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Ever since the CV rework arrived, we no longer have the odd tier CV's, and WG has stated that they might return as an alternate CV lines on even tiers... someday... maybe... possibly... and hopefully. LOL. :Smile_hiding:

Nevertheless, the description of Tier VII Operation still shows the CV icon as a possible ship type to play in, since it hasn't been updated. 

At first, I was going to ask if WG should allow Tier VI CV's into Tier VII Operation... but Tier VI CV's already have Tiet VI Operations to play in, so IMHO, I think it would be only fair to let Tier VIII CV's to enter the Tier VII Operation.

As it stands now, the only Tier VII Operation we have left is Narai. Still, I believe having a CV could be a boon for the team. When playing with bunch of random people, how often do we see our team not doing the objectives properly, or too many chase after one objective only to let the transports suffer? I think that the CV's, with their fast planes, would be able to provide a quick reaonse that can hastily react to how the team go about doing the mission, thereby covering for certain shortcomings... sometimes anyway.

In case anyone thinks that having Tier VIII CV's in Tier VII Operation might seem too stronk, I would like to remind that we already a Tier Vi Operation where a Tier VI CV is fighting against Tier II and III ships with barely, if any, AA at all. At least for Narai, AFAIK, the kind of ships that the bots get aren't exactly short of AA. If the aforementioned Tier VI Operation is just acceptable, then this should be okay as well, IMO. Plus, CV's are no longer the nuking death machines of the old RTS days with high alpha's and cross drops. IIRC, the reworked CV's have the overall damage output that is more or less in line with other ship types... or so I heard. Please don't quote me on that, thank you. :Smile_hiding:

Additionally, this might help those who are... weary (so to speak) to play their Tier VIII CV's in other modes, due to whatever reasons. Operations last long enough and have plenty of targets to go after, on top of having no human beings on the enemy team, so the reworked version of CV's should be able to contribute quite well... when played well, that is. LEL. :Smile_hiding:

So there you have it. Should WG allow Tier VIII CV's into Tier VII Operation? I personally say... yes. :fish_cute_2:

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3 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Ever since the CV rework arrived, we no longer have the odd tier CV's, and WG has stated that they might return as an alternate CV lines on even tiers... someday... maybe... possibly... and hopefully. LOL. :Smile_hiding:

Nevertheless, the description of Tier VII Operation still shows the CV icon as a possible ship type to play in, since it hasn't been updated. 

At first, I was going to ask if WG should allow Tier VI CV's into Tier VII Operation... but Tier VI CV's already have Tiet VI Operations to play in, so IMHO, I think it would be only fair to let Tier VIII CV's to enter the Tier VII Operation.

As it stands now, the only Tier VII Operation we have left is Narai. Still, I believe having a CV could be a boon for the team. When playing with bunch of random people, how often do we see our team not doing the objectives properly, or too many chase after one objective only to let the transports suffer? I think that the CV's, with their fast planes, would be able to provide a quick reaonse that can hastily react to how the team go about doing the mission, thereby covering for certain shortcomings... sometimes anyway.

In case anyone thinks that having Tier VIII CV's in Tier VII Operation might seem too stronk, I would like to remind that we already a Tier Vi Operation where a Tier VI CV is fighting against Tier II and III ships with barely, if any, AA at all. At least for Narai, AFAIK, the kind of ships that the bots get aren't exactly short of AA. If the aforementioned Tier VI Operation is just acceptable, then this should be okay as well, IMO. Plus, CV's are no longer the nuking death machines of the old RTS days with high alpha's and cross drops. IIRC, the reworked CV's have the overall damage output that is more or less in line with other ship types... or so I heard. Please don't quote me on that, thank you. :Smile_hiding:

Additionally, this might help those who are... weary (so to speak) to play their Tier VIII CV's in other modes, due to whatever reasons. Operations last long enough and have plenty of targets to go after, on top of having no human beings on the enemy team, so the reworked version of CV's should be able to contribute quite well... when played well, that is. LEL. :Smile_hiding:

So there you have it. Should WG allow Tier VIII CV's into Tier VII Operation? I personally say... yes. :fish_cute_2:

My 2 doubloons. 

 

They said that they don't plan on adding the uneven CVs for now but what about premiums? it's WG afterall and they probably want to completely milk the CV cow before start milking submarines (probably for Xmas).

