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Just a curious question. 

Granted, as they are clones of other ships already in game it makes little sense to do so, I have talked to a few people that are collectors and would like to get some of these ships.

Would there be licensing issues if they were released as regular ships without the ARP visuals? Or even as regular premiums with a regular permanent camo?

Not much profit in it likely, but that kind of release would be pretty economical as it would just be clones of already existing assets.

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Meh.  I think that it could be more interesting to have one of the Kongo's sister ships released as a tier 6 premium in its most upgraded condition.  It'd have to be somewhat better than fully upgraded tier 5 Kongo to be viable at tier 6.  They could also do a tier 4 premium Kongo sister, probably an "A" hull in its WW1 state.

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Sure, I think it's possible, but as you said, there's that "just-a-clone" issue. Then again, that hasn't stopped WG from slapping on some gimmicks (lol) to release sister ships in the past.

 

Just now, warheart1992 said:

I fail to understand. Do you mean in terms of just the naming? 

I think OP wants sister ships of Kongo to be released in the game. So far, they only showed up in WoWs as ARP ships, and nothing else.

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1 minute ago, warheart1992 said:

I fail to understand. Do you mean in terms of just the naming? 

It would have to be both the naming and the skin to avoid legal troubles with whoever owns the rights to the ARP content I'm sure.

As far as the ships, they could either be clones of the tech tree or tweaked slightly as either alternate tech tree ships or as premuims.

 

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2 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

Sure, I think it's possible, but as you said, there's that "just-a-clone" issue. Then again, that hasn't stopped WG from slapping on some gimmicks (lol) to release sister ships in the past.

 

I think OP wants sister ships of Kongo to be released in the game. So far, they only showed up in WoWs as ARP ships, and nothing else.

Basically what I'm asking yes, though not for myself. I have all 4 of the Kongo sisters as well as the tier 7 cruiser who's name escapes me at the moment. Only one I'm missing is the Atago clone, and I'm fine with that. 

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15 minutes ago, dechion said:

It would have to be both the naming and the skin to avoid legal troubles with whoever owns the rights to the ARP content I'm sure.

As far as the ships, they could either be clones of the tech tree or tweaked slightly as either alternate tech tree ships or as premuims.

 

Ok, I understand. Personally a tier V permacamo for Kongo and the ability to add names names of the ship's class should help in that regard.

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One of the things I'd love to be able to do if I had infinite power in this game is to look at both the ARP and HSF licences and see what was specifically forbidden and what I might get away with.

Given the demand for a return of the Kongos at least, it makes me wonder why they haven't released non-ARP Hiei, Haruna and Kirishima into the game. Was there some clause in the contract with Ars Nova which specified that only the ARP ships were allowed to bear the names of the other Kongo sisters? Maybe the problem with introducing permanently-available full premium sister ships is that it's an open invitation for people to put their 19 pointers into a 30 knot battlecruiser in the hope of brutalizing the seals at T4 (which Kongo can see). Sure, the ones who have ARP ships (or are willing to pay ECXP/gold to put a 19 pointer into the tech-tree Kongo) probably do that anyway, but at least the ARP ships' numbers are currently absolutely fixed, some sold theirs, the inability to fit one-shot camos and the gimped nature of the ARP permanents is something of a deterrent, and the influx of players into the game since the collab ended has diluted the remaining population somewhat. But selling the premium ships in standard form would spill those floodgates wide open. Myoko is a safer bet because being a cruiser gives her a degree of fragility that keeps her in check; this is probably why we have the Southern and Eastern Dragon clones for her and not for the Kongos.

 

8 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

a tier V permacamo for Kongo

A lot of people would buy this, me included.

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ARP ships released without the visuals?  They already exist.

 

Kongo

Myoko

Atago - Able to slot camo for a full stealth build that ARP Takao cannot.  Atago is one of the stealthiest Cruisers in high tier.  She can stealth up and outspot an Atlanta for a massive surprise :Smile_trollface:

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Yes all of the IJN versions could be made in game.

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12 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

A lot of people would buy this, me included.

I'm pretty certain that this would attract more interest in low tiers than the Research Bureau. Of course the bonuses should be tweaked a bit but I can't see why not.

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3 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

Of course the bonuses should be tweaked a bit

Yes and no. IIRC, all the premiums all the way down to T2 currently have the same +50% XP, 10% off costs, 3% to visibility and 4% to dispersion bonuses that the mid-tiers enjoy (at least as far as T8). I think it used to be different once upon a time but they normalized it since.

Now if they wanted to sell some spicy stuff of the sort they're currently offering for Warspite, Shinonome and Graf Spee (e.g. much higher XP and cash bonuses), or even offer a standard permacamo for Kongo but Hiei with an as-issue permacamo that came with inherent free XP bonuses (as per Anshan) or captain XP bonuses (as per a few others that I don't have and can't remember the names), I can see them picking up extra sales from the collectors on that score too.

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Go figure I'm drawn to this discussion I'm looking for that kirishima would be interested in purchasing/ playing

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All ships were clones of the regular line ships I.E. the Kongo and the Myoko. The only other ship that was available once was the Takao but as you well know is basically a reskinned Atago. She is currently available in the shop. For dubs.

As for WG doing another collaboration I don't so . We still didn't get the Kuma reskin and the Musashi and Yamato reskin either.

 

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1 hour ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

IIRC, all the premiums all the way down to T2 currently have the same +50% XP, 10% off costs, 3% to visibility and 4% to dispersion bonuses

ARP ships have no bonuses. Basically like running naked without camo. 

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If WG ever gets around to doing this, you'll see them release as different ships with different gimmicks, along the lines of Harekaze or Yukikaze (both Kagero-class). People don't like buying pure clone ships or extremely subtle variants, apparently.

