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For 2 days I've been on the fence about getting the Friesland, I like how it looks, the AA is amazing the guns look awesome but at the same time lacks good concealment (which I don't really care about), speed and torps. I want it but don't know if it's worth it. Then I see the sub testing and saw some pictures of premium subs and think to myself "what if they make a free xp sub?"

What should I do?  :cap_fainting:

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I would wait.  I’ve encountered many and I’m not impressed with the ship at all.  It’s easily countered and is only dangerous when in smoke and something is spotting for it. 

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I'm on the same fence fellow captain. My best class played is DD but friesland is mid pack in winrates, isn't the best DD hunter with only 5km hydro and only has guns to hit big 🎯, the lack of torps is the biggest challenge for me... Put the low hydro distance , not great concealment, lack of torps... I'm not sure if it's worth it. Not saying I won't get her though 😜

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4 minutes ago, HouseDevils said:

For 2 days I've been on the fence about getting the Friesland, I like how it looks, the AA is amazing the guns look awesome but at the same time lacks good concealment (which I don't really care about), speed and torps. I want it but don't know if it's worth it. Then I see the sub testing and saw some pictures of premium subs and think to myself "what if they make a free xp sub?"

What should I do?  :cap_fainting:

I'm not one to usually advise people on their currencies. However, I'd be more concerned about missing out on an Alaska or Azuma than loosing a chance to get a Friesland. Friesland was literally just released. 

The only other fxp ship on the assembly line is Siegfried and I'm saving my fxp for her; if only to get into and ruin games for those t7 BBs.

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I bought the Freisland, so far I have played over 200 battles in it, fair enough the concealment gets to 6.4, but I have found this to be a non issue, the USN smoke with German hydro more than makes up for this.

I recommend this ship, but I am a DD main, so it might not be a good fit for everyone, the AA is great, and its ROF is awesome, especially when a DD comes around an island not expecting you.

Yes a BB can push onto you, but that comes down to when you should leave your smoke, but the fires it can light to whittle that BB down is fantastic.

Right now the most damage I have done in it is about 195k, the most planes is 70, and about 27ish fires, all of course in different matches.

When subs come into the game, this DD should be able to fire its ASW front and back, and any surfaced sub will wear the brunt of the ROF, so with subs it will be a good ship in dealing with them, but those are my thoughts.

I just looked at your stats with DD OP, and to be honest you would have a lot of fun with it and do well.

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The only thing that will make me buy the Friesland is if the (eventual) full release of submarines causes WG to give it some super-effective sub-hunting gimmick to balance the lack of torpedoes. Not TOO powerful, just enough to give people who don't like the idea of a no-torpedoes DD some incentive to buy it.

6 minutes ago, Crokodone said:

The only other fxp ship on the assembly line is Siegfried

Has that even been confirmed for FXP yet? I know it's a reasonable choice, being at Tier 9 rather than 10 and with so many other coal ships about, but it's not impossible for a T9 ship to be for coal (witness Jean Bart). (For the record, I don't think she's exceptional enough to be a steel ship - but then I thought that of Somers, so you never know.)

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If it doesn't look great to you, skip it for now, It'll probably be in the queue for FXP for at least 12 months, so you've got time to think about it. Since it really is an ASW boat, it'll be interesting to see if it gets anything unique when subs do eventually come out. I like mine a lot, but it's certainly not for everyone. Do you like burninating things with boats in the Kitakaze line but want the challenge of not having torps to protect yourself with? Then definitely. 

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4 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The only thing that will make me buy the Friesland is if the (eventual) full release of submarines causes WG to give it some super-effective sub-hunting gimmick to balance the lack of torpedoes. Not TOO powerful, just enough to give people who don't like the idea of a no-torpedoes DD some incentive to buy it.

The Freisland would be to OP if it had torps, and it doesn't need them, some people think you need to have torps as a deterrent, but the reality is, most people try to run away from you, even BB.

But again all games are situational in the way any ship can play.

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Unless you are interested in something pretty unique and are confident in your DD abilities, then I would say 1 million FXP is too much. 

That doesn't mean she's not a good ship, just that she's a pretty acquired taste. 

10 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The only thing that will make me buy the Friesland is if the (eventual) full release of submarines causes WG to give it some super-effective sub-hunting gimmick to balance the lack of torpedoes. Not TOO powerful, just enough to give people who don't like the idea of a no-torpedoes DD some incentive to buy it.

Historically the leadership of the Dutch navy after WWII decided on focusing on a strong ASW fleet within NATO, meaning most of the ships they built were for that purpose.