Also... Good waifu taste, although Roon is just better IMHWO (In My Honest Weeb Opinion) 

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1 minute ago, XurMP said:

They said that they don't plan on adding the uneven CVs for now but what about premiums? it's WG afterall and they probably want to completely milk the CV cow before start milking submarines (probably for Xmas).

Also... Good waifu taste, although Roon is just better IMHWO (In My Honest Weeb Opinion) 

They're done with CVs.  They're moving onto Submarines now, but that's my gut feeling.  They'll push out Indomitable in whatever state she's in, make some money.  She's been a WiP ship for ages now.  But the future is in Submarine development for the game and Carriers are going to get kicked to the curbside.  So no odd tier CVs, no Hiryu, Bogue, no return of Independence.  Tier VII Saipan and Kaga can't exist anymore, not when they're Tier VIIIs.

 

WG can't even be bothered to re-enable old ops Ultimate Frontier, Cherry Blossom, Hermes, so I doubt more will be done for Operations.  They've even gone out and said they're not working on ops anymore (other than the upcoming Halloween stuff), just stuff for the PVP side of the house.

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Sure, why not.

Many players but high blues and purples have a hard time making the rework CVs really dangerous anyway.

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No, Narai is currently the one op where the cv driver can't spook every bot with air dropped torps and screw things up for the other players. Let's keep it that way.

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17 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

So there you have it. Should WG allow Tier VIII CV's into Tier VII Operation? I personally say... yes.

@Umbaretz Agreed either remove the CVs eligible icon from these scenarios, give us odd tier CVs back or allow tier 6 or 8 CVs to be in those scenarios.

Or do away with scenarios and/or CVs altogether.

The current state of affairs is unacceptable! 

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2 minutes ago, Doombeagle said:

No, Narai is currently the one op where the cv driver can't spook every bot with air dropped torps and screw things up for the other players. Let's keep it that way.

A garbage rework CV with only one squad at a time in the air cant do crap any way!

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17 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

They're done with CVs.  They're moving onto Submarines now, but that's my gut feeling.  They'll push out Indomitable in whatever state she's in, make some money.  She's been a WiP ship for ages now.  But the future is in Submarine development for the game and Carriers are going to get kicked to the curbside.  So no odd tier CVs, no Hiryu, Bogue, no return of Independence.  Tier VII Saipan and Kaga can't exist anymore, not when they're Tier VIIIs.

 

WG can't even be bothered to re-enable old ops Ultimate Frontier, Cherry Blossom, Hermes, so I doubt more will be done for Operations.  They've even gone out and said they're not working on ops anymore (other than the upcoming Halloween stuff), just stuff for the PVP side of the house.

Well if that means that we will get Surcouf, I-400 or IJN subs sooner perfectly fine by me.

Like really, Russian submarines before Japanese ones? wth? Well when U-boats (aka only subs in WW2 with homing torps) didn't have any ping or homing advantage, I completely lost the very vague hope of IJN DDs getting Torpedo Reload Booster all across the board (they were the only ones with the ability of fire two sets of torps without going back to port) or the glorious Oxygen torpedos... Sigh...

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1 hour ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

A garbage rework CV with only one squad at a time in the air cant do crap any way!

I might argue that isn’t the case in KW. First game with Arc was 100k plus. Lots better than I usually do with Ranger, or even Ryujo.

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1 hour ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

@Umbaretz Agreed either remove the CVs eligible icon from these scenarios, give us odd tier CVs back or allow tier 6 or 8 CVs to be in those scenarios.

Or do away with scenarios and/or CVs altogether.

The current state of affairs is unacceptable! 

Just because you can't use CVs in Scenarios is no reason to remove the Scenarios from the game. There will be a lot of very unhappy people resulting from this move. If you don't want to play Scenarios that's fine, but don't spoil it for everyone else. 

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9 minutes ago, Lightninger said:

If you don't want to play Scenarios that's fine, but don't spoil it for everyone else. 

That's a joke lightn bug

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2 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

 

So there you have it. Should WG allow Tier VIII CV's into Tier VII Operation? I personally say... yes. :fish_cute_2:

My 2 doubloons. 

 

Instead of tier 8 CVs in tier 7 ops, why not ask the question … should tier 6 CVs be allowed in tier 7 ops?  

