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I would like to personally thank and congratulate the wargaming team for this excellent tier 4 cv buff!

The 6 games i have played so far in the hosho, i am averaging 110k in a tier 4 cv. I feel so much enjoyment out of smiting new players and exposing them to triple hosho matches where i can plunder to my hearts content with this perfectly balanced weapon you have provided. For those unaware recently wargaming felt tier 4 cv were not strong enough so they gave the torpedo plane strikes a second attack plane per strike, meaning each strike has 2 torps instead of the previous singular torp.

can we get similiar buffs to every other cv too?

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P.s i know this is a small sample size so i will be ongoing "testing" how strong the hosho is and also the langley too

this is sarcasm since some people cant pick up on it.

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Aaand high tier cv:s has also buffed or aa decreased significantly. 

 

Is there now somekind tier 8 cv noobprotection in active? 

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9 minutes ago, Finnkax said:

Aaand high tier cv:s has also buffed or aa decreased significantly. 

When i can delete double post?

 

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18 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

I would like to personally thank and congratulate the wargaming team for this excellent tier 4 cv buff!

The 6 games i have played so far in the hosho, i am averaging 110k in a tier 4 cv. I feel so much enjoyment out of smiting new players and exposing them to triple hosho matches where i can plunder to my hearts content with this perfectly balanced weapon you have provided. For those unaware recently wargaming felt tier 4 cv were not strong enough so they gave the torpedo plane strikes a second attack plane per strike, meaning each strike has 2 torps instead of the previous singular torp.

can we get similiar buffs to every other cv too?

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P.s i know this is a small sample size so i will be ongoing "testing" how strong the hosho is and also the langley too

I like how you have been doing 150k and keep losing. Quite impressive teams there...

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4 minutes ago, UltimateNewbie said:

I like how you have been doing 150k and keep losing. Quite impressive teams there...

kinda makes you wonder what the rest of the team did those games, to be fair they are most likely brand new players

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30 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

P.s i know this is a small sample size so i will be ongoing "testing" how strong the hosho is and also the langley too

From a bit of testing and stat checking I did, Hosho with TA gets to 55 knots. Langley is more in the 35ish region I think, so I believe you should get better results in Hosho. 

Meanwhile Hermes is crying in a corner :etc_hide_turtle:.

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3 minutes ago, warheart1992 said:

From a bit of testing and stat checking I did, Hosho with TA gets to 55 knots. Langley is more in the 35ish region I think, so I believe you should get better results in Hosho. 

Meanwhile Hermes is crying in a corner :etc_hide_turtle:.

langley also gets h.e bombs so added fire damage compared to hosho

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Just now, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

langley also gets h.e bombs so added fire damage compared to hosho

That's true, though the whole playstyle revolves around alpha strikes with torps. Dunno how DoTs will turn out and how reliably you can get a flooding to follow up with a fire.

Still, looking forward to seeing Langley results :fish_boom:.

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1 minute ago, warheart1992 said:

That's true, though the whole playstyle revolves around alpha strikes with torps. Dunno how DoTs will turn out and how reliably you can get a flooding to follow up with a fire.

Still, looking forward to seeing Langley results :fish_boom:.

funnily enough i discovered i was not running flooding flag on my hosho so i missed out on the 15% extra flooding chance. could have easily cracked 200k but ultimately thats my goal to break the 200k mark with either cv

 

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Has there been any published explanation as to why WG felt the need to buff? I know they have to see tier Vs but damn....especially when you have silly MM caps where near half the team are carriers.

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You think that’s op, you should see my Fighter in BG1 with triple proficiency in Long Sword and double proficiency in Two-weapon fighting.

It’s like having a Smolensk in my main hand and a Colbert in the other.

Plus he has high intelligence so I can dual class into Mage which will basically make him a BB\CV.

Not too mention his Full Field Plate which is way better than turtleback and he has Boots of Speed which puts French speed boost to shame.

And As soon as he hits 5th in Mage he will have Haste which will give me permanent reload booster.

