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https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-08-07-nintendo-sony-microsoft-to-require-loot-box-odds-disclosure

It will be interesting considering WG has games on those consoles.  We might actually see what the chances are.

 

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The Entertainment Software Association has said that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are working on new policies to require loot box odds disclosure on their systems.

Entertainment Software Association chief counsel of tech policy Michael Warnecke announced the news this morning at the Federal Trade Commission's Inside the Game workshop on the loot box issue. The comments came after Warnecke recapped the industry's previous attempts to address loot box concerns: an in-game purchases label on retail titles and platform-level spending controls on consoles and the EA Origin PC storefront.

"That said, we are doing more," Warnecke said. "I'm pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.

"As well, many of the leading video game publishers of the Entertainment Software Association have decided that they are going to implement a similar approach at the publisher level to provide consumers this information and give them enhanced information to make purchase decisions."

Apple mandated lootbox odds disclosure for iOS games in 2017. Google followed suit with Google Play requirements earlier this year.

Update: The ESA has provided more details on the loot box disclosures, saying that platform holders are targeting to implement them in 2020. The trade group released a list of its member companies that have pledged to release loot box disclosure odds on all new games by the end of 2020. That list includes Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco Entertainment, Bethesda, Bungie, Electronic Arts, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony Interactive Entertainment, Take-Two Interactive, Ubisoft, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, and Wizards of the Coast.

Some notable ESA member publishers who haven't made such a commitment include 505 Games, Capcom, CI Games, Deep Silver, Disney Interactive Studios, Epic Games, Focus Home Interactive, Gearbox Publishing, GungHo, Intellivision Entertainment, Kalypso, Konami, Magic Leap, NCsoft, Natsume, Nexon, Rebellion, Riot Games, Sega, Square Enix, THQ Nordic, Tencent, and Marvelous.

 

 

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Just now, Forum_Troll said:

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-08-07-nintendo-sony-microsoft-to-require-loot-box-odds-disclosure

It will be interesting considering WG has games on those consoles.  We might actually see what the chances are.

 

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The Entertainment Software Association has said that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are working on new policies to require loot box odds disclosure on their systems.

Entertainment Software Association chief counsel of tech policy Michael Warnecke announced the news this morning at the Federal Trade Commission's Inside the Game workshop on the loot box issue. The comments came after Warnecke recapped the industry's previous attempts to address loot box concerns: an in-game purchases label on retail titles and platform-level spending controls on consoles and the EA Origin PC storefront.

"That said, we are doing more," Warnecke said. "I'm pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.

"As well, many of the leading video game publishers of the Entertainment Software Association have decided that they are going to implement a similar approach at the publisher level to provide consumers this information and give them enhanced information to make purchase decisions."

Apple mandated lootbox odds disclosure for iOS games in 2017. Google followed suit with Google Play requirements earlier this year.

Update: The ESA has provided more details on the loot box disclosures, saying that platform holders are targeting to implement them in 2020. The trade group released a list of its member companies that have pledged to release loot box disclosure odds on all new games by the end of 2020. That list includes Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco Entertainment, Bethesda, Bungie, Electronic Arts, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony Interactive Entertainment, Take-Two Interactive, Ubisoft, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, and Wizards of the Coast.

Some notable ESA member publishers who haven't made such a commitment include 505 Games, Capcom, CI Games, Deep Silver, Disney Interactive Studios, Epic Games, Focus Home Interactive, Gearbox Publishing, GungHo, Intellivision Entertainment, Kalypso, Konami, Magic Leap, NCsoft, Natsume, Nexon, Rebellion, Riot Games, Sega, Square Enix, THQ Nordic, Tencent, and Marvelous.

 

 

I know I for one would appreciate knowing the exact percentage change of at least normal vs try your luck with regard to upgrading to a super container.

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I've been getting around 6% this year for TYL. 

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@turdjelly the 3 daily containers including the try your luck are not loot boxes. They are rewards given just for playing.

Loot boxes are those bought with real cash or doubloons since they represent real cash.

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but the PC chances can be different than that for consoles, but does give good general idea

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54 minutes ago, Forum_Troll said:

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2019-08-07-nintendo-sony-microsoft-to-require-loot-box-odds-disclosure

It will be interesting considering WG has games on those consoles.  We might actually see what the chances are.

 

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The Entertainment Software Association has said that Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are working on new policies to require loot box odds disclosure on their systems.

Entertainment Software Association chief counsel of tech policy Michael Warnecke announced the news this morning at the Federal Trade Commission's Inside the Game workshop on the loot box issue. The comments came after Warnecke recapped the industry's previous attempts to address loot box concerns: an in-game purchases label on retail titles and platform-level spending controls on consoles and the EA Origin PC storefront.