I expect Friesland to have if not the best ASW  potential in the game, at least among the best.

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Just now, warheart1992 said:

Historically the leadership of the Dutch navy after WWII decided on focusing on a strong ASW fleet within NATO, meaning most of the ships they built were for that purpose.

I expect Friesland to have if not the best ASW  potential in the game, at least among the best.

I think it would be quite appropriate if she did. I'm just not counting my chickens before they're hatched.

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1 hour ago, HouseDevils said:

For 2 days I've been on the fence about getting the Friesland, I like how it looks, the AA is amazing the guns look awesome but at the same time lacks good concealment (which I don't really care about), speed and torps. I want it but don't know if it's worth it. Then I see the sub testing and saw some pictures of premium subs and think to myself "what if they make a free xp sub?"

What should I do?  :cap_fainting:

How do you like playing Haragumo? Wooster?

Same thing with worse HE and AP pen.

 

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1 hour ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Has that even been confirmed for FXP yet? I know it's a reasonable choice, being at Tier 9 rather than 10 and with so many other coal ships about, but it's not impossible for a T9 ship to be for coal (witness Jean Bart). (For the record, I don't think she's exceptional enough to be a steel ship - but then I thought that of Somers, so you never know.)

nothing confirmed yet, but seeing how the other T9 supercruisers became free XP, wouldn't be surpised

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I enjoy Friesland for its ability to create pressure.  Anything that causes opponent ships to dance is my bag - Asashio or Benham with their Torps, Thunderer with its HE SPAM & gun speed. 

If you prefer to knife fight or snipe torp, Friesland is not for you. 

 


Buying it because it looks like it would be good at ASW is not something I would suggest - that's a lot of trust in how WG does things.

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1 hour ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

Has that even been confirmed for FXP yet? I know it's a reasonable choice, being at Tier 9 rather than 10 and with so many other coal ships about, but it's not impossible for a T9 ship to be for coal (witness Jean Bart). (For the record, I don't think she's exceptional enough to be a steel ship - but then I thought that of Somers, so you never know.)

It was confirmed a few months ago, but the post has since been buried or deleted. Imo, I pray Siegfried isn't Steel; its rare enough and Siegfried, though bearing great potential, still isn't OP enough to warrent being moved to t10. I know Musashi was for both FXP and Coal before she was pulled.

However, the recent trends for t9s have been a fxp option with a cash or coal derivatives. Siegfried would be a major loss if she was exclusively steel or coal.

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I wanted it also... but not for 1 million FXP. Way too overpriced. It's not going any where for a while so you can wait. Watch it in battle both as an enemy and ally to see how it does and if it would fit your particular playstyle. It's not going to fit with everyone... it's not even a good fit for many DD mains. It's a ship that shouldn't be a rushed impulse buy.

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1 hour ago, Crokodone said:

It was confirmed a few months ago, but the post has since been buried or deleted.

@Umbaretz @Bualar Can you confirm or deny, please?

Not that I don't trust you, Crokodone, but if it HAS been announced then it would be nice to have the particular currency confirmed in a recent post.

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3 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

@Umbaretz @Bualar Can you confirm or deny, please?

Not that I don't trust you, Crokodone, but if it HAS been announced then it would be nice to have the particular currency confirmed in a recent post.

No, we can't confirm Siegfried being for freeexp.

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4 hours ago, BarneyStyle said:

I would wait.  I’ve encountered many and I’m not impressed with the ship at all.  It’s easily countered and is only dangerous when in smoke and something is spotting for it. 

You haven’t played against good ones then. 

Friesland’s danger to cruisers is negligible. Danger to battleships is also low although it’s great at incentivizing them to abandon their current course which is game changing. 

Friesland will demolish any contemporary destroyers in the knife fight and the majority of Tier X destroyers in a knife fight. Friesland kills destroyers and destroyers tend to decide games. 

Friesland also provides a very fast AA immunity zone that is far more durable as a fleet escort then Worcester and Minotaur by virtue of not having citadels and being faster, more maneuverable, and with great smoke. 

Friesland is a big threat to Tier X carriers, against Tier VIII it is a flat no fly zone. 

Friesland hard counters two classes in the game. Anyone who thinks this isn’t significant is mistaken. It synergizes with battleships very well, acting like a secondary HE battery to the BB’s AP. Good BB’s keep the radar away, Friesland keeps planes and destroyers away, hydro spots torpedoes  

That being said, lack of torps give it a VERY high skill floor. My suggestion is to play Daring, if you can do well in Daring you will love Friesland. 