He generates massive credits, has zero service cost and doesn’t need flags or camo.

Best part - his Cloak of Displacement gives him impenetrable AA.

 

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10 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

Has there been any published explanation as to why WG felt the need to buff? I know they have to see tier Vs but damn....especially when you have silly MM caps where near half the team are carriers.

i would assume the spreadsheet show the averages were low compared to other tiers? interesting fact that is the first cv new players get their hands on, i wonder if they took that into consideration if this was the case?

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9 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

Has there been any published explanation as to why WG felt the need to buff? I know they have to see tier Vs but damn....especially when you have silly MM caps where near half the team are carriers.

The only thing that can be somewhat of an explanation though not directly regarding tier IV CVs is their decision to buff or nerf CVs based on popularity. So this could be a testbed to see what they can get away with buff wise. The fact that Hermes was untouched possibly points to a comparison with the buffed ones to see how stats and popularity are affected.

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1 hour ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

The 6 games i have played so far in the hosho, i am averaging 110k in a tier 4 cv. I feel so much enjoyment out of smiting new players and exposing them to triple hosho matches where i can plunder to my hearts content with this perfectly balanced weapon you have provided. For those unaware recently wargaming felt tier 4 cv were not strong enough so they gave the torpedo plane strikes a second attack plane per strike, meaning each strike has 2 torps instead of the previous singular torp.

can we get similiar buffs to every other cv too?

Pardon me for being confused here....I dont think being sarcastic or pompous while spreading a propaganda stance in your above statement, is NOT good manners. 

Why do you think your human achievement should be punished?

Even with high DMG, you lost more games then you won (going by the small sample size you provided)...IMO IJN CVs should be the torp specialist ships, they should go after BBs. Since BBs have the highest HP in the game Of course you're going to end up with high DMG totals.

What I find depressing is,

  • First match
    • 27 torp hits only 6 floods
  • Second match
    • 21 torp hits only 1 flood
  • Third match
    • 35 torp hits 3 floods.

IF people want to through the work of landing a lot of torp hits to be anywhere near productive, then your above statement about CVs being strong is moot.

Human achievement should not be punished...Just because its torps or a class people dont like.

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You are assuming WG put some thought process into the consequences of their decisions.  Their most likely response to this is "We don't see many 3 CV matches" completely ignoring the other issues raised..........

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1 minute ago, Navalpride33 said:

Pardon me for being confused here....I dont think being sarcastic or pompous while spreading a propaganda stance in your above statement, is NOT good manners. 

Why do you think your human achievement should be punished?

Even with high DMG, you lost more games then you won (going by the small sample size you provided)...IMO IJN CVs should be the torp specialist ships, they should go after BBs. Since BBs have the highest HP in the game Of course you're going to end up with high DMG totals.

What I find depressing is,

  • First match
    • 27 torp hits only 6 floods
  • Second match
    • 21 torp hits only 1 flood
  • Third match
    • 35 torp hits 3 floods.

IF people want to through the work of landing a lot of torp hits to be anywhere near productive, then your above statement about CVs being strong is moot.

Human achievement should not be punished...

your kind of missing the point here i obviously didnt make it clear enough for you, im averaging 110k in a recently buffed already overpowered class at tier 4.

im not sure how many tier 4 ships you are averaging 110k in, but this seems a little absurd to me.

To try make this a little more clear since you cant pick up on the sarcasm, i thoroughly object to how strong cv are since rework and to buff these tier 4 to a point where i can do 110k easily with my first 6 games is disgusting. Think of brand new players being exposed to this let alone the fact most of my games were double or triple cv games.

cv rework has made cv completely broken and have gone full circle where a good player can easily dictate how a match goes especially at such a low tier where there are ships that literally dont have any AA on them.

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30 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

, im averaging 110k in a recently buffed already overpowered class at tier 4.

im not sure how many tier 4 ships you are averaging 110k in, but this seems a little absurd to me.

ANd I made the point that in order to get those results you had to work more then everyone else and you're targeting BBs...

