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Somers will going worth get it?

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Somers will going worth get it?

I see some reviews... and most from dev blog looks like she is a bit... "okay", i mean, what special on she to worth get it?

+2 torps them a gearing?

I probabily will going get because i'm swimming in steel and i like dds, but its worth?

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Quick glances at the fitting tool, what Somers gets:

- less HP than Gearing, 17.3k vs 19.4k

+/- More but slower firing guns than Gearing.

+ 16.5km torps x12 instead of x10 from Gearing.

+ Stealthier than Gearing:  7.16km stock vs 7.33km of Gearing.  Stealth Build should take Somers down to 5.8km detection while Gearing goes to 5.94km.

+ Faster than Gearing, 38.6kts vs 36kts.

+ Tighter turns, 620m Turning Circle Radius vs 640m of Gearing.

- A bit worse Rudder Shift, 3.9 seconds vs 3.3 of Gearing.

 

Artillery Chart also showed that shell flight characteristics are identical.

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12 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

+ Stealthier than Gearing:  7.16km stock vs 7.33km of Gearing.

Hmm but the patch notes say:

"Good concealment for her tier: her detectability range by sea can be further reduced to 5.8 km"

Which is the same as Gearing.  So are they leaving off one of the sources of detection reduction (module, camo, captain skill) with that figure? Or did they do a last minute nerf?

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20 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Quick glances at the fitting tool, what Somers gets:

- less HP than Gearing, 17.3k vs 19.4k

+/- More but slower firing guns than Gearing.

+ 16.5km torps x12 instead of x10 from Gearing. 

+ Stealthier than Gearing:  7.16km stock vs 7.33km of Gearing.  Stealth Build should take Somers down to 5.8km detection while Gearing goes to 5.94km.

+ Faster than Gearing, 38.6kts vs 36kts. 

+ Tighter turns, 620m Turning Circle Radius vs 640m of Gearing. 

- A bit worse Rudder Shift, 3.9 seconds vs 3.3 of Gearing. 

 

Artillery Chart also showed that shell flight characteristics are identical.

Not looks so interessing... :fish_aqua:

Thx for the review.

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More guns but less dpm and less hitpoints not good for just 2 more torpedoes.

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12 minutes ago, whyme69 said:

More guns but less dpm and less hitpoints not good for just 2 more torpedoes.

It does seem to be less than impressive.  I do wonder about the comparative torp reload rates though.  If the Sommers has a much faster torp reload rate, that could be what really separates it from the Gearing.

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21 minutes ago, Crucis said:

It does seem to be less than impressive.  I do wonder about the comparative torp reload rates though.  If the Sommers has a much faster torp reload rate, that could be what really separates it from the Gearing.

The wiki lists the reload at 130 seconds base, which is slightly worse than the 122 seconds for the Gearing's 16.5km torps (the 10.5s are faster).  Another strike against it, if the wiki is accurate.  The wiki also lists a better detection range for Somers which may be one of its few saving graces... or may not be (see my earlier comment about the confusion there).

I've been excited for this ship since they announced it, and excited for a TX steel DD in general... but it's been hit with several rounds of nerfs and now it's hard to study what we know about it and stay excited.  triple launchers are good, but they're not THAT good.

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41 minutes ago, whyme69 said:

More guns but less dpm and less hitpoints not good for just 2 more torpedoes.

yep, i'm thinking the same.

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1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

+/- More but slower firing guns than Gearing.

Which one ends up w/the better overall turret DPM...& by how much?

1 hour ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

+ 16.5km torps x12 instead of x10 from Gearing.

I'm guessing that's a 2x6 configuration as opposed to a 3x4?

Are they the same specced torps...damage/speed/reload/etc.?

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54 minutes ago, HyenaHiena said:

Not looks so interessing... :fish_aqua:

Thx for the review.

Yeah it didn't look that interesting to me either.  For some reason I thought she'd be a "Tier X Benham" but then I saw the stats... Nah...

1 minute ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Which one ends up w/the better overall turret DPM...& by how much?

I'm guessing that's a 2x6 configuration as opposed to a 3x4?

Are they the same specced torps...damage/speed/reload/etc.?

According to Fitting Tool, Somers' torps are 3x4.

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3 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Yeah it didn't look that interesting to me either.  For some reason I thought she'd be a "Tier X Benham" but then I saw the stats... Nah...

According to Fitting Tool, Somers' torps are 3x4.

Sweet...much better the be able to have 3 racks...just assumed they'd make it 2x6 to keep Shima unique.

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15 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Sweet...much better the be able to have 3 racks...just assumed they'd make it 2x6 to keep Shima unique.

I double checked on the news site, just in case the Fitting Tool was wrong somehow.  Don't want to give bad gouge for a 25k Steel ship.  It is indeed 3 launchers with 4 tubes each.

 

"Her primary advantages come in the form of three quadruple-tube torpedo launchers, nice concealment and her reasonably good speed."

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1 hour ago, Brhinosaurus said:

Hmm but the patch notes say:

"Good concealment for her tier: her detectability range by sea can be further reduced to 5.8 km"

Which is the same as Gearing.  So are they leaving off one of the sources of detection reduction (module, camo, captain skill) with that figure? Or did they do a last minute nerf?

The gearing (w/all standard buffs you mentioned there) is actually 5.94...unless you equip the legendary which brings it to 5.7.

Drop in Halsey & get a double strike & you're down to 5.13...best possible T8+ detection in the game short of Arms Race detection buffs...if of course you can manage that double strike...otherwise stick to the IJN 5.4s for best detection.

 

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11 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I double checked on the news site, just in case the Fitting Tool was wrong somehow.  Don't want to give bad gouge for a 25k Steel ship.  It is indeed 3 launchers with 4 tubes each.

 

"Her primary advantages come in the form of three quadruple-tube torpedo launchers, nice concealment and her reasonably good speed."

I'll never earn that much steel anyway so it will just be another WallO'Skill for me to have to dodge...or not as the case usually ends up being...lol.

Thanx for checking though...but I was just trying to clarify for others.

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17 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

The gearing (w/all standard buffs you mentioned there) is actually 5.94...unless you equip the legendary which brings it to 5.7.

Hmm right you are, I thought it was 5.8 for some reason.  So Somers gets a half second longer to react when running into most enemy DDs.  Again, is it worth the other downsides?  Time will tell.

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I strongly advise against it; you have 20% more torpedoes in exchange for about 40% less gun dpm. This is not a good trade. It's low enough you risk losing gun fights to shimas. 

 

You do gain a few knots of speed, though, at the cost of not having the 21mm shatter plate. 

 

5 minutes ago, Brhinosaurus said:

Hmm right you are, I thought it was 5.8 for some reason.  So Somers gets a half second longer to react when running into most enemy DDs.  Again, is it worth the other downsides?  Time will tell.

That's because it is 5.8km; a bonus must have been missed or a calculations error made. The somers is just over .1km stealthier, and it ends up at 5.7km.

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