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As a full fledged Yamato class battleship as she was originally planned?

 

She could be a tier X premium, replacing the Yamato and Musashi's 12.7 cm secondaries for the 10cm guns, along with the 40mm bofors for AA. She could have some tweeks to her performance as well. Would be a better alternative than introducing her as a badly constructed CV.

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9 minutes ago, TsundereMusashi said:

As a full fledged Yamato class battleship as she was originally planned?

 

She could be a tier X premium, replacing the Yamato and Musashi's 12.7 cm secondaries for the 10cm guns, along with the 40mm bofors for AA. She could have some tweeks to her performance as well. Would be a better alternative than introducing her as a badly constructed CV.

But Hakuryu is a fake!

Why Bofors?

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But why? Seriously, what would she do that Yamato and Musashi don’t already?

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2 minutes ago, SkaerKrow said:

But why? Seriously, what would she do that Yamato and Musashi don’t already?

Have Yamato's actual late war full AA refit, for one.

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3 minutes ago, SkaerKrow said:

But why? Seriously, what would she do that Yamato and Musashi don’t already?

have a slightly thinner belt? Tier 8 premium confirmed?

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No since she has more historical value as the CV. Add her when they introduce subs and USS Archerfish. 

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Just now, Wows_Nightly_News said:

have a slightly thinner belt? Tier 8 premium confirmed?

With her main guns? Her armor was planned to be only marginally thinner. It would be hilarious to have her at T8.

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3 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

Have Yamato's actual late war full AA refit, for one.

It takes something like 32 torpedo hits from a Midway to sink a Yamato as it is. 

Increasing it's AA effectiveness would make that worse.  Game balance has to be considered over historical accuracy.

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1 minute ago, Florendo19 said:

No since she has more historical value as the CV. Add her when they introduce subs and USS Archerfish. 

What historical value? She was a joke, and something the USN can point to and laugh at when discussing bad ideas. 

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6 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

It takes something like 32 torpedo hits from a Midway to sink a Yamato as it is. 

Increasing it's AA effectiveness would make that worse.  Game balance has to be considered over historical accuracy.

You asked what would make it different. You just didn't like the answer you got.

7 minutes ago, Florendo19 said:

No since she has more historical value as the CV. Add her when they introduce subs and USS Archerfish. 

The historical value of CV Shinano is "sunk while under construction". It's not much better than Graf Zeppelin in that regard, who at least has the novelty of being the only German carrier that was actually laid down.

5 minutes ago, TsundereMusashi said:

What historical value? She was a joke, and something the USN can point to and laugh at when discussing bad ideas. 

See above. Not really a joke. Shinano was the ship equivalent of blowing up an ambulance moving a patient from one hospital to another.

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Just now, TsundereMusashi said:

What historical value? She was a joke, and something the USN can point to and laugh at when discussing bad ideas. 

Largest Warship sunk by a submarine seems pretty historically important.  Yes she might have been better had she been completed as a BB but they made her a CV and thats how I think she should be added to game if ever. Lexington in game is a CV and not a Battle Cruiser. While I think both versions could make it in game I think the one that was built(even if poorly) should be the one added first.

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If completed (with water-tight compartments), it would likely have been armed with fighters, and act as a relay ship to extend the range of land based planes.

In reality, if Archerfish didn't sink her, the Shinano would have been parked in Tokyo Harbor and likely end up in US hands at the end of the war.

The US had a nasty habit of blowing war reparations up, but this one was special enough to take an interest in.  Hmmmmm... 

Maybe the RN might want the thing.

 

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2 minutes ago, Florendo19 said:

Largest Warship sunk by a submarine seems pretty historically important.  Yes she might have been better had she been completed as a BB but they made her a CV and thats how I think she should be added to game if ever. Lexington in game is a CV and not a Battle Cruiser. While I think both versions could make it in game I think the one that was built(even if poorly) should be the one added first.

Calling it a "warship" in that state is pretty generous.

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8 minutes ago, Burnsy said:

It takes something like 32 torpedo hits from a Midway to sink a Yamato as it is. 