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13 minutes ago, 1An0maly1 said:

Friesland’s danger to cruisers is negligible. Danger to battleships is also low although it’s great at incentivizing them to abandon their current course which is game changing. 

This. It's remarkable how many battleships will do a 180 and nope out when they come under a steady stream of HE fire. Of course, some don't, but they suffer for their choice. It can be very tactical.

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16 minutes ago, 1An0maly1 said:

You haven’t played against good ones then. 

Friesland’s danger to cruisers is negligible. Danger to battleships is also low although it’s great at incentivizing them to abandon their current course which is game changing. 

Friesland will demolish any contemporary destroyers in the knife fight and the majority of Tier X destroyers in a knife fight. Friesland kills destroyers and destroyers tend to decide games. 

Friesland also provides a very fast AA immunity zone that is far more durable as a fleet escort then Worcester and Minotaur by virtue of not having citadels and being faster, more maneuverable, and with great smoke. 

Friesland is a big threat to Tier X carriers, against Tier VIII it is a flat no fly zone. 

Friesland hard counters two classes in the game. Anyone who thinks this isn’t significant is mistaken. It synergizes with battleships very well, acting like a secondary HE battery to the BB’s AP. Good BB’s keep the radar away, Friesland keeps planes and destroyers away, hydro spots torpedoes  

That being said, lack of torps give it a VERY high skill floor. My suggestion is to play Daring, if you can do well in Daring you will love Friesland. 

I’m it saying it’s a bad ship, but like you said, the skill floor is very high and a single mistake will be the end of it.

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4 hours ago, BarneyStyle said:

I would wait.  I’ve encountered many and I’m not impressed with the ship at all.  It’s easily countered and is only dangerous when in smoke and something is spotting for it. 

I pretty much agree. I won't say I am completely unimpressed, but I am not that impressed.  Now that I have faced a few in DDs (Benson mainly) I found it it isn't that huge a threat if you are familiar with what it does (and don't forget about its hydro). I don't have (or want) one personally but I watched a lot of CC videos on it so I knew how it fought. It is powerful in the hands of a skilled player but most ships are.  Its detection isn't that great and it isn't particularly quick so it can't push another DD well, nor can it control the range against stealthier, faster DDs. Friesland's lack of torps means you can approach it without fear while it is smoked up so long as you stay out of hydro range. 

It is quite good in static defense against ships that can't push into its smoke. Big ships and the faster, tougher DDs (French and some Soviet) can just push into its smoke and force it to run. It's a lot like a less-stealthy UK DD with no torps but better hydro. 

Whether or not to buy it is pretty much up to personal taste. I wouldn't tell anyone not to buy it because it isn't a bad ship at all, but it is rather limited in what it does. It really needs a good player who can set up good opportunities for it. Personally, if I am going to play this style I would prefer to do it in a CL with more tools. A slow, torpless DD is a strict no-go for me personally. Its guns are great but that, German hydro and American smoke are all it really has. Bigger ships can just run through the damage and charge you knowing you have nothing to keep them back. Plus I am still a little irritated that a post-war, ASW DD was the first Dutch ship to appear rather than one of the WWII veterans. That's just me though. 

 

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37 minutes ago, Lert said:

This. It's remarkable how many battleships will do a 180 and nope out when they come under a steady stream of HE fire. Of course, some don't, but they suffer for their choice. It can be very tactical.

I've noticed that a lot as well. It's kinda hysterical how often 1 fire will get BBs to turn around when they really should press the attack. 

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5 hours ago, oldschool1972 said:

I'm on the same fence fellow captain. My best class played is DD but friesland is mid pack in winrates, isn't the best DD hunter with only 5km hydro and only has guns to hit big 🎯, the lack of torps is the biggest challenge for me... Put the low hydro distance , not great concealment, lack of torps... I'm not sure if it's worth it. Not saying I won't get her though 😜

Granted I dont have the ship, but 5km is great for contesting caps in the middle to late game. Once all those radar ships are dead or not many left

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51 minutes ago, Lert said:

This. It's remarkable how many battleships will do a 180 and nope out when they come under a steady stream of HE fire. Of course, some don't, but they suffer for their choice. It can be very tactical.

Even better. The battleships that rush the smoke and meanwhile present broadsides to friendly ships nearby. 

 

Also battleships will assume that since you dont have torps they don’t need to worry about torpedoes. If you have a friendly dd that can chuck torpedoes nearby you can have some fun synergy. 

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