SO, why should YOUR achievement or anyone else does manage 25 torp hits, Why should their achievement be punished because its absurd to you ?

Basic math says its not absurd... If %90 of CV's DMG is feeding off BBs then cool its historical... Its History...

Tier 4 achieving over or near 100k? I did, in my ISHOKAZE...BB GC, Ocktuber revolution, Ark Beta, Texas ETC.

30 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

hink of brand new players being exposed to this let alone the fact most of my games were double or triple cv games.

This I can agree to put a limit on, 1 CV per side is cool more then one and then we see DMG numbers that scare you...

Torp dmg to you is absurd, meanwhile tier 4 and 5 premium BBs have been doing that much DMG for a long time.... Are you going to spread your negative perspective at what they can achieve ?

In context, if a CV player is willing to do WORK (for which landing 20+ torps is work), then his achievement should not be punished.

IN context, BB can delete a cruiser with one AP salvo in seconds... Yet, that is not absurd or morbid infraction to game balance.

30 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

cv rework has made cv completely broken

We the players broke it when 0.8.0.1 went live.

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2 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Tier 4 achieving over or near 100k? I did, in my ISHOKAZE...

umm im not achieving 100k im averaging 110k in a tier 4 ship... with some better matchmaking i think i can easily break 200k damage in the hosho and push my average to atleast 130k.

Now ive gone the extra mile to try help you understand here what im getting at, ive linked below images of leaderboards for certain ships firstly the tier 6 cvs ranger and ryujo. 

ranger.thumb.png.2b816b21defce4e6146102607d486bc4.png ranger leaderboard, ryujo.thumb.png.1a2a430b32197181311fa83b97bcfdde.png ryujo leaderboard.

So these leaderboards are the rank number 1 player for this ship on NA server based on an algorithm set by wowsnumber. As you can see the rank 1 players and highest average damage for these tier 6 cv (yes tier 6, 2 tiers higher then the tier 4 cv hosho) they DO NOT average 110k damage.

now for even further reference to how absurd these tier 4 cv are ive left an image of the rank 1 position for another tier 4 ship, your beloved isokaze that you got 100k in.

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Now as you can see for reference the isokaze leaderboard the rank 1 player does not even reach 90k let alone the 110k average damage that i easily achieved in the hosho.

hopefully by now you will understand how broken these cv are, even the 2 tier higher cv does not compete with the damage output.

i will even link the wowsnumbers page link to my stats and you can see in my recents the 6 battles i played today.

https://na.wows-numbers.com/player/1023637140,ITZ_ACE_NZ/

bear in mind as you can tell i havent played in 3 weeks because i find random battles completely unbearable i just wanted to try out this broken update wargaming added so please excuse the win rate and i will make an attempt tomorrow on really focusing to break 200k in a tier 4 cv.  :) 

 

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1 hour ago, warheart1992 said:

From a bit of testing and stat checking I did, Hosho with TA gets to 55 knots. Langley is more in the 35ish region I think, so I believe you should get better results in Hosho. 

Meanwhile Hermes is crying in a corner :etc_hide_turtle:.

 Poor old Hermes it needs a buff too so it can properly club all the new players 

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24 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

umm im not achieving 100k im averaging 110k in a tier 4 ship.

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I have.

Your views along the math stats trying to explain your views which is on the distorted side... Is wrong..

Tier 6 AND above CVs due need buffs... I agree with you... BBs in tiers 6 to 8 have to much HP, CVs should have every right to take their HP with torps... CVs toping BBs is historically accurate.

24 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

hopefully by now you will understand how broken these cv are, even the 2 tier higher cv does not compete with the damage output.

Its broken because we, not WG, broke it when 0.8.0.1 and their sibling patches went live...

What I dont understand is why is ITZ,

  • is playing a ship class he obviously hates and has disdain for,
  • is playing the class out of sabotage reasons not because he likes the class, 
  • Will for advocate someones human achievement to be nerfed ?

Right now, I love 3 CV matches... Thanks to the propaganda machine you and Ichase have put out... DDS are not the focus with rockets or bombs, I am having good games in my ISHO again...