Increasing it's AA effectiveness would make that worse.  Game balance has to be considered over historical accuracy.

Midway torps are a joke. They are basically tier IV torps on a tier X ship.

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So...basically she would just be a marginally different Yamato? Then without a gimmick added on, there’s no way that she’ll be added as anything other than a CV. What gimmick (special consumable, emphasized playstyle, etc) would be appropriate for her? 

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12 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

You asked what would make it different. You just didn't like the answer you got.

 

I didn't ask. Skaercrow did.

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5 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

Calling it a "warship" in that state is pretty generous.

Still a good bit more real than many ships in game. Don't get me wrong I like a lot of the paper ships, its just I feel that ones that sailed should get preference when added to game over the paper ones

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12 minutes ago, henrychenhenry said:

But Hakuryu is a fake!

Why Bofors?

Yes it is fake but the way the Shinano was built she would have had an air wing of IIRC 45 planes which is barely tier 6. The other 60 or so planes were in storage.

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29 minutes ago, Florendo19 said:

Midway torps are a joke. They are basically tier IV torps on a tier X ship.

Yet, that is a T10 CV that it often faces.

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I would think that seeing Shinano in the game as a BB, maybe as an alternate to Yamato, wouldn't be such a big deal. :fish_book:

After all, we have similar-ish case on the USN BB line, where a ship was given a "different gimmick" (lol) to differentiate from the main line. :Smile_trollface:

*CoughBigMammycough*

How to bring Shinano into the game as a BB: give her a German dispersion (lel), and then buff the heck out of her secondaries (lul), then give her something like... a Speed boost (lal) or whatever as an "unique feature" (lol)... and presto! The IJN also joins in on the brawling fun. :Smile_trollface::Smile_teethhappy:

My 2 doubloons. :Smile_hiding:

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13 minutes ago, Blorgh2017 said:

I would think that seeing Shinano in the game as a BB, maybe as an alternate to Yamato, wouldn't be such a big deal. :fish_book:

After all, we have similar-ish case on the USN BB line, where a ship was given a "different gimmick" (lol) to differentiate from the main line. :Smile_trollface:

*CoughBigMammycough*

How to bring Shinano into the game as a BB: give her a German dispersion (lel), and then buff the heck out of her secondaries (lul), then give her something like... a Speed boost (lal) or whatever as an "unique feature" (lol)... and presto! The IJN also joins in on the brawling fun. :Smile_trollface::Smile_teethhappy:

My 2 doubloons. :Smile_hiding:

I would like to see her as CV.

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24 minutes ago, TsundereMusashi said:

As a full fledged Yamato class battleship as she was originally planned?

This is what I would really like to see! She could be a great tier 10 premium IJN BB! Overall, she would play like the Yamato of course, but maybe she could get some special consumables or perks that the yamato doesn't have. Also, she could have a lot better AA protection, as the 100mm DP mounts she would've had were a lot more effective than the 127mm mounts on Yamato and Musashi. Maybe they could put some of the IJN 40mm "knockoff bofors" on her too?

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If Shinano were to enter the game, it would be in her embarrassing CV form.  And to make it historical, she'd have 0 access to Damage Control Party.

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Personally I'd do Shinano as the CV (as difficult to balance as that would be, a very T10 hull with a very T6 air wing) and have Warship NO. 111 (insert cool Japanese province name here) be the AA/secondaries variant upgraded  Yamato. One thing I have to point out though, Mass works because the USN secondaries are artificially hobbled. The IJN on the other hand, are already capable of rivaling the Germans for secondaries when fully built for it. Yes the Germans get a few hundred meters of extra range and 1/4 HE pen on many of their guns, but an IJN BB with a secondary build and a skilled captain is just fearsome at close range as it is at long range (and not bad at AA either). Before the Germans came along, the IJN BBs were the champions of secondaries in the game (some of us still try to refuse to believe they were ever removed from that position :Smile_trollface:). 

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Shinano will be a good cv to push B sinse your planes are made from paper anyway.

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