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Only way to do that now is to purchase an old account from someone deceased or retired from the game.

Yes, you'd have the ships, but it'd be in a second/third account.

I have two accounts and I rarely purchase the same ships for both.  Those ships purchase for both are Kaga, Ishizuchi, Dunkerque, Sims, Atlanta, Scharnhorst, and Indianapolis.

PEF, Mutsu, Aigle, Okhotnik, and DoY don't count because they were 'prize/container drop' ships. 

Second account has no ARP ships/captains, so I'm hurting for IJN captains.  Second account has the Julius Caesar, Kidd, Massachusetts, Harakaze, and Exeter where primary doesn't.

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I know they are out there.  Just need to look

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2 hours ago, Crucis said:

Meh.  I think that it could be more interesting to have one of the Kongo's sister ships released as a tier 6 premium in its most upgraded condition.  It'd have to be somewhat better than fully upgraded tier 5 Kongo to be viable at tier 6.  They could also do a tier 4 premium Kongo sister, probably an "A" hull in its WW1 state.

I'd really love to see this.  Especially with the new MM changes tier 6 is actually pretty fun.  Using Haruna as a T6 premium Kongo would probably make the most sense.  She historically received a literal boatload of 25mm AA guns, and was also known for having a dazzle camo. PEF proves that even smaller numbers of weak guns can be viable (if not for everyone).  If they increased the accuracy substantially more than that, to compensate for her hull's general squishyness, I think she'd definitely be viable.

She's be a great example of battlecruiser play.  Outgun the cruisers, outrun the enemy BBs.  Not to mention I think the Kongo class gets a fair amount of love for being historically relevant.  They might not have been the best or most modern, but they actually fought unlike a certain hotel ship.

C'mon WG, she would check all the boxes!

1)  Ship based on historical configuration
2)  Visually distinct
3)  Gameplay would be distinct
4)  Historical appeal for history fans
5)  Weeb appeal for being daijoubu

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What would be awesome is if they tweaked them to give them each unique abilities and play style.

For Hiei, give her access to the engine boost consumable in acknowledgement of her higher top speed than her sisters. Make her available for coal in the Armory.

For Haruna, give her access to the defensive aa consumable in acknowledgement of her extensive use as an anti-aircraft escort. Make her available for Free XP.

For Kirishima, give her access to upgrade slot 4 and a small inherent boost to her secondary range in acknowledgement of her night duel with South Dakota and Washington. Make her available initially as a mission reward, and later in the premium store for doubloons.

To balance these against Kongo, give them small penalties to sigma or hit points.

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1 hour ago, Kenjister said:

I'd really love to see this.  Especially with the new MM changes tier 6 is actually pretty fun.  Using Haruna as a T6 premium Kongo would probably make the most sense.  She historically received a literal boatload of 25mm AA guns, and was also known for having a dazzle camo. PEF proves that even smaller numbers of weak guns can be viable (if not for everyone).  If they increased the accuracy substantially more than that, to compensate for her hull's general squishyness, I think she'd definitely be viable.

She's be a great example of battlecruiser play.  Outgun the cruisers, outrun the enemy BBs.  Not to mention I think the Kongo class gets a fair amount of love for being historically relevant.  They might not have been the best or most modern, but they actually fought unlike a certain hotel ship.

C'mon WG, she would check all the boxes!

1)  Ship based on historical configuration
2)  Visually distinct
3)  Gameplay would be distinct
4)  Historical appeal for history fans
5)  Weeb appeal for being daijoubu

I'm not sure how visually distinct they'd be, though that doesn't mean that the devs couldn't find a way to make it happen.  I will say that as tier 6 IJN BBs go, a tier 6 Kongo (Haruna) would definitely be different from the tier 6 Mutsu.

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1 hour ago, Kenjister said:

I'd really love to see this.  Especially with the new MM changes tier 6 is actually pretty fun.  Using Haruna as a T6 premium Kongo would probably make the most sense.  She historically received a literal boatload of 25mm AA guns, and was also known for having a dazzle camo. PEF proves that even smaller numbers of weak guns can be viable (if not for everyone).  If they increased the accuracy substantially more than that, to compensate for her hull's general squishyness, I think she'd definitely be viable.

She's be a great example of battlecruiser play.  Outgun the cruisers, outrun the enemy BBs.  Not to mention I think the Kongo class gets a fair amount of love for being historically relevant.  They might not have been the best or most modern, but they actually fought unlike a certain hotel ship.

C'mon WG, she would check all the boxes!

1)  Ship based on historical configuration
2)  Visually distinct
3)  Gameplay would be distinct
4)  Historical appeal for history fans
5)  Weeb appeal for being daijoubu

 

18 minutes ago, Crucis said:

I'm not sure how visually distinct they'd be, though that doesn't mean that the devs couldn't find a way to make it happen.  I will say that as tier 6 IJN BBs go, a tier 6 Kongo (Haruna) would definitely be different from the tier 6 Mutsu.

I would love to have a tier 6 Kongo-class for Operations, especially since I’m one of those few who never really clicked with Fuso and consider her a bit of a downgrade.

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They couldn't give those ships out to players who don't have them right now even if they wanted to.  It was a limited-time licensing thing.  That said I seem to remember somewhere when someone asked about the hero submarine from that IP coming here now that submarines are coming someone from WG gave the same explanation of why they couldn't just put that ship in, but they wouldn't rule out out-of-hand a new collaboration in the future that would allow them to add it.

 

In short though, no new collab or licensing deal, no one who doesn't already have those ships or captains can ever get them.

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