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The Addictive Cost Of Predatory Videogame Monetization

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Any of this sound familiar?

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A few people seem to be missing the point here. If you're one of those who see this as a self-control issue, you're missing the point too.

The main issue here is not that there are "a few" addicts suffering from such practices developed and employed by video game makers.

It is that these practices are tailored specifically to create addiction and profit off it.

At the scale video games are played, it starts becoming a legitimate public health issue. Not to mention the base unethicality of creating addiction to make more money.

In its essence, this really isn't that much different than how the opioid crisis came to develop and Purdue Pharma's practices that facilitated it.

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We'll see how long this posting lasts.

I'm also torn, having watched the vid as a capitalist. I understand that some cannot say no, and although they have Missouri and Alabama, they simply must have Georgia, too, but I really chafe at the thought of another law limiting all because a few can't limit themselves.

For my part, I realize that the "Hurry, buy it now" screech simply means "Don't wait too long or the price will go down."

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2 minutes ago, theLaalaa said:

We'll see how long this posting lasts.

I'm also torn, having watched the vid as a capitalist. I understand that some cannot say no, and although they have Missouri and Alabama, they simply must have Georgia, too, but I really chafe at the thought of another law limiting all because a few can't limit themselves.

For my part, I realize that the "Hurry, buy it now" screech simply means "Don't wait too long or the price will go down."

But two of your examples were/are free. Unfettered capitalism is just as bad as excessive regulation.  There is a difference between developing a game that is fun and entertaining that happens to have micro-transactions, and a game that is tedious and designed to manipulate. 

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WG has jumped on this bandwagon as well. I was shocked when I came back from my two-year hiatus to find loot boxes, alternative limited time premiums, currencies, and skins. It's really hampered my want to play, along with certain mechanics. If I wanted to gamble, I'd go to the casino where I have an actual chance of winning

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1 minute ago, 10T0nHammer said:

I'd go to the casino where I have an actual chance of winning

This is why YOU should never, ever go to a casino.

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3 minutes ago, Amenhir said:

This is why YOU should never, ever go to a casino.

I meant more along the lines that, while casinos always have the odds in their favor, it isn't anything like FIFA's .01% chance of winning anything decent. I also can win something I can actually use when the servers are turned off. Once WG decides it's done with WOWS, all those expensive pixels we purchased are gone for good. Those 400 dollars I won at a casino would only lose value if the economy collapsed. 

Edit: As an example of better chances of winning, I can sit at a blackjack table and have a 44-48% chance of winning at each hand. How many of this month's flavored lootboxes, in WoWS, can I say have a 44% chance of giving me anything good?

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This guy is really long-winded, anybody have a summary?

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Even if you don't agree with him (he goes overboard), the information on how video games are being weaponized is valuable. 

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1 minute ago, Edgecase said:

This guy is really long-winded, anybody have a summary?

start at 4:48. 

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13 minutes ago, 0NutsNBolts0 said:

Even if you don't agree with him (he goes overboard), the information on how video games are being weaponized is valuable. 

That over-the-topness of his is why I find the videos entertaining, sometimes he does go too overboard, but overall, his videos keep me watching.

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20 minutes ago, theLaalaa said:

We'll see how long this posting lasts.

I'm also torn, having watched the vid as a capitalist. I understand that some cannot say no, and although they have Missouri and Alabama, they simply must have Georgia, too, but I really chafe at the thought of another law limiting all because a few can't limit themselves.

For my part, I realize that the "Hurry, buy it now" screech simply means "Don't wait too long or the price will go down."

100% agree.  I also know you can't save someone from themselves.  I am of the camp that people should be allowed to do whatever they want.  The only problem is video gaming is something we start as children.  I hold it as a somewhat sacred past-time that is in a bad place and going to even worse place.  Activision secured a patent that would match players up based on what in-game items they wanted you to buy.  Get rid of loot boxes and offer in-game items for a set price.  No tricks just offer items for a price.

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It's a good video and worth watching, if only to arm yourself with knowledge of how business practices (not just video games, btw) use various means to manipulate you into being more likely to spend money.

Some of the elements mentioned in this video have been used by Wargaming in World of Warships.  Others have not.  They have shown to have some morals and I won't condemn them as being as bad as some of the truly miscreant companies out there.  HOWEVER, the lack of shady practices does not absolve them entirely -- they should be held to account on those elements which are not healthy for the consumer, such as loot boxes and the ever present threat of retiring older assets in order to create artificial scarcity. 

