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(WIP) ITALIAN CRUISER LINE

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issues I have with the Italian cruisers, oh boy where do I start......  

♦  What is the "Mission/purpose of cruisers?

"Cruisers are often called upon to hunt down enemy destroyers, perform quick response duties, escort and protect merchant shipping or larger vessels like battleships and aircraft carriers from various threats, provide an additional layer of defense."

The RM Trento and Zara fail in that duty.  Those ships were equipped with gimmicky smoke (25 secs) and choice between fighter or spotter plane. Yes, I understand that the Italian cruisers are "test ships" but released them to testers in this state...... shocked.  Additionally, I wasted hours of my life..... grinding to try out the Italian cruisers.  They are unable to utilize abilities associated with cruisers such as hydro, radar,  DDFA.  

♦  Semi-Armor Piercing (SAP) Shells?

I'm not entirely sold on this direction using SAP rounds.  First off, I personally witnessed the Kiev (Russian destroyer) bounced SAP ammo from Zara's 203mm shells. Moreover, unlike HE rounds I was unable to disable the ship's modules, i.e. propulsion.  The Duca d'Aosta or Abruzzi never had that problem.    If WG is deadset using SAP rounds the rate of fire of the 203mm rounds will be to be lowered from 15 secs to 10 secs.  Mainly because of Italian line is unable to have damage of time (DOT) that other cruisers enjoy. 

All is not lost here! The Roma would benefit using SAP over HE. 

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40 minutes ago, Kestrel_Falcon said:

All is not lost here! The Roma would benefit using SAP over HE. 

Except the Roma is not going to get SAP. They are not going to change any of the previous Premium ships to match what the tech tree ships will have.

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The problems stated about hydro/radar, gun reload, and SAP I totally agree with. The SAP shouldn’t be on the cruisers. 

However, considering the fact that it sounds like SAP is staying, I would say the damage output to destroyers needs to be increased. It is very lacking and I find myself hesitant to fire at destroyers unless I absolutely have to.

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On 8/19/2019 at 11:37 AM, Tingent said:

Except the Roma is not going to get SAP. They are not going to change any of the previous Premium ships to match what the tech tree ships will have.

Roma won't, but you know what will? Littorio. They'll be getting a battleship line sooner or later, Littorio with SAP would be a hell of a tech tree ship at tier 8.

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Looking forward to this Line, should be good to go, but it will be weird having SAP instead of HE, with no fire chance.  Another thing they tend to gravitate to are some longer gun reload times.  16 seconds isn't unusual.  Some even have 20 seconds.  Concealment also is pretty mediocre it seems.  IX Brindisi has 12.29km detection range in Stealth Build, which is BB Stealth Level.  Tier VII Zara is 12.19km detection in Stealth Build.

Smoke Gen access starts at Tier VI.

Looking at them in the Fitting tool, I realized my Duca D'Aosta captain is useless on the ITA Cruiser Line.  But my Roma / Caesar captain using BB Stealth - Survival Build will be perfect for them.

 

AA is mostly useless on them.

Secondaries on a Cruiser?  :Smile_veryhappy:

IFHE?  I'm not certain if their SAP receives the benefit, I haven't followed their news too closely.

DE?  Can't set fires anyways.

That leaves Stealth, and the very limited Smoke charges.  1 charge for normal Smoke gen, 2 for the premium one, that's not much.  So for you guys doing PVP, I imagine Superintendent is going to be a must have skill.  That'll take the total max charges to 3.

 

One thing is for sure, this Cruiser Line will not be demanding on captain points.  10pts and you're set.

PT or PM

AR

SI

CE

And that's all you basically need to cover core aspects of the ships.

 

Another common feature are quick reloading torpedoes.  They tend to be fairly low damage torps, not too many fish in the water.  Range fluctuates quite a bit, but some have 12km torps (VII Zara) or even 13.5km (IX Brindisi), but keep in mind the concealment for these Cruisers are pretty bad.  Probably best used like IJN CAs where you drop them towards pushing enemies while you retreat.  IJN CAs can also drop lots of fish but other than Myoko, they reload slowly.  ITA CAs don't have many fish, but they reload quickly.

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Browsing around on fitting tool, another trend the ITA Tier V and up Cruisers seem to share are some mediocre Rudder Shift times.  Turning Circle Radius is fine, but Rudder Shift, not quite.

 

Edit:  Tier VI Trento's concealment with camo only is 14.1km :Smile_trollface:

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