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2 hours ago, XurMP said:

They said that they don't plan on adding the uneven CVs for now but what about premiums? it's WG afterall and they probably want to completely milk the CV cow before start milking submarines (probably for Xmas).

Also... Good waifu taste, although Roon is just better IMHWO (In My Honest Weeb Opinion) 

 

1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

They're done with CVs.  They're moving onto Submarines now, but that's my gut feeling.  They'll push out Indomitable in whatever state she's in, make some money.  She's been a WiP ship for ages now.  But the future is in Submarine development for the game and Carriers are going to get kicked to the curbside.  So no odd tier CVs, no Hiryu, Bogue, no return of Independence.  Tier VII Saipan and Kaga can't exist anymore, not when they're Tier VIIIs.

 

WG can't even be bothered to re-enable old ops Ultimate Frontier, Cherry Blossom, Hermes, so I doubt more will be done for Operations.  They've even gone out and said they're not working on ops anymore (other than the upcoming Halloween stuff), just stuff for the PVP side of the house.

I'm aware of what WG said and implied, regarding both the CV's and the Operations. I understand that it most likely means that Narai could be our only Tier VII Operation for a long time... and it could mean a long time. Plus, any further big change(s) for the CV's may not come.

However, I'll still take what I can get. To be frank, why not? I see no harm in allowing CV's into Narai. Goofy players will play goofy, and mess things up for the team, regardless of what ship type they sail, CV's or otherwise. On the flip side, ditto for skilled players as well.

 

5 minutes ago, Crucis said:

Instead of tier 8 CVs in tier 7 ops, why not ask the question … should tier 6 CVs be allowed in tier 7 ops?  

That works too, but as I said Tier VI CV's already have access to Tier VI Operations. For the sake of variety, I think it's only fair that Tier VIII CV's take the place of now-gone Tier VII CV's in Tier VII Operation. That's my opinion. 

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2 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Ever since the CV rework arrived, we no longer have the odd tier CV's, and WG has stated that they might return as an alternate CV lines on even tiers... someday... maybe... possibly... and hopefully. LOL. :Smile_hiding:

Nevertheless, the description of Tier VII Operation still shows the CV icon as a possible ship type to play in, since it hasn't been updated. 

At first, I was going to ask if WG should allow Tier VI CV's into Tier VII Operation... but Tier VI CV's already have Tiet VI Operations to play in, so IMHO, I think it would be only fair to let Tier VIII CV's to enter the Tier VII Operation.

As it stands now, the only Tier VII Operation we have left is Narai. Still, I believe having a CV could be a boon for the team. When playing with bunch of random people, how often do we see our team not doing the objectives properly, or too many chase after one objective only to let the transports suffer? I think that the CV's, with their fast planes, would be able to provide a quick reaonse that can hastily react to how the team go about doing the mission, thereby covering for certain shortcomings... sometimes anyway.

In case anyone thinks that having Tier VIII CV's in Tier VII Operation might seem too stronk, I would like to remind that we already a Tier Vi Operation where a Tier VI CV is fighting against Tier II and III ships with barely, if any, AA at all. At least for Narai, AFAIK, the kind of ships that the bots get aren't exactly short of AA. If the aforementioned Tier VI Operation is just acceptable, then this should be okay as well, IMO. Plus, CV's are no longer the nuking death machines of the old RTS days with high alpha's and cross drops. IIRC, the reworked CV's have the overall damage output that is more or less in line with other ship types... or so I heard. Please don't quote me on that, thank you. :Smile_hiding:

Additionally, this might help those who are... weary (so to speak) to play their Tier VIII CV's in other modes, due to whatever reasons. Operations last long enough and have plenty of targets to go after, on top of having no human beings on the enemy team, so the reworked version of CV's should be able to contribute quite well... when played well, that is. LEL. :Smile_hiding:

So there you have it. Should WG allow Tier VIII CV's into Tier VII Operation? I personally say... yes. :fish_cute_2:

My 2 doubloons. 

 

 

There have been more than a few times where I see MO snipe the person going after Transports and no one is in position to intercept the St. Clair before she "escapes".  Then there are the few times where the person who goes after them, gets nipped by the Nicholas and again, no one is around to intercept the St. Clair before she "escapes".  At times like this, I REALLY wish there was a CV to hunt her down, since the other transports are much easier to spot, are slower, and are easier to hit accurately at range.  There are also the "more often than not" times when the person intercepting King get's whacked by her escorts, mostly because they don't bother shooting them first, and no one can chase her down.  While it will be more difficult to bring her down as a CV, at the very least a CV would be able to spot her so someone else can take a crack at her.

