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The average impressions on Tier 10 Battleships

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  1. Yamato (Japan)
    • Pros
      • 18.1 inch main caliber guns that can overmatch up to 32mm bows (Republique, etc)
      • Quite sturdy when bow on
      • Great torpedo protection
    • Cons
      • Cheeky citadel (lewd) 
      • Very very sluggish, ship itself and turret traverse
      • Not the top AA
  2. Montana (USA)
    • Pros
      • Very accurate guns
      • Heavy hitting 'murica freedom SHS shells : great for citadeling and hitting deck armors for bow on targets. 
      • Great AA
      • Good maneuverability
      • Waterline citadel makes it trolly to hit.
      • Can opt to slot secondaries or AA without forsaking accuracy.
    • Cons
      • Very slow shells, bad for sniping
      • Vulnerable to IFHE spam
  3. Grosser Kurfurst (German)
    • Pros
      • Very tanky, great health pool
      • Good secondaries that pen 31(128mm), 34(150mm), with IFHE all can pen 32mm (most bows of battleships)
      • German hydro 6k
      • Turtleback armor scheme, making it hard to citadel at close distances
      • Fast turret traverse
    • Cons
      • Gets a lot of pens everywhere
      • Very big and sluggish, easy to hit
      • German gun dispersion
      • BAD BAD concealment
  4. Republique (French)
    • Pros
      • Very accurate guns, good pen even at distances
      • Great HE rivaling Conq fire chance
      • Engine boost for flanking and kiting
      • Good maneuverability
      • High fire chance secondaries with long-range
      • French turtleback, not as sturdy, but still usable
    • Cons
      • 32mm everywhere (vulnerable to IFHE spam and nose cits)
      • Guns in A-X position + 8 guns (need to show a lot of broadside for a full salvo)
      • Secondaries are made of glass
  5. Conquerer (British)
  6. Kremlin (Russian)

 

Well, that was my impression of the 5 ships of the tech tree as an average player.

I haven't got the Conq or Kremlin yet, so not much to put on here :)

 

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The Kurfurst has a cheeky citadel just like the Yamato does, but it's not as apparent and easy to hit.  But, it's definitely there.  It's a huge flaw in the armor scheme of high tier German battleships, but if you're ~36-45 degrees off their bow, you can citadel them right under their forward turret.

On the plus side, under the new HE penetration rule outlined in the potential/test IFHE change thread, the base penetration on the Kurfurst's 128mm guns should change from 31mm to 32mm.

That.  Is.  Going.  To.  Rock.

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Kremlin exists. And has a higher HP pool than Kurfuerst IIRC.

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12 minutes ago, Lert said:

Kremlin exists. And has a higher HP pool than Kurfuerst IIRC.

oh yeah I forgot about that. Only got that line up Sinop.

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18 minutes ago, Ranari said:

The Kurfurst has a cheeky citadel just like the Yamato does, but it's not as apparent and easy to hit.  But, it's definitely there.  It's a huge flaw in the armor scheme of high tier German battleships, but if you're ~36-45 degrees off their bow, you can citadel them right under their forward turret.

On the plus side, under the new HE penetration rule outlined in the potential/test IFHE change thread, the base penetration on the Kurfurst's 128mm guns should change from 31mm to 32mm.

That.  Is.  Going.  To.  Rock.

Never knew that! That explains a lot of things actually. Thanks.

Ooh so when they nerf the IFHE they are going to buff the 128s? Bye bye IFHE secondaries

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I think your a bit off with the Yamato and Montana. You forgot the ridiculous accuracy of the main guns on the Yamato. 18.1 with 2.1 sigma. I think of the Yamato more as a fort.

You said that Montana has a big vulnerable citadel and slow shells. Unlike the Conqueror and the Republic, the Montana does have a citadel, and if you are doing something stupid it will get hit. But it's not a weakness. It's waterline, and decently protected with no weird angles or anything. It's actually perfect IMO, do something dumb and you get paddled, but otherwise you're not going to get citadeled. Not sure why you say it's huge, especially after they lowered it.

And yeah, the guns aren't the fastest, but have you tried playing USN cruisers? Those are slow shells. Monty doesn't have the fastest shells, but I've never considered them slow. I'd say they're dead average. The dispersion is a bit wonky, but the accuracy upgrade and the 12 guns mostly make up for that.

Had a chuckle at the good maneuverability, definitely true compared to the other T10 BBs, but none of the T10 BBs are exactly nimble overall.

Good analysis though, pretty much on point.

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1 minute ago, AJTP89 said:

Montana does have a citadel, and if you are doing something stupid it will get hit. But it's not a weakness. It's waterline, and decently protected with no weird angles or anything. It's actually perfect IM

Oh I do agree with you there. But then there isn't much cons to put on, so ;p.

2 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

yeah, the guns aren't the fastest, but have you tried playing USN cruisers? Those are slow shells. Monty doesn't have the fastest shells, but I've never considered them slow. I'd say they're dead avera

I play a lot of USN cruisers overall, and yes Monty's shells aren't really that slow. But compared to other T10 BBs, slower. I had to put something as a con!

Monty really feels like a JoAT type of ship. Has a lot of small pros, but not the best. (Best at aa, though)

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Also, Montana citadel is very hard to hit... if your saying that you got cited a lot.. then your playing her wrong.

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6 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Yamato. 18.1 with 2.1 sigma. I think of the Yamato more as a fort. 

Ah I'll add that. Yes the accuracy is what makes it shine!

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2 minutes ago, Carbapenem_17 said:

Oh I do agree with you there. But then there isn't much cons to put on, so ;p.

Then dont put it.. Wrong info confuse people and is not helpful

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1 minute ago, Nagato_Kai__Ni said:

Also, Montana citadel is very hard to hit... if your saying that you got cited a lot.. then your playing her wrong.

I don't get cit a lot, but had to write sonething as a con anyway.

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3 minutes ago, Nagato_Kai__Ni said:

Then dont put it.. Wrong info confuse people and is not helpful

Fixed it up

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6 minutes ago, Carbapenem_17 said:

Oh I do agree with you there. But then there isn't much cons to put on, so ;p.

I play a lot of USN cruisers overall, and yes Monty's shells aren't really that slow. But compared to other T10 BBs, slower. I had to put something as a con!

Monty really feels like a JoAT type of ship. Has a lot of small pros, but not the best. (Best at aa, though)

Yeah, the high tier USN BBs are basically good at everything, with no glaring weaknesses, but do not excel at any one thing. Makes them very solid all around ships useful in all situations. 

And the their AA is excellent. But I'm not sure Monty is the best anymore. Doesn't Conqueror's and maybe even Kremlin's AA exceed hers? Probably depends on the way you look at it, and no one can really say for sure with the way AA is in constant flux right now.

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3 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

And the their AA is excellent. But I'm not sure Monty is the best anymore. Doesn't Conqueror's and maybe even Kremlin's AA exceed her

Ah haven't looked into it after the rework. Let's go with Good AA then.

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