the ability to change out the guns is a great feature - one of my better purchases

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Yes totally worth it. I really liked using the Akizuki guns with the torp reload instead of smoke. Now may be worth to take smoke. Super stealthy.

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40 minutes ago, paradat said:

Yes totally worth it. I really liked using the Akizuki guns with the torp reload instead of smoke. Now may be worth to take smoke. Super stealthy.

Smoke arguably has more value nowadays with the prevalence of CVs in matches.

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Just now, Ace_04 said:

Smoke arguably has more value nowadays with the prevalence of CVs in matches.

Yeah switched back to smoke during the CV rework. Now that I am better at avoiding the planes I have gone back to the reload booster. Still can bite me when a good CV player focuses me down. Both builds are pretty great.

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3 minutes ago, paradat said:

Yeah switched back to smoke during the CV rework. Now that I am better at avoiding the planes I have gone back to the reload booster. Still can bite me when a good CV player focuses me down. Both builds are pretty great.

Any CV player worth their salt will try to find and focus you.  It's when you get the ones that may not have such a clue where you get the freedom to wreak havoc.

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Just now, Ace_04 said:

Any CV player worth their salt will try to find and focus you.  It's when you get the ones that may not have such a clue where you get the freedom to wreak havoc.

Yeah for sure. There are also still a lot of battles with No CV's.

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12 minutes ago, Ace_04 said:

Any CV player worth their salt will try to find and focus you.  It's when you get the ones that may not have such a clue where you get the freedom to wreak havoc.

Let them. The more time they waste trying to focus a destroyer WHO IS WORTH THEIR SALT, the less time they have to bother someone else.

11 minutes ago, paradat said:

Yeah for sure. There are also still a lot of battles with No CV's.

Getting to be less and less, from what I've seen; at least in mid tiers.

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$50, though!

That is a chunk of change for a single destroyer.  With almost 200 ships in port, I just don't see one more being worth $50.

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she's worth it.  The single most versatile DD in the game in my opinion.  Close escort, AA escort Hunter Killer, scout.  she can do it all.  And that's even with the CV meta changes.  If  CV want's you, he's gonna get ya more often then not, but he's going to have to send usually at least 2 attacks your way to take you out and as is noted if he's focused on you he's not focused on someone else.. and he's a fool.  He's going after you because he can get you.. not because he should.

She a fine ship.. smoke or no smoke, lowest concealment in the tier with module and commander skill.. radar is an issue but it's an issue in any DD. short torpedo range can be a pain and it does force you to take risks if your going to use them.  Small target and more agile and faster then Akizuki.  I highly recommend running RPF so you know where the opposing DD's are in relation to you and give your self time to either set up your ambush or run away.  Her itty bitty HP pool can disappear quickly but she is one of those that if she has one HP left she dangerous.  What more can you ask?

Oh. and a last is a lot of player discount her and are contemptuous of the little boat.  Their mistake.   *grin*

Watch your distances carefully and always have an exit strategy.   Played well you need not fear any other DD in the game.  Quite the opposite.   I run her no smoke myself harsh experience has taught me that smoke gets turned into a trap more often then not.  The only real use for smok for her is cover from aircraft.  If your looking to tie up the CV air its a way of doing it.  You can kite a CV player strike for many minutes if your careful.  He will get you eventually but his aircraft can only be one place at a time.. and if he drops fighters you'll hose 'em right outta the sky.

 

Even with all the competition out there since she was first introduced 2 plus years ago she holds up.

So yea. if your a DD driver totally worth getting!

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Oh yea... just took it out for a for a spin around a block or two and with the 100mm guns  it is awesome....   now I see why the clamor for it . 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Ace_04 said:

Any CV player worth their salt will try to find and focus you.  It's when you get the ones that may not have such a clue where you get the freedom to wreak havoc.

Yeah had a Harekaze battle recently where a CV stripped away a lot of my a Harekaze’s HP, but during the time they had to launch fresh planes from their CV I had slipped deep into enemy side of the map instead of running back to my team mates. CV planes when back to where I had been and started doing search pattern fanning out into my team’s side of the map, but never found me. Which was massive mistake to leave my barely alive DD equipped with Adrenaline Rush, and their team paid horrifically both in HP and ships sunk because of the mistakes made by their CV. Nothing more deadly then a stealthy torpedo boat DD that was left barely alive early in a battle, because it can launch 80-100+ torpedoes if battle goes on long enough. And with torpedoes launched numbers like those as long as the torp launches are fairly well done, your going to score hits as nobody can avoid good torpedo spreads indefinitely.

Now if a CV is smart and has lost a stealth torpedo boat DD, they will know to search 360° area from the last known DD position and do so quickly as a torpedo boat always has to get mid range or close range to targets to do their jobs, only a small handful of DDs that can mount 16 or 20km torpedoes can in theory afford to stay farther back from their targets.

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1 hour ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

Now if a CV is smart and has lost a stealth torpedo boat DD, they will know to search 360° area from the last known DD position and do so quickly as a torpedo boat always has to get mid range or close range to targets to do their jobs, only a small handful of DDs that can mount 16 or 20km torpedoes can in theory afford to stay farther back from their targets.

You nailed it.  Most players consider Shimakaze to be the punching bag of T10 DDs, but if you're a CV in a match and lose sight of one for a prolonged period of time, it can cause real havoc.  Even worse if there are no CVs and/or radar cruisers left to help out.

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Harekaze gets a lot of praise, and it is well deserved. Keep in mind though this does not mean she is powerful in the way recent, OP premiums are. 