Your distorted views of torps CV being OP has been greatly exaggerated.. Just use rudder.... Or better yet hunt them down in a torp DD... Maybe you can achieve with work what you have done in the HOSHO...

 

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I get those same numbers in a T4 BB...But... that's ok, right? Because it's a BB and not a CV? 

BBias? Selective memories, perhaps? People are quick to point out a skilled CV player and call a CV OP, yet they constantly fail to do the same with a skilled BB player? All a BB does is point, click, heal, rinse, repeat...

You're confusing "skilled" with "overpowered"...

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2 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

Right now, I love 3 CV matches... Thanks to the propaganda machine you and Ichase have put out... DDS are not the focus with rockets or bombs, I am having good games in my ISHO again...

 

3 minutes ago, Navalpride33 said:

our distorted views of torps CV being OP has been greatly exaggerated.. Just use rudder.... Or better yet hunt them down in a torp DD... Maybe you can achieve with work what you have down in the HOSHO...

At this stage i genuinely believed this was an extremely low tier troll effort, but for some reason i think you genuinely believe in what you are typing.

Im not really sure where to go from here to try convince you despite all my references, information, stats/facts and my personal experience playing this game to me it seems i need to put you in the not gona bother basket.

If you genuinely believe triple cv games are good and that all cv need buffs, in my opinion you are the problem fueling wargaming to keep decreasing the quality and health of this game.

For some of the more casual levels of game play im sure this is fun for you but for higher level of players random battles right now is unbearable and we choose to play other games until clan battles rolls around or at least until wargaming in their insightful ways ruin clan battles with cyclones,subs or cvs which then we will just drop this game completely.

 

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7 minutes ago, ElectroVeeDub said:

I get those same numbers in a T4 BB...But... that's ok, right? Because it's a BB and not a CV? 

so i went through every tier 4 bb and there isnt a single player that averages over 100k in a tier 4 battleship the highest was 96k in orion .

of course your stats are hidden so they will not be included and you are probably the greatest player to ever live and nobody has ever heard of you.

8 minutes ago, ElectroVeeDub said:

People are quick to point out a skilled CV player and call a CV OP

This statement is wildly inaccurate, even a bad player in a cv has complete domination over a super unicum in a dd.This is called not having a counterplay and is regarded as broken/overpowered.

As far as a "skilled" player comparably verse an average player in this game is incredibly easy player to spot considering the skill gap between average and good is enormous, i wouldnt consider myself to be amazing at this game but i can definitely hang with the best and can spot the difference.

If you want my experience as reference for this i play bb and part time call for the third fastest clan on NA to hurricane this season ( i wont take full credit for calling i had other super players doing that, i just yelled at dumb plays) 

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10 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

If you genuinely believe triple cv games are good and that all cv need buffs, in my opinion you are the problem fueling wargaming to keep decreasing the quality and health of this game.

Have you checked what was patch 0.8.0.1 and their sibling patches?

Torps are the must nerfed ordnance in the game currently and your asking people who manage to do 20+ torp hits, tod o more because you want them nerfs again...

Nope I think 1 CV per side is good and if you read my previous post I've stated that... I also stated, thanks to Ichase and your propaganda efforts, Rocketing and bombing DDs to death in the first 5 min is deviated to torp DMG farming... Thank you for that !

I am also not persuaded by propaganda or people who use Math (that is not reflective to the argument) to misinform the masses...

AS NOTED ABOVE This is why the game suffers greatly from ordnance discrimination at all tiers.

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16 minutes ago, ITZ_ACE_NZ said:

At this stage i genuinely believed this was an extremely low tier troll effort, but for some reason i think you genuinely believe in what you are typing.

Navalpride's whole raison d'être for using the forums is to universally oppose people -who know what they are talking about- and come up with flimsy arguments based on his extremely limited understanding of the game mechanics (reinforced by his low performances) to try and keep mechanics that are in the game that he mistakenly believes helps himself.

You'll eventually come to just ignore him like the rest of us.

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