 

As for "balance":  All of those type of forts in Narai have AA.  It would be a simple matter for WG to readjust their AA to compensate for the inclusion of T8 CV's.  I would say keep their range the same as in KW, but if increased, no more than 4k AA range, and of course boost their damage to T7 or T8 AA damage ranges if they are not already set as such from prior to rework.

 

16 minutes ago, Crucis said:

Instead of tier 8 CVs in tier 7 ops, why not ask the question … should tier 6 CVs be allowed in tier 7 ops?  

Eh, there are 4 T6 Operations for T6 CV's.  While I love my T6 CV's, I REALLY want to use other CV tier's in an Operation.  Plus, Narai and Ultimate Frontier (when we see that Op again) are "geared" with T7's in mind.  Survivability is a factor, and the 6's are not as tough as the 8's.

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*polishes Graf Zeppelin and smiles with glee on the thought of using a secondary spec CV in Narai shooting away at nearby targets while bombarding the bot ships with planes in a completely different area

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2 hours ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Ever since the CV rework arrived, we no longer have the odd tier CV's, and WG has stated that they might return as an alternate CV lines on even tiers... someday... maybe... possibly... and hopefully. LOL. :Smile_hiding:

Nevertheless, the description of Tier VII Operation still shows the CV icon as a possible ship type to play in, since it hasn't been updated. 

At first, I was going to ask if WG should allow Tier VI CV's into Tier VII Operation... but Tier VI CV's already have Tiet VI Operations to play in, so IMHO, I think it would be only fair to let Tier VIII CV's to enter the Tier VII Operation.

As it stands now, the only Tier VII Operation we have left is Narai. Still, I believe having a CV could be a boon for the team. When playing with bunch of random people, how often do we see our team not doing the objectives properly, or too many chase after one objective only to let the transports suffer? I think that the CV's, with their fast planes, would be able to provide a quick reaonse that can hastily react to how the team go about doing the mission, thereby covering for certain shortcomings... sometimes anyway.

In case anyone thinks that having Tier VIII CV's in Tier VII Operation might seem too stronk, I would like to remind that we already a Tier Vi Operation where a Tier VI CV is fighting against Tier II and III ships with barely, if any, AA at all. At least for Narai, AFAIK, the kind of ships that the bots get aren't exactly short of AA. If the aforementioned Tier VI Operation is just acceptable, then this should be okay as well, IMO. Plus, CV's are no longer the nuking death machines of the old RTS days with high alpha's and cross drops. IIRC, the reworked CV's have the overall damage output that is more or less in line with other ship types... or so I heard. Please don't quote me on that, thank you. :Smile_hiding:

Additionally, this might help those who are... weary (so to speak) to play their Tier VIII CV's in other modes, due to whatever reasons. Operations last long enough and have plenty of targets to go after, on top of having no human beings on the enemy team, so the reworked version of CV's should be able to contribute quite well... when played well, that is. LEL. :Smile_hiding:

So there you have it. Should WG allow Tier VIII CV's into Tier VII Operation? I personally say... yes. :fish_cute_2:

My 2 doubloons. 

 

It is an option.

Tier VIII ship operations are another option.

Bringing back all the odd-tier CV's is also an option.  

Keep your thought-provoking ideas coming.  :-)

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9 minutes ago, Volron said:

 

There have been more than a few times where I see MO snipe the person going after Transports and no one is in position to intercept the St. Clair before she "escapes".  Then there are the few times where the person who goes after them, gets nipped by the Nicholas and again, no one is around to intercept the St. Clair before she "escapes".  At times like this, I REALLY wish there was a CV to hunt her down, since the other transports are much easier to spot, are slower, and are easier to hit accurately at range.  There are also the "more often than not" times when the person intercepting King get's whacked by her escorts, mostly because they don't bother shooting them first, and no one can chase her down.  While it will be more difficult to bring her down as a CV, at the very least a CV would be able to spot her so someone else can take a crack at her.

 

As for "balance":  All of those type of forts in Narai have AA.  It would be a simple matter for WG to readjust their AA to compensate for the inclusion of T8 CV's.  I would say keep their range the same as in KW, but if increased, no more than 4k AA range, and of course boost their damage to T7 or T8 AA damage ranges if they are not already set as such from prior to rework.

