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WG: I would happily grind a mission chain instead of selling my line for the Research Bureau. Please do it this way instead!

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The more I think about the NTC, the more I think I'm not going to do any of them. The most simple reason is that I don't want to sell my line of ships.

And the problem to this is trivial. Instead of blowing away an entire line, make a mission chain where you need the exact XP in each stage required to unlock the next ship and all of the ship modules.  Now players are still required to grind the mission chains in order (so T1 then T2 then T3, etc) but don't have to lose access to their existing ships, respecing captains, etc.

Everyone would much prefer this and you would see considerably more adoption of the NTC post-release. The stated goals of the NTC primarily were around giving players things to grind and reasons to encourage playing lower tier ships. This small change would satisfy those goals completely.

Please WG, make this change before releasing the NTC/Research Bureau! :cap_horn: 

... then again, if the whole goal of this is to burn through free XP and get people to buy "easy grind" bundles in the whale-shop, I guess maybe there's no hope for a sensible implementation

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playing lower tier is  bunch of lies when you consider that most of the matches will be in t8/9.    WG  just want you to respec captain and rebuy ships for credit sink.    They could just as easily just have cost of captain xp as well as credit if you want to skip it.    

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8 minutes ago, centarina said:

playing lower tier is  bunch of lies when you consider that most of the matches will be in t8/9.    WG  just want you to respec captain and rebuy ships for credit sink.    They could just as easily just have cost of captain xp as well as credit if you want to skip it.    

Honestly, the primary thing about this whole debacle that irritates me has nothing to do with the proposed buffs turned into the current thing.

It's that WG seems to be blatantly lying about why they are doing it.

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The NTC goals are pretty simple to me...

Give players incentive to blow a ton of free xp, doubloons and credits.

Give players with most of the lines complete something to do.

Provide a way for them to release new ships without people getting it day 1.

That's about it for me.

 

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I agree with OP.

I will probably not be choosing to reset any lines as part of this new bureau.

I would however consider working towards a personal mission of 1,000,000 modified XP attached to each TX ship in a similar manner to the legendary modules

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I still can not believe there is a group of people at Wargaming who were actually trying to figure out how to increase the grind of the game........ Then they come up with NTC, proposed it to others who agreed with them and everyone thought this would be a good addition to the game that players would enjoy................................  Such stupidity is epic. 

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I dont think you lose your current captians, just the ship and modules.

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16 minutes ago, enderland07 said:

The stated goals of the NTC primarily were around giving players things to grind and reasons to encourage playing lower tier ships.

4 minutes ago, enderland07 said:

It's that WG seems to be blatantly lying about why they are doing it.

The "playing lower tier" thing is probably not the primary reason.  It *is* a valid goal, and some players will do it, as had been amply attested right here.  It is not a lie.

So which o f the other reasons is a lie?

  • eat excess FXP and Credits
  • give terminal players something new to achieve

?

 

[Drive scrubs mad cuz they can't get the new ships?]

 

 

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1 minute ago, Taylor3006 said:

I still can not believe there is a group of people at Wargaming who were actually trying to figure out how to increase the grind of the game........ Then they come up with NTC, proposed it to others who agreed with them and everyone thought this would be a good addition to the game that players would enjoy................................  Such stupidity is epic. 

I mean, I think the idea/goals, as stated, by WG, are good. I keep clarifying the "as stated" because the implementation is such a poor means to meet those goals that I can't help but believe there are other goals which haven't been articulated.

I agree. It won't make me play lower tiers more. It will just make me not bother doing anything.

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1 minute ago, iDuckman said:

The "playing lower tier" thing is probably not the primary reason.  It *is* a valid goal, and some players will do it, as had been amply attested right here.  It is not a lie.

So which o f the other reasons is a lie?

  • eat excess FXP and Credits
  • give terminal players something new to achieve

?

 

[Drive scrubs mad cuz they can't get the new ships?]

 

 

They haven't said officially the goal is to "eat excess FXP and credits."

It's always about end game content and encouraging people to play lower tiers.

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1 minute ago, Skuggsja said:

I dont think you lose your current captians, just the ship and modules.

Existing captains go to reserve.  Existing Elite XP goes to Tier 1, where it is still usable.

Ships and modules are sold. Upgrades are dismounted to Inventory.  [What am I forgetting?]

 

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35 minutes ago, enderland07 said:

The more I think about the NTC, the more I think I'm not going to do any of them. The most simple reason is that I don't want to sell my line of ships.

And the problem to this is trivial. Instead of blowing away an entire line, make a mission chain where you need the exact XP in each stage required to unlock the next ship and all of the ship modules.  Now players are still required to grind the mission chains in order (so T1 then T2 then T3, etc) but don't have to lose access to their existing ships, respecing captains, etc.

Everyone would much prefer this and you would see considerably more adoption of the NTC post-release. The stated goals of the NTC primarily were around giving players things to grind and reasons to encourage playing lower tier ships. This small change would satisfy those goals completely.

Please WG, make this change before releasing the NTC/Research Bureau! :cap_horn: 

... then again, if the whole goal of this is to burn through free XP and get people to buy "easy grind" bundles in the whale-shop, I guess maybe there's no hope for a sensible implementation

You, me, and a lot of people.