"That said, we are doing more," Warnecke said. "I'm pleased to announce this morning that Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony have indicated to ESA a commitment to new platform policies with respect to the use of paid loot boxes in games that are developed for their platform. Specifically, this would apply to new games and game updates that add loot box features. And it would require the disclosure of the relative rarity or probabilities of obtaining randomized virtual items in games that are available on their platforms.

"As well, many of the leading video game publishers of the Entertainment Software Association have decided that they are going to implement a similar approach at the publisher level to provide consumers this information and give them enhanced information to make purchase decisions."

Apple mandated lootbox odds disclosure for iOS games in 2017. Google followed suit with Google Play requirements earlier this year.

Update: The ESA has provided more details on the loot box disclosures, saying that platform holders are targeting to implement them in 2020. The trade group released a list of its member companies that have pledged to release loot box disclosure odds on all new games by the end of 2020. That list includes Activision Blizzard, Bandai Namco Entertainment, Bethesda, Bungie, Electronic Arts, Microsoft, Nintendo, Sony Interactive Entertainment, Take-Two Interactive, Ubisoft, Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment, and Wizards of the Coast.

Some notable ESA member publishers who haven't made such a commitment include 505 Games, Capcom, CI Games, Deep Silver, Disney Interactive Studios, Epic Games, Focus Home Interactive, Gearbox Publishing, GungHo, Intellivision Entertainment, Kalypso, Konami, Magic Leap, NCsoft, Natsume, Nexon, Rebellion, Riot Games, Sega, Square Enix, THQ Nordic, Tencent, and Marvelous.

 

 

This is going to do more harm than good in WOWS.

Stupid people don't understand how probability works; they think it's like the current Mogador thing where eventually if you buy all thirty boxes you WILL get the ship. But it's not.

Tell the world that a $5 crate has a 1 in 2000 chance of giving him a Belfast, SOMEBODY is going to be so stupid as to buy 2000 crates and complain when he didn't get that ship.

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2 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

This is going to do more harm than good in WOWS.

Stupid people don't understand how probability works; they think it's like the current Mogador thing where eventually if you buy all thirty boxes you WILL get the ship. But it's not.

Tell the world that a $5 crate has a 1 in 2000 chance of giving him a Belfast, SOMEBODY is going to be so stupid as to buy 2000 crates and complain when he didn't get that ship.

I wish you were wrong.

Edit:  At least about the last part.

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ITT: Obvious real money gambling mechanic gets targeted for gambling regulation, and people act like it's a bad thing.

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12 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

ITT: Obvious real money gambling mechanic gets targeted for gambling regulation, and people act like it's a bad thing.

If people see the actual odds of getting the thing, sales are going to hurt.

When sales hurt WG is going to have to increase the odds to promote more sales.  Increasing the odds will more than likely cause WG to equally increase the prices of their crates over time, to maintain the same income.

The likely net result of this, if it effects WG, will be increased prices for all players. What isn't going to happen is WG suddenly provides the odds and everything else stays the same.

Some might view that as a good thing and some might view that as a bad thing.

 

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8 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

ITT: Obvious real money gambling mechanic gets targeted for gambling regulation, and people act like it's a bad thing.

The law of unintended consequences is going to hurt innocent people because heavy-handed nosey parkers want to "help".

That's what I see happening here.

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5 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The law of unintended consequences is going to hurt innocent people because heavy-handed nosey parkers want to "help".

That's what I see happening here.

Cuz people don’t have a right to know what they are buying. Got it. 

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2 minutes ago, Thornir said:

Cuz people don’t have a right to know what they are buying. Got it. 

The problem is going to be people who are too stupid or ill-educated to make correct use of the information that will be given to them.

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Just now, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The problem is going to be people who are too stupid or ill-educated to make correct use of the information that will be given to them.

Open a new notepad and type "That's not how odds work."  Save it as "WoWs forum".  Copy paste as needed :Smile_veryhappy:

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1 minute ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

The problem is going to be people who are too stupid or ill-educated to make correct use of the information that will be given to them.

Doesn't mean they shouldn't know the information.

I'm pretty sure the way the companies are going, quoted odds are going to be a thing.

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20 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

ITT: Obvious real money gambling mechanic gets targeted for gambling regulation, and people act like it's a bad thing.

Who did that before you posted?

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People buy lottery tickets all the time knowing full well the odd's are severely stacked against them.
I don't see this having too much affect at all really. People want the shiny, they'll buy the box that might have it.

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18 minutes ago, SpudZero said:

People buy lottery tickets all the time knowing full well the odd's are severely stacked against them.
I don't see this having too much affect at all really. People want the shiny, they'll buy the box that might have it.

Yep.

I wonder if sales would go up?

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2 hours ago, DrHolmes52 said:

Yep.

I wonder if sales would go up?

It honestly depends on the item in the loot box.  If it was a major item, probably be the same as now.  If it it was a small item probably not.  Knowing chances will severely polarize purchases.

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