IMO she is the definition of balance. She's okay at everything, not the best at anything (except concealment). Her power does not come from her individual stats, but from her ability to switch between multiple roles with a flexibility rivaling or even surpassing USN DDs. 

For people on the fence about forking over $50 for some animated pixels, I'd say don't if DDs are not your thing. This ship is not forgiving with its worst in tier HP and small gun range. There's a reason why its average stats are basically rock bottom of T8 DDs in NA. However, smart players who can maximize Harekaze's flexibilty will have a blast. She does nothing spectacularly well, but she is not lacking in anything either (except HP). For people looking for a DD that's fun, challenging, and versatile, I'd say Harekaze is a worthy investment. She's a great IJN trainer too. Oh, and she can train the German HSF girls as well. Wow.

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On 11/8/2019 at 12:40 PM, desmo_2 said:

$50, though!

That is a chunk of change for a single destroyer.  With almost 200 ships in port, I just don't see one more being worth $50.

That is what I am struggling with.  I'm not into the "HSF" part, I wish she was available for standard T8 DD pricing <$40 with just the type 10 camo and no special commander.  Like the Graf Spee.

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On 11/9/2019 at 3:24 PM, Warped_1 said:

That is what I am struggling with.  I'm not into the "HSF" part, I wish she was available for standard T8 DD pricing <$40 with just the type 10 camo and no special commander.  Like the Graf Spee.

I agree. Your was/were typo nicely summarizes my experience: I'd buy her if she were available for standard price now. She was available at that price last time. The price increase put me right off, especially once I realized that Lo Yang offers me similar value.

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2 hours ago, imaginary_b said:

I agree. Your was/were typo nicely summarizes my experience: I'd buy her if she were available for standard price now. She was available at that price last time. The price increase put me right off, especially once I realized that Lo Yang offers me similar value.

Yeah, price is steep, but for all the extras you get (even if you don't want them), Harekaze is a good value in WG economy terms. 

1. She is a lot less situational than Loyang. Better guns, better torps, better concealment. She is not as nimble as a Benson Class, but not having to rely on a hydro gimmick and instead pure damage is a plus in my book. Don't get me wrong, I love my Loyang, but there are some games I can't make even a single hydro charge useful just because of the way things play out. 

2. Harekaze is a really flexible IJN/KMS trainer. KMS? Yes, if you have one of the German HSF commamders. But back to the ship, hybrid = able to make do with a variety of captain builds. Good for any DD playstyle, and also decent as a cruiser trainer imo.

3. 2 permacamos for different priorities. Tbh I drown in 100+ limited camos, but free camos are always nice. The Isoroku (cat) camo makes my eyes bleed but it's useful.

4. 10pt IJN captain. Ignoring the static pixels look like a anime girl, another 10pt captain to train is always nice.

 

It's your money, but I'm just putting out there that I feel Harekaze was a better purchase to me who uses IJN DDs a lot. I love Loyang, it was worth the cost, but Harekaze rerun moreso imo.

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Harekaze is my favorite at tier 8. I like the Kagero, so it was an extension of that.

It is fun to play with different captain builds. 

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lemmie toss this in also..

Pulled this off earlier today in My Harekaze

https://replayswows.com/replay/69609#stats

I wish all my matches went as well as this one..  other then mis keying and torping that innocent island near the end.

But the replay does showcase whats she's good at.  which is well, everything...Great at nothing, good at everything.

 

 

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I ignored it the first time it came out because I was awful at IJN torp boats early in my career.  I just bought it and set it up with Smoke, and Aki guns.  Great early spotting, quick normal torp reload and if you have a second ship spotting near you, you can drop smoke and gun down ships.  4 matches, 4 wins, 4k PR.  Last match dev struck a Benson and an Soba hiding in smoke for a double strike, then gunned down a 3/4 health Atago as he dodged my torps and couldn't rotate his guns back on me.  10/10 for fun and effectiveness.

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Don't let the God Tier 5.4 detection range fool you.  You play a lot of Tier X matches and it can be tough to get in close for a "sure" torp run early on. I run the Akizuki guns and all the Captain perks to keep you floating as there's not much health.  It may be a slightly better gun boat than torper early on and will send any DD in range scurrying for the nearest exit.  It hates Focus Fire.  Love the boat but you've got to be on your toes.

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On 11/8/2019 at 6:32 PM, Ace_04 said:

You nailed it.  Most players consider Shimakaze to be the punching bag of T10 DDs, but if you're a CV in a match and lose sight of one for a prolonged period of time, it can cause real havoc.  Even worse if there are no CVs and/or radar cruisers left to help out.

I actually have gone up against radar CAs that were on opposite outer side of a cap zone both teams were fighting over. I moved in for torpedo run after cautiously slipping into radar range to see if radar was up. Radar was not up and had formidable torpedo spread heading into their broadsides And was just about out of radar range when radar activated thanks to torpedoes getting detected. Their team lost their radar CAs and had the rest of their team lecturing them in global chat on how they let a Kagero class DD kill their Radar CAs that should haven more than capable of either defending / preventing my pulling off such an attack if not outright blowing me out of the water. So yeah you usually want to be concerned if a stealthy torpedo has been unaccounted for and doubly so if your spotted even if the spotting is likely from other nearby ships you are fighting as I often will mask my attacks by letting enemy think other ships have them spotted and not my DD moving in to attack them that has them spotted.

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On 11/11/2019 at 2:03 PM, Ensign_Pulver_2016 said:

Harekaze is my favorite at tier 8. I like the Kagero, so it was an extension of that.

It is fun to play with different captain builds. 

Yeah if a player can use and enjoy using a Kagero, then I can guarantee they will like Harekaze.

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