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So I unlocked Hill today and played it a couple times. It seems the same as Nicholas. One extra turret but with a slower reload which gives the same DPM. -1 torp launcher. Nicholas stock conceal is the same as Hill max conceal? Am I missing something here?

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It IS basically the same as Nicholas. Think of it as a premium Nicholas where captains don't need retraining. Slightly better guns, slightly worse torps.

LittleWhiteMouse summed it up here

Where Hill is Better than Nicholas:

  • + Hill has 5 guns to Nicholas' 4.
  • + Hill has an 11.3km range to Nicholas' 10.9km.
  • + Hill has better main battery firing angles than Nicholas.
  • + Hill has better long-range AA firepower.
  • + Hill has a top speed of 37.5kts to Nicholas' 37kts.
  • + Hill has a 560m turning radius to Nicholas' 600m radius.
  • + Hill turns at 8.6º/s, Nicholas turns at 7.9º/s.
  • + Hill has premium economy, Nicholas does not.
  • + Hill has TWO permanent camouflage options, Nicholas doesn't have access to any.

Where Hill is Worse than Nicholas:

  • - Hill has 12,100hp to Nicholas' 13,100hp.
  • - Hill's hull armour is no thicker than 10mm, Nicholas has 13mm amidship decks and a 15mm hull.
  • - Hill reloads in 4.7s, Nicholas in 4.0s.
  • - Hill has three triple torpedo launchers, Nicholas has four.
  • - Hill has worse torpedo fire angles than Nicholas.
  • - Hill has worse short-range AA firepower.
  • - Hill has has a larger surface detection of 7.38km to Nicholas' 6.66km
  • - Hill has a larger aerial detection of 2.85km to Nicholas' 2.45km.
  • - Hill is visible in smoke from 2.75km compared to Nicholas' 2.49km.
  • - Nicholas can swap her Engine Boost for Defensive AA Fire.

 

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What?!? You aren’t just all atwitter with giddiness and excitement over the mind numbing, err... intense and thrilling grind, err... set of tasks you had to perform to get it?!? :cap_fainting:

What is the point, indeed.

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Why do you think Hill could be attained for free? :Smile_trollface:

 

Compare that to Benham where some have already forked out big money for a 16 torpedo DD (never mind that already exists in Shimakaze with 15 :Smile_trollface:)

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I unlocked it today too, played the 1 game required for the 3 fuel token, will never touch it again.

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You unlocked the Hill.

You meant to say that you unlocked a free port slot right??

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It was about the fuel for the benham, not really the hill itself.

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She’s forgettable, but messing around in low tier premiums can be fun. After playing so many four-gun US DDs, I find her five gun set-up to be novel at her tier. 

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13 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Why do you think Hill could be attained for free? :Smile_trollface:

 

Compare that to Benham where some have already forked out big money for a 16 torpedo DD (never mind that already exists in Shimakaze with 15 :Smile_trollface:)

"Good" free ships exist too! e.g. Kamikaze R

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16 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill has 5 guns to Nicholas' 4.

And if you swing broadside to use all 5 you'll be dead soon.

17 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill has an 11.3km range to Nicholas' 10.9km.

And USN floaty gun arcs make that a "so what" kind of a point.

18 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill has better long-range AA firepower.

Which doesn't matter at all since at tier 4 you're OK and at tier 6 you're meat.

19 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill has better main battery firing angles than Nicholas.

But since most of your battles will be at less tan 5 Km it's like a "meh" kind of point.

20 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill has a top speed of 37.5kts to Nicholas' 37kts.

Which means in 12 kilometers you'll outrun one in the other.

22 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill's hull armour is no thicker than 10mm, Nicholas has 13mm amidship decks and a 15mm hull.

Which means nothing when you get hit with cruiser 155s.

23 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

Hill has has a larger surface detection of 7.38km to Nicholas' 6.66km

This is HUGE, and for me the ONLY important statistic.

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13 minutes ago, monoace said:

You unlocked the Hill.

You meant to say that you unlocked a free port slot right??