No way I'm selling ships I kept for a reason, just to chose between regrinding them or spending money to convert "Free" XP.

But I'd actually play those ships to complete missions, since I already play those ships quite a bit -- I'd lose my mind doing nothing but tier X.

 

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26 minutes ago, Taylor3006 said:

I still can not believe there is a group of people at Wargaming who were actually trying to figure out how to increase the grind of the game........ Then they come up with NTC, proposed it to others who agreed with them and everyone thought this would be a good addition to the game that players would enjoy................................  Such stupidity is epic. 

Then they compound it by releasing this idea to near universal condemnation... and then running with it anyway.

Enderland's proposal is excellent, so you know they won't adopt it.

I can't see myself selling any of the ship lines I have, I especially don't like deleting my stats, which I earned.

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50 minutes ago, enderland07 said:

The more I think about the NTC, the more I think I'm not going to do any of them. The most simple reason is that I don't want to sell my line of ships.

And the problem to this is trivial. Instead of blowing away an entire line, make a mission chain where you need the exact XP in each stage required to unlock the next ship and all of the ship modules.  

I suggested it on day one,and I like the idea more and more...one thing I am sure of, with the system as it is now, I won't spend a second trying for it.

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4 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

Then they compound it by releasing this idea to near universal condemnation... and then running with it anyway.

Enderland's proposal is excellent, so you know they won't adopt it.

I can't see myself selling any of the ship lines I have, I especially don't like deleting my stats, which I earned.

We've been saying "just give us missions across a spread of tiers" since the original idea came out. 

WG shows no signs of listening.

 

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9 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

I can't see myself selling any of the ship lines I have, I especially don't like deleting my stats, which I earned.

I did not know about this, now it all makes sense. For years people have been whining about resetting stats, this was Wargaming's solution. Now I understand fully why we have come to where we are and who the target audience for this silliness.... 

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1 hour ago, centarina said:

playing lower tier is  bunch of lies when you consider that most of the matches will be in t8/9.    WG  just want you to respec captain and rebuy ships for credit sink.    They could just as easily just have cost of captain xp as well as credit if you want to skip it.    

I don't think that you'd necessarily want or need to respec your captains, though you would need to respecialize them, if you wanted to use your 19 point tier 10 captain.  But I think that if you intended to regrind a line the long way, you might be better off in the long run just putting in a new captain or some spare 10 point captain you have laying around and just building another high skill captain without paying to move your tier 10 captain around.  In the long run, you'd probably pay the same in respecialization costs, but you'd be building a new captain during the grind.  On the flip side, some would argue that if you did use your 19 point captain for the long hard grind, you'd be building up a lot of elite captain's XP.  Both are true, but it might be more fun to just build up a new captain.  Opinions on this would vary, no doubt.

But this is definitely a credit sink, since to maximize the new currency earnings, you have to play at least one battle at each tier along the grind, which of course requires you to rebuy each of the ships.

 

Overall, I absolutely loathe this NTC nonsense.

 

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In my opinion 

The research bureau mechanic is designed the way it is so that the whales will pay $$ to convert xp to free xp so they can skip the regrind. Taking the ships away is key to getting people to spend the free xp to get them back quicker, and ultimately getting that new T10 ship. There will be people with these new ships the day they become available, and that's OK with me. WG needs to buy shoes for their kids too. 

 

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1 hour ago, Taichunger said:

I can't see myself selling any of the ship lines I have, I especially don't like deleting my stats, which I earned.

What ??  W T F are you talking about?  Which stats?  You mean Elite XP?  Hardly "stats".

 

Look, you guys.  Which of you has actually DONE a reset?  Not a one.  I keep seeing bogus assertions, and this is the reason.

Personally, I wouldn't do one for real.  If you don't want to, that's fine.  But where is all this bulls#t about lying and ulterior motives coming from?  I'll tell you where, it's because there are ships you want that you don't want to do the requirements to get!  That's all this is.

Children.

 

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2 hours ago, Old_Baldy_One said:

Provide a way for them to release new ships without people getting it day 1.

lol there will be some that get the new ships day 1

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55 minutes ago, iDuckman said:

What ??  W T F are you talking about?  Which stats?  You mean Elite XP?  Hardly "stats".

 

Look, you guys.  Which of you has actually DONE a reset?  Not a one.  I keep seeing bogus assertions, and this is the reason.

Personally, I wouldn't do one for real.  If you don't want to, that's fine.  But where is all this bulls#t about lying and ulterior motives coming from?  I'll tell you where, it's because there are ships you want that you don't want to do the requirements to get!  That's all this is.

Children.

 

Jesus Duck. Thats totally uncalled for.

As I understand when you sell off a line the stats are reset. I dont want that.

As for the rest of your putrid crap, read the debates. Then you wont look like an utter idiotic manchild.

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6 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

Jesus Duck.

And I can now add this to my growing WoWS forum vocabulary.... I like it!

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30 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

As I understand when you sell off a line the stats are reset. I dont want that.

And I wouldn't either.  Where are you getting this?

 

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40 minutes ago, Ozium said:

lol there will be some that get the new ships day 1

If someone wants to spend upwards of 4 million to 5 million free xp, and several hundred million credits to do that....so be it.

 

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