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It's so soon, that it's already out on SEA.

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and no, I don't think it's worth it, especially considering how Italian SAP absolutely wrecks lower tier IJN cruisers, due to the armor scheme.

 

oh, and here is the "relative price" comparison point, due to currency and exchange rate.

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30 minutes ago, MrDeaf said:

It's so soon, that it's already out on SEA.

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and no, I don't think it's worth it, especially considering how Italian SAP absolutely wrecks lower tier IJN cruisers, due to the armor scheme.

 

oh, and here is the "relative price" comparison point, due to currency and exchange rate.

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I'll be buying her once I get my paycheck

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Assuming that nothing changed since her getting the speed boost, my opinion on her didn't change. What I wanted to see was a Yuubari-like ship, where the low shell output would be compensated by having access to ASM0. A speed boost and slightly less mediocre AP (which I never even touched during playing her, because with that output you'd need something on a much higher level to justify the usage) did not offset the disadvantages she had during testing. The Work-in-Progress version was just not fun for me.

But I guess WG disagrees, so I'll stick to Königsberg, which was not just a superior ship in reality, but also is one in-game.

 

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Yahagi is only for hardcore IJN fans because the ship itself isn't that grand.  Yahagi was one of the escorts that went with Yamato to her doom in April 1945 on her suicide run towards Okinawa.

The guns suck, the AA sucks, the armor likely is going to suck also.  The torpedoes look interesting but you don't have enough of them and their reload is slow.  She sucks and does nothing to change my mind how Tier V Cruisers in general is a bad place to stay in.

 

Fun history:  Historically IJN CLs were terribly armed except in torpedoes.

Long ago we'd dream up a theoretical IJN CL Split, but it wouldn't go very far at all with the historical ships.  For me they'd get no further than Tier V.  And WG thought so also, because Agano-class which Yahagi was from, was the newest, most powerful CL class the IJN ever brought into service and it's only Tier V material.  The class hit in  1942 and Yahagi arrived in December 1943.  And she was already very weak compared to the Cleveland-class Light Cruisers that the USN began to commission just before Agano-class entered service.

 

While you can ridicule IJN CLs for their gun power, their CAs OTOH were overflowing with weapons.  The Myoko-class CAs were mid 1920s design and they were monsters.

 

 

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I can't help but wonder whether Yahagi could be better as a tier IV with few adjustments, with Oyodo taking her spot at tier V. Still, pretty questionable why WG would release the ship after so much time and seemingly without any changes at all.

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1 minute ago, warheart1992 said:

I can't help but wonder whether Yahagi could be better as a tier IV with few adjustments, with Oyodo taking her spot at tier V. Still, pretty questionable why WG would release the ship after so much time and seemingly without any changes at all.

Oyodo is even worse than Agano-class.  Oyodo had only 155mm x6 guns.  Nothing special to them.

 

Notice I didn't say anything about torpedoes.  Because Oyodo didn't have any.  A CL with only 6 guns, no torps, entering service as late as early 1943.  She's terrible.  Meanwhile the US Navy will start commissioning Cleveland-class in 1943.

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6 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Oyodo is even worse than Agano-class.  Oyodo had only 155mm x6 guns.  Nothing special to them.

 

Notice I didn't say anything about torpedoes.  Because Oyodo didn't have any.  A CL with only 6 guns, no torps, entering service as late as early 1943.  She's terrible.  Meanwhile the US Navy will start commissioning Cleveland-class in 1943.

Thing is Oyodo had the same 155mm guns as the early Mogami, meaning with a reasonable fire rate she could turn out quite decent at tier V. In addition to a strong AA suite, I could picture her ingame. And yes, at that point makes you wonder why the Japanese kept launching these ships, when they were already that obsolete.

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I might buy it with a 30% discount coupon. Over $20 is too much for me.

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

And she was already very weak compared to the Cleveland-class Light Cruisers that the USN began to commission just before Agano-class entered service.

While in Agano's defense the Clevelands were noticably heavier, I personally prefer to compare the Agano class to the Königsberg class, with focus being on the retrofitted Karlsruhe. While comparing an early 40s class with a class from the late 20s might seem unfair, it will turn out to be unfair towards the more modern ship. From Karlsruhe's PoV she has:

+ better armor, in particular the twice as thick magazine deck and the added 10-16mm homogeneous armor around the midsection that were added are to note
+ more guns that fire better shells at a higher RoF
+ significantly better AA equipment, although her loss in 1941 prevented the addition of the AA guns that her sistership received in 1944, though what Köln got outstripped the Agano class' light and medium AA suite by a good margin
+ a greater cruising range, although at lower speed
- weaker torpedo armament (although less prone to violent explosion)
- is 3-4kn slower

on a ship that is only 78 tons heavier at standard load, or even 184 tons lighter when fully loaded. Not looking good for Agano, not looking good at all :Smile_teethhappy:

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5 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

While in Agano's defense the Clevelands were noticably heavier, I personally prefer to compare the Agano class to the Königsberg class, with focus being on the retrofitted Karlsruhe. While comparing an early 40s class with a class from the late 20s might seem unfair, it will turn out to be unfair towards the more modern ship. From Karlsruhe's PoV she has:

