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I was running parallel to a fleeing tier 7 Akizuki in my tier 8 Z-23 with the 150mm's at 3km distance and saw every salvo contact his side (zoomed in). Only 1 shell did something but there wasnt even any damage.

What gives, are all the 150mm shells going right through??? Are the  smaller guns better in these situations?

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You encountered damage saturation. The section(s) you were hitting had taken all the damage they could so everything is a big goose egg. Try hitting another part of the target.

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6 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

You encountered damage saturation. The section(s) you were hitting had taken all the damage they could so everything is a big goose egg. Try hitting another part of the target.

I know how the mechanic works,  but come on. That literally sounds like the dumbest thing I have ever heard every time I hear it. If the hull is saturated then the ship should be dead. I put 6 salvos into the hull of a Wooster that was on 375hp guess what he effing killed me from 3/4 health in a Minotaur. Seriously stupid mechanic. 

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6 minutes ago, IronMike11C4O said:

I know how the mechanic works,  but come on. That literally sounds like the dumbest thing I have ever heard every time I hear it. If the hull is saturated then the ship should be dead.

 

6 hours ago, BrushWolf said:

You encountered damage saturation. The section(s) you were hitting had taken all the damage they could so everything is a big goose egg. Try hitting another part of the target.

^^ nowhere in this did he say 'hull'. He said 'section'. Just because a section is blown out, does not compromise the rest of the ship.

While this is not a simulator, there are numerous instances of ships losing major hull sections and remaining afloat. 

Just some examples of 'saturated bow sections'.

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Great photos!  And they DO demonstrate that, hey, if you hit this "bow" again, you'll be hitting water, hence, no damage.  There are also numerous historical examples of ships that received unbelievable topside (i.e., superstructure) damage, but maintained hull integrity and returned to port under their own power.  Several such examples can be found among the radar picket destroyers at Okinawa.  Topsides a shambles, but still underway.

That said...it would be a different story in the photos above if it were the stern section that was missing.  Even more so if it were the midships section (kinda what citadal hits are all about).  But, doesn't bother me.  It's a game, not a simulation.

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1 hour ago, Midshipman_Hornblower said:

That said...it would be a different story in the photos above if it were the stern section that was missing.

Actually.........

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8 hours ago, MudRaker227 said:

I was running parallel to a fleeing tier 7 Akizuki in my tier 8 Z-23 with the 150mm's at 3km distance and saw every salvo contact his side (zoomed in). Only 1 shell did something but there wasnt even any damage.

What gives, are all the 150mm shells going right through??? Are the  smaller guns better in these situations?

I have the same problem sometimes with destroyer vs destroyer. It is just one of quirks of the game. I aim for the waterline, when it happens.

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3 hours ago, IronMike11C4O said:

I know how the mechanic works,  but come on. That literally sounds like the dumbest thing I have ever heard every time I hear it. If the hull is saturated then the ship should be dead. I put 6 salvos into the hull of a Wooster that was on 375hp guess what he effing killed me from 3/4 health in a Minotaur. Seriously stupid mechanic. 

It sounds like your logic is flawed, you might need to have that conversation with yourself. 

The one where you either come to terms with how the game is, or leave because the game is not how you want it to be.

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26 minutes ago, Salvo_Creative said:

It sounds like your logic is flawed, you might need to have that conversation with yourself. 

The one where you either come to terms with how the game is, or leave because the game is not how you want it to be.

Your opinion like your hidden stats mean zero, Hero have a good day.

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3 hours ago, Lord_Slayer said:

 

^^ nowhere in this did he say 'hull'. He said 'section'. Just because a section is blown out, does not compromise the rest of the ship.

While this is not a simulator, there are numerous instances of ships losing major hull sections and remaining afloat. 

Just some examples of 'saturated bow sections'.

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Reading comprehension is OP, re-read what he wrote. What did he mean by side? Side of the Conning Tower? Side of the torpedo rack? Side of the turret? Side of the Forecastle?

It is implied versus specified which I can see might trip you up forcing you to go on a picture spamming spree.

Also every single one of those ships was what after those incidents? Yeah thats right completely out of action. Not just merrily sailing along after those incidents. 

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11 hours ago, MudRaker227 said:

I was running parallel to a fleeing tier 7 Akizuki in my tier 8 Z-23 with the 150mm's at 3km distance and saw every salvo contact his side (zoomed in). 

^ this tells me he shot at the side of the ship.

 

55 minutes ago, IronMike11C4O said:

Reading comprehension is OP, re-read what he wrote. What did he mean by side? Side of the Conning Tower? Side of the torpedo rack? Side of the turret? Side of the Forecastle?

It is implied versus specified which I can see might trip you up forcing you to go on a picture spamming spree.

Also every single one of those ships was what after those incidents? Yeah thats right completely out of action. Not just merrily sailing along after those incidents. 

Tell me, do you often troll here?

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5 hours ago, Midshipman_Hornblower said:

Great photos!  And they DO demonstrate that, hey, if you hit this "bow" again, you'll be hitting water, hence, no damage.  There are also numerous historical examples of ships that received unbelievable topside (i.e., superstructure) damage, but maintained hull integrity and returned to port under their own power.  Several such examples can be found among the radar picket destroyers at Okinawa.  Topsides a shambles, but still underway.

