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What ammo type should Italian Cruisers use?

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Alberto di Guissano (T4) and Raimondo Montecuccoli (T5) have 152 mm. Trento (T6) up have 203 mm. 

When should (if it matters, tech-tree) Italian cruisers use AP?

When should tech-tree Italian cruisers use SAP?

With AP, is it the standard aim at waterline?

With SAP, are there particular areas to aim (e.g. superstructure)?

Any other tips?

Thanks for any insight into Italian cruisers!

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Use AP versus angled destroyers and enemies that are roughly broadside whose armor you can pen, aiming as you would with other ships. You want to use SAP mostly on angled targets, aim for the superstructure or the belt of ships that have a citadel butting against the outer hull.

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Your main ammo should be SAP, as it has a much easier time dealing damage against your average target.

AP is the ammo you should use when:
1. You have a broadside cruiser where it is basically guaranteed that you'll land citadels (Kuma, Omaha, Emerald, etc)
2. You have a broadside battleship with too much distributed armor for your SAP to penetrate (Gangut, Kaiser, Fusou, etc)

With AP you want to aim for the citadel (obviously) when firing at the target 1, and upper or fore belt when firing at 2.

SAP you aim at the softer parts, so avoid the main belt at all costs, go for bow and stern sections or if it is unarmored, the upper belt. You will have to look into armor schemes to know where to aim for each individual ship. A super situational, yet interesting thing arises when you fire against a Pytor from long range. Aim for the space between the number 3 and 4 turret, as the citadel deck with only 38mm thickness is exposed there. Not sure if your 152mm SAP will penetrate that, but once you get them the 203mm SAP will do so with ease.

Whenever you get the chance, fire at destroyers. The Alpha damage of an SAP salvo can not be underestimated against such a thinly armored and low hitpointish target.

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4 minutes ago, Landsraad said:

Use AP versus angled destroyers and enemies that are roughly broadside whose armor you can pen, aiming as you would with other ships. You want to use SAP mostly on angled targets, aim for the superstructure or the belt of ships that have a citadel butting against the outer hull.

Thanks!

"or the belt of ships that have a citadel butting against the outer hull." What is this trying to accomplish? Citadel the ship?

How many ships qualify for this category (approximately)?

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1 minute ago, SireneRacker said:

Your main ammo should be SAP, as it has a much easier time dealing damage against your average target.

AP is the ammo you should use when:
1. You have a broadside cruiser where it is basically guaranteed that you'll land citadels (Kuma, Omaha, Emerald, etc)
2. You have a broadside battleship with too much distributed armor for your SAP to penetrate (Gangut, Kaiser, Fusou, etc)

With AP you want to aim for the citadel (obviously) when firing at the target 1, and upper or fore belt when firing at 2.

SAP you aim at the softer parts, so avoid the main belt at all costs, go for bow and stern sections or if it is unarmored, the upper belt. You will have to look into armor schemes to know where to aim for each individual ship. A super situational, yet interesting thing arises when you fire against a Pytor from long range. Aim for the space between the number 3 and 4 turret, as the citadel deck with only 38mm thickness is exposed there. Not sure if your 152mm SAP will penetrate that, but once you get them the 203mm SAP will do so with ease.

Whenever you get the chance, fire at destroyers. The Alpha damage of an SAP salvo can not be underestimated against such a thinly armored and low hitpointish target.

Thanks for the detail! I will try it out. I don't think 1 is the case very much?

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9 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

"or the belt of ships that have a citadel butting against the outer hull." What is this trying to accomplish? Citadel the ship?

How many ships qualify for this category (approximately)?

Not many, so you're better off aiming for soft spots most of the time. BUT if you can get good belt hits on a squishy ship where their belt is also the citadel armor, then you can get citadel hits even at pretty sharp angles.

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4 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Thanks for the detail! I will try it out. I don't think 1 is the case very much?

Depends, with Giussano your chances are decent since you are in that T3-5 bracket. Plenty of fragile ships are in there, including yourself. To list the floating citadels that come to mind: Tenryuu, Kuma, Furutaka (only if really broadside), Königsberg, Svietlana (if it really is broadside), Kirov, the full bracket of RN CLs, Phoenix, Omaha and her sisters.

But with Montecuccoli it gets difficult, since against T6 and 7 the window of opportunity for her AP shrinks down drastically as both the protection and the average combat range increases.

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Only shoot AP when you can citadel or cannot penetrate with SAP. When you can citadel or the BB has Soviet/German upper belt armour = AP.

Otherwise SAP.

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3 hours ago, henrychenhenry said:

Alberto di Guissano (T4) and Raimondo Montecuccoli (T5) have 152 mm. Trento (T6) up have 203 mm. 

When should (if it matters, tech-tree) Italian cruisers use AP?

When should tech-tree Italian cruisers use SAP?

With AP, is it the standard aim at waterline?

With SAP, are there particular areas to aim (e.g. superstructure)?

Any other tips?

Thanks for any insight into Italian cruisers!

Shells that can actually do damage unfortunately they are reserved for STRONK Russian ships COMRADE. 

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I generally almost exclusively use SAP. With the long reload times, most ships feel like they have already turned or angled against you or another ship before you can use it to full effect.

SAP is great for hitting bows, sterns, and super structures and give you some really nice numbers at times.

I believe the key to doing well in the Italian cruisers is just staying alive. Yes, that applies to all ships, but you cant set 6 fires on different enemies and farm thag damage after you die. Yoi just collect chunks of damage.

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Thanks for the tips, @Landsraad, @SireneRacker, @NeoRussia, and @Skuggsja!

I will try them out.

10 hours ago, SireneRacker said:

Depends, with Giussano your chances are decent since you are in that T3-5 bracket. Plenty of fragile ships are in there, including yourself. To list the floating citadels that come to mind: Tenryuu, Kuma, Furutaka (only if really broadside), Königsberg, Svietlana (if it really is broadside), Kirov, the full bracket of RN CLs, Phoenix, Omaha and her sisters.

But with Montecuccoli it gets difficult, since against T6 and 7 the window of opportunity for her AP shrinks down drastically as both the protection and the average combat range increases.

What about for T6+? Is it basically AP broadside cruisers? SAP all else?

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17 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

What about for T6+? Is it basically AP broadside cruisers? SAP all else?

Basically the same as for the T4 and 5, except you will see a lot less opportunities regarding guaranteed citadel shots against cruisers. But a good number of BBs will still have distributed armor schemes, and AP can prove lethal there.

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18 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

I will try them out

Another suggestion, if you're not already, is run the spotter plane. As you know your range is limited to begin with but having thag elevated angle gives me some of the best superstructure hits on BBs I've ever gotten.

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