+ better armor, in particular the twice as thick magazine deck and the added 10-16mm homogeneous armor around the midsection that were added are to note
+ more guns that fire better shells at a higher RoF
+ significantly better AA equipment, although her loss in 1941 prevented the addition of the AA guns that her sistership received in 1944, though what Köln got outstripped the Agano class' light and medium AA suite by a good margin
+ a greater cruising range, although at lower speed
- weaker torpedo armament (although less prone to violent explosion)
- is 3-4kn slower

on a ship that is only 78 tons heavier at standard load, or even 184 tons lighter when fully loaded. Not looking good for Agano, not looking good at all :Smile_teethhappy:

Yeah, when you look at what the IJN was doing in how they treated their CLs and CAs, one set was the clear favorites in terms of treatment and attention.  Most of the IJN CLs that served in WWII were derivatives of Kuma-class.  Then you look at Myoko-class CAs of the 1920s, it's just laughable!

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€14.15 on EU, must be around $15-16 

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33 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

Thing is Oyodo had the same 155mm guns as the early Mogami, meaning with a reasonable fire rate she could turn out quite decent at tier V. In addition to a strong AA suite, I could picture her ingame. And yes, at that point makes you wonder why the Japanese kept launching these ships, when they were already that obsolete.

Designing CLs seems like it was an afterthought to the Japanese compared to dreaming up the next DDs/CAs/BBs. I also don't think they had a capable intermediate gun between the 127mm found on their best destroyers and the 203mm found on virtually all of their CAs.

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59 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

Thing is Oyodo had the same 155mm guns as the early Mogami, meaning with a reasonable fire rate she could turn out quite decent at tier V. In addition to a strong AA suite, I could picture her ingame. And yes, at that point makes you wonder why the Japanese kept launching these ships, when they were already that obsolete.

because Ooyodo was more like a command/scout ship.

The idea is similar to the Cromwell Command.

And no, it wasn't "kept churning out", it's more like "one off special purpose, using recycled 155mm turrets"

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10 minutes ago, Flashtirade said:

I also don't think they had a capable intermediate gun between the 127mm found on their best destroyers and the 203mm found on virtually all of their CAs.

The 155mm gun was fairly decent by itself. Good ballistics, a bit slow on the reload but then again in most cases RoF for cruisers was a theoretical value and doesn't seem to have been plagued by the dispersion issues. Only the AP shell design could've used some love as it lacked an armored cap and the general issue with IJN cruiser turrets, other than that, nothing really wrong with it.

An Ooyodo-like design but with a third turret instead of the aircrat facilities would've been a decent ship for its tonnage.

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4 hours ago, MrDeaf said:

It's so soon, that it's already out on SEA.

 

It's already here. It literally appeared in the premium shop between the front page of said shop and me clicking on "ships" less than a minute ago.

You might want to amend your post title! 

EDIT: Ninja'd by the OP!

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2 hours ago, Erebthoron said:

€14.15 on EU, must be around $15-16 

It's $17.20 in the shop now.

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2 hours ago, Erebthoron said:

€14.15 on EU, must be around $15-16 

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4 hours ago, SireneRacker said:

The 155mm gun was fairly decent by itself. Good ballistics, a bit slow on the reload but then again in most cases RoF for cruisers was a theoretical value and doesn't seem to have been plagued by the dispersion issues. Only the AP shell design could've used some love as it lacked an armored cap and the general issue with IJN cruiser turrets, other than that, nothing really wrong with it.

An Ooyodo-like design but with a third turret instead of the aircrat facilities would've been a decent ship for its tonnage.

There's a whole blurb that I kept rewriting and deleting, before scrapping that part of the post and just going with the first few sentences. The jist of it is that I don't think the 155mm gun was truly integrated into Japanese warship design as primary like the 127mm and 203mm guns were. After the whole Yamato-smash-BBs thing didn't work out (causing them to remove some 155s in place of more AA guns) and all the CAs had been refitted with 203s, I imagine they just had a bunch of these laying around not being used by anything. Ooyodo (and the rest of her class, should they have been built) implemented them but only for self-defense as she was a command ship first, and the rest were turned into coastal guns.

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looking at it speed is good 36.8 knots. with 5,8 rudder shift

9.9km conceal with concealment expert and ship camo

60 knot torps with 12 km range, the torps are central so they can turn so you can fire 2 sets of 4 that do 17.2k damage each, so you dont have to turn to fire 8 torps 108 second reload with torp reload cpt perk, that said bad torp angles cuz located centrally

guns 152mm guns with 2x3  of em that have 14.9km range 9 second reload, with 13 percent fire with IHFE and DE, may want expertmarksman cuz the turrets turn slow 26 secondish

hp 25kish

 

changes they increase torp range dropped the torp speed and damage.  they dropped the gun reload by 1 second to 9.

 

Would have been nice if they put 139mm guns on it so you can increase range with aft.

end of day its not great but its not bad, its IJN cruiser with torpedo gimmick of double launce  4 sets of torps from 1 side.

 

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low tier cruiser or any cruiser unless ya high tier russian cruiser, you are gonna be staying at range and kiting, you dont wanna be up front in it or you get deleted.

has speed and good conceal and some range so you are gonna be kiting in it, and shooting your torps once in a while hoping to get lucky.  end game island ambush yolo torp can delete ships with 2 sets coming in for the 17k dmage potential each if they hit.

 

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