 

Eh, there are 4 T6 Operations for T6 CV's.  While I love my T6 CV's, I REALLY want to use other CV tier's in an Operation.  Plus, Narai and Ultimate Frontier (when we see that Op again) are "geared" with T7's in mind.  Survivability is a factor, and the 6's are not as tough as the 8's.

To me, it's about balance.  Tier 8 CVs don't belong in tier 7 operations.

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1 hour ago, CAPTMUDDXX said:

That's a joke lightn bug

Whether you actually meant it as a joke or not, it easily doesn't read like one, especially when you are pinging a game dev.

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1 minute ago, Lightninger said:

Whether you actually meant it as a joke or not, it easily doesn't read like one, especially when you are pinging a game dev.

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44 minutes ago, Crucis said:

To me, it's about balance.  Tier 8 CVs don't belong in tier 7 operations.

Then bring back odd tier CVs or change the eligible CV tier to 6.

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1 hour ago, Wolfswetpaws said:

Tier VIII ship operations are another option.

Bringing back all the odd-tier CV's is also an option.  
 

TBH, I would just loooove to have both of these as well.

But we all know what WG did and said. I personally think that any discussion for Tier VII CV's are a lost cause... but that's just me. :Smile_sad:

So the next best thing I came up with was this. I wasn't sure, so I decided to put the thread in a question-like format, while presenting my ideas and reasonings at the same time. :Smile_hiding:

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Even the old Tier VIII Ops, Hermes & Cherry Blossom, were very heavily restricted.

 

Hermes only Tier VIIIs allowed were FR Battleships.  Everything else was either VII Lyon as a BB or Allied VII Cruisers.

 

Cherry Blossom was purely for VIII Allied Cruisers.

 

You had entire swathes of High Tier ships not eligible to play the old "Tier VIII" Ops, even from the Allied side.  Axis?  100% screwed.

 

All these High Tier ships, you can't use for Ops.

All these fancy High Tier Premiums like Thunderer, Benham, Ohio, Georgia, Tirpitz, Massachusetts, Kii, Missouri, Musashi, etc... You can't use for Ops.  It's not just the Tier VIII CVs.  It's everything past Tier VII.

And WG shows no sign whatsoever to change that.  Matter of fact, all signs point that they're drifting away from PVE in general for a long time to come.

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Even the old Tier VIII Ops, Hermes & Cherry Blossom, were very heavily restricted.

 

Hermes only Tier VIIIs allowed were FR Battleships.  Everything else was either VII Lyon as a BB or Allied VII Cruisers.

 

Cherry Blossom was purely for VIII Allied Cruisers.

 

You had entire swathes of High Tier ships not eligible to play the old "Tier VIII" Ops, even from the Allied side.  Axis?  100% screwed.

 

All these High Tier ships, you can't use for Ops.

All these fancy High Tier Premiums like Thunderer, Benham, Ohio, Georgia, Tirpitz, Massachusetts, Kii, Missouri, Musashi, etc... You can't use for Ops.  It's not just the Tier VIII CVs.  It's everything past Tier VII.

And WG shows no sign whatsoever to change that.  Matter of fact, all signs point that they're drifting away from PVE in general for a long time to come.

Haze, a few thoughts...

1. There are a couple things they could do to help with the Axis not having access to some operations. 

a. They could take some existing ops and make them Axis only.  Narai is one that comes to mind.  Ultimate Frontier (not available at this time) is another one.  Both of these ops have the bot team being US or allied ships as the enemy, so making the player team Axis only would be logical.  And there are some others that could be made Allies only.

or

b. They could justd remove all national limitations.  I personally wouldn't like this.  I think that national limitations on operations give them more character, and wish that they'd do it more often.

 

2. Regarding high tier premiums, yeah, there's only a limited number of high tier ops, and no sign of this changing for a long time.  Honestly, I put a lot of  the blame for this on April Fools and Halloween special events (and any others they slip in, like the Savage Battles event).  If they directed the time and resources spent on those events into creating regular ol' Operations, we'd have at least 2 new operations per year, which is better than we have now.  But nooooooooooooooooooooooo, they have to spend those resources on crap that seems to exist to play to people other than the game core audience, i.e. middle aged men who have a love of naval history.

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