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1 minute ago, 0NutsNBolts0 said:

I also know you can't save someone from themselves.

True, but you also don't give an addict a spoon full of heroin. That is what these loot boxes do to people who are already addicts.  If publishers actually used those extra funds to pay developers I wouldn't have a problem with any forward microtransaction but it's almost always just more money for the pile while the devs get nothing. 

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46 minutes ago, yacskn said:

Any of this sound familiar?

 

You know I almost posted this yesterday when he put it up (I pray at the alter of Jim [edited]Sterling Son), but I am fairly certain the mods will delete it as it very much spills the beans on how this works and how it deputizes and convinces users to defend poor business practices. I found the section where the presenter brought up the Ikea effect particularly fascinating and think it might be the more insidious manipulation done to players who have bought into this game's PTW mechanics; something I say while owning all but now 5 of the premium ships in game; I have spent more than my own share (and likely several others) and can say with confidence this is a PTW game.

 

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Ya can we get the icebreaker deal?  The one that is so good we can't pass up?  I don't remember that one. (jokes)

I learned about confusopoly from his videos where when you go to make a purchase, it is so confusing weighing the different options, you start buying mindlessly.  From then on it's easier to just buy stuff.  Also invested time in freemium grinds makes you more apt to buy the loot boxes at the end.  I don't like these tactics.  Just put the Benham on sale for X amount and also let people earn it also if they want.  Isn't that how it used to be?

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1 minute ago, 0NutsNBolts0 said:

Ya can we get the icebreaker deal?  The one that is so good we can't pass up?  I don't remember that one.

Well 3 of the initial pre-order ships were not sold again for ~2 years. And 1 of them is still never been back up for sale (Gremy). Also, the fact they practically give away the Texas/Arizona for free (I've seen the newcommer bundles for sale for $3.00 USD) so I think they qualify.

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No sympathy. Parent your kids. If you're a grown-[edited]individual who can't control your spending on video games then it's time to to exercise some self-restraint and learn how to abstain.

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27 minutes ago, 0NutsNBolts0 said:

video games are being weaponized

Old news, but why is that every time I try to tell you guys that, you call me a conspiracy nut?

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Just now, _RC1138 said:

You know I almost posted this yesterday when he put it up, but I am fairly certain the mods will delete it as it very much spills the beans on how this works and how it deputizes and convinces users to defend poor business practices. I found the section where the presenter brought up the Ikea effect particularly fascinating.

This is one of those things I think should be taught in high schools in the Western World, alongside things like how to do your taxes, where money comes from, etc.  Having worked in sales, I was taught many of these techniques (and others besides) in order to help guarantee customers fork over cash willingly and often.  They are frighteningly effective.

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I really feel for the 'addicted.' The high of scoring the 'epic' is compelling to the most immune of us, so to those that just must try "once more" for it,.... But making yet another law restricting the vast majority for the sake of the few... it's akin to banning all motor vehicles for the sake of those that drive poorly or can't be bothered to look before crossing a street.

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2 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

No sympathy. Parent your kids. If you're a grown-[edited]individual who can't control your spending on video games then it's time to to exercise some self-restraint and learn how to abstain.

Did you even watch the video?

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7 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

No sympathy. Parent your kids. If you're a grown-[edited]individual who can't control your spending on video games then it's time to to exercise some self-restraint and learn how to abstain.

Yeah, and women should only stay in the kitchen! And men should never feel anything because that's what a man is supposed to do!

(This is sarcasm, but that's how stupid his argument was)

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3 minutes ago, Captain_Slattery said:

Did you even watch the video?

Does he have a bit at the end where he reveals game companies are hacking your accounts and charging you for things without your knowledge? 

Because if he didn't then my response is perfectly accurate. 

4 minutes ago, 10T0nHammer said:

Yeah, and women should only stay in the kitchen! And men should never feel anything because that's what a man is supposed to do!

(This is sarcasm, but that's how stupid his argument was)

The fact that you think "parent your kids" and exercise self-restraint is equivalent to those things is proof of how far our society is fallen. If you really can't handle playing a computer game without being pressured into loot boxes and micro transactions because of predatory game companies then turn the [edited] game off. 

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