That said...it would be a different story in the photos above if it were the stern section that was missing.  Even more so if it were the midships section (kinda what citadal hits are all about).  But, doesn't bother me.  It's a game, not a simulation.

The USS San Fransisco during the First Naval Battle of Guadalcanal is an example of being completely wrecked topside but completely intact below that. Damage saturation while irritating is actually historical.

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12 hours ago, MudRaker227 said:

I was running parallel to a fleeing tier 7 Akizuki in my tier 8 Z-23 with the 150mm's at 3km distance and saw every salvo contact his side (zoomed in). Only 1 shell did something but there wasnt even any damage.

What gives, are all the 150mm shells going right through??? Are the  smaller guns better in these situations?

Would need a replay to tell you exactly what happened, but it's most likely either damage saturation or a severe latency issue.  In the past there has been an issue where the game desyncs from your point of view, and you may seem to be hitting the target, but in reality the target is several hundred meters ahead of where they look to be.  

Damage saturation would happen if you are actually getting ribbons for shell hits with no damage.  

Edit; forgot one thing.  If you're shooting AP at him while he was angled in or out, you will ricochet most of your salvo. 

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3 hours ago, IronMike11C4O said:

Your opinion like your hidden stats mean zero, Hero have a good day.

oh no, the dude with less than 200 battles is quickly clinging to stat shaming oh no, whatever will I do. 

You haven't even played any games at tier 8 yet, go get some game knowledge in you before you go thinking you're king buddy :P
 

Edit: You also Payed to win from tier 5 to tier 7..... you have 10 battles in tier 6 then you bought a ship and started playing at tier 7. 

You have more posts on the forum than you have games......

Was this a troll post? I feel that you know how inexperienced you are LOL 

Take a seat kid, games only about to get harder for you.

Enjoy

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Didnt mean to get heated debates going on this topic, lol. Sorry guys.

Yes, I was completely parallel to him sending AP shells his way (after unloading torp spreads to make his fleeting day even more exciting). So no bouncing rounds off his side (hull), and I did watch them impact with no explosions. They almost seemed like the ubiquitous WoT "ghost rounds", lol. I was zoomed  in fully so couldnt see the whole of his vessel, just the area ahead of his citadel probably.

He was very low health, so that probably  supports the case for section saturation. Im still learning the intricacies of this game, so had to ask those of you who know substantially more. Thanks for all the input!

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On 7/16/2019 at 4:29 AM, Lord_Slayer said:

 

^^ nowhere in this did he say 'hull'. He said 'section'. Just because a section is blown out, does not compromise the rest of the ship.

While this is not a simulator, there are numerous instances of ships losing major hull sections and remaining afloat. 

Just some examples of 'saturated bow sections'.

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I remember reading in "Japanese Destroyer Captain," one of the surviving DDs that escorted Yamato for her suicide sortie, took a nasty hit from the American air attack that blew her bow off.   It was bad enough that she had to sail back to Japan in reverse.  But after damage like this, these ships were in no condition to continue fighting where they took such hits.

 

Really nasty stuff, and one has to wonder about modern naval weapons and what they can do.

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9 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

 But after damage like this, these ships were in no condition to continue fighting where they took such hits.

True, but I think its situational. Where able, yes, a ship will pull itself out of action and fall back.

But not all ships can pull back. Bismarck, Yamato, Johnston, Samuel B Roberts, there are many instances of ships that took severe damage and simply could not get away and fought to destruction.

In this game, due to map size and the borders, a ship simply cannot leave the engagement area. They can hide to a point, but they can be basically caught in a spot with nowhere to turn.

 

9 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Really nasty stuff, and one has to wonder about modern naval weapons and what they can do.

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On 7/16/2019 at 1:18 PM, Salvo_Creative said:

oh no, the dude with less than 200 battles is quickly clinging to stat shaming oh no, whatever will I do. 

You haven't even played any games at tier 8 yet, go get some game knowledge in you before you go thinking you're king buddy :P
 

Edit: You also Payed to win from tier 5 to tier 7..... you have 10 battles in tier 6 then you bought a ship and started playing at tier 7. 

You have more posts on the forum than you have games......

Was this a troll post? I feel that you know how inexperienced you are LOL 

Take a seat kid, games only about to get harder for you.

Enjoy

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That is his alt account, I think he is actually a decent player. Sometimes, talking out of the side of your neck is fruitless.

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Yesterday I had 1 common penetration badge without any damage, I know that for sure as it was the first salvo I fired. 

Could it be related to this topic? 

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1 hour ago, Ghostar_1 said:

Yesterday I had 1 common penetration badge without any damage, I know that for sure as it was the first salvo I fired. 

Could it be related to this topic? 

It could be 2 things, but that also depends on what you were shooting at.

Yes, it could have been damage saturation.

The other possibility is the torpedo bulge. In a recent update, you can now hit the torpedo bulge and get no damage from a penetration. Alot of the BBs have a torpedo bulge.

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