Oh... I didn’t realize Hill was a Christmas tank, I thought it was a ship. :Smile_trollface:

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Just now, Estimated_Prophet said:

Oh... I didn’t realize Hill was a Christmas tank, I thought it was a ship. :Smile_trollface:

Keep the Hill lest a SC "rewards" you with it.

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Just now, henrychenhenry said:

Then Hill is objectively worse.

I could have told you that by just looking at the detection ranges.

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11 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

It was about the fuel for the benham, not really the hill itself.

Kind of like the Holidays with WG selling the PEF.  The BB itself isn't all that, it's actually pretty mediocre.  But people really bought it for the Steel Monsters campaign.  But Steel Monsters was a far bigger deal because Steel is a very rare resource except for Ranked & Clan Battle players.

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2 minutes ago, Umikami said:

Which doesn't matter at all since at tier 4 you're OK and at tier 6 you're meat.

Pretty much?

My experience has been that Nich murders T4 planes, and with its DFAA can still make T6’s sit up and take notice.

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4 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Kind of like the Holidays with WG selling the PEF.  The BB itself isn't all that, it's actually pretty mediocre.  But people really bought it for the Steel Monsters campaign.  But Steel Monsters was a far bigger deal because Steel is a very rare resource except for Ranked & Clan Battle players.

Correct. The value here was in the fuel. If you bought the hill on day one, you got 75 extra fuel via the missions.  Then when you earned the hill again via the game, you got your money back in doubloons.

Basically if you invested in some doubloons, WG gave you extra leeway as a bonus on the Benham grind.

The hill is an ok ship but it's not really the value item.

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5 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Pretty much?

My experience has been that Nich murders T4 planes, and with its DFAA can still make T6’s sit up and take notice.

Tier 6 depends on the CV driver, tier 4 not so much.

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2 hours ago, Zenn3k said:

I unlocked it today too, played the 1 game required for the 3 fuel token, will never touch it again.

You do realize that's a daily mission.  You really think they'd give a single mission for 3 fuel?  I know WG does some weird stuff but come on!

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2 hours ago, Zenn3k said:

I unlocked it today too, played the 1 game required for the 3 fuel token, will never touch it again.

Oh, come on.  Play it for the 3 fuel tokens (if you still need them) once a day until the event is over at least.  No need to throw away free fuel tokens (as long as you need them).

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2 hours ago, henrychenhenry said:

"Good" free ships exist too! e.g. Kamikaze R

And the KamiR event was a LONG time ago.   And frankly, at that time, the KamiR wasn't all that special, beyond being a premium.  It was actually slightly worse than a fully upgraded Minekaze.  Of course, since the big IJN torp nerf, the KamiR (and her sisters) became relatively more powerful.

Frankly, it's been a long time since there was a good tier 5 premium, unless one thinks that Exeter is "good".

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Pretty much?

My experience has been that Nich murders T4 planes, and with its DFAA can still make T6’s sit up and take notice.

I just shot down 30 in the Hill right after a match where I got 28. Back to back eff off sky cancer games. I even warned the CV players but they just kept coming. Full AA spec Hill is no joke.

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20 minutes ago, I_Potato_Ther4_I_Yam said:

You do realize that's a daily mission.  You really think they'd give a single mission for 3 fuel?  I know WG does some weird stuff but come on!

Oh it is?  Neato, 1 co-op mission per day for the rest of the week then.

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9 minutes ago, Crucis said:

And the KamiR event was a LONG time ago.   And frankly, at that time, the KamiR wasn't all that special, beyond being a premium.  It was actually slightly worse than a fully upgraded Minekaze.  Of course, since the big IJN torp nerf, the KamiR (and her sisters) became relatively more powerful.

Frankly, it's been a long time since there was a good tier 5 premium, unless one thinks that Exeter is "good".

 

 

 

I don't, in it's release it means RN still doesn't have a Captain trainer for cruisers. 

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When Nicholas goes North, he becomes Santa Claus.

When Hill goes under, he becomes Frodo.

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