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Maya's Wreck has been located

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The wreck of the heavy cruiser Maya has been found. Interestingly, above is the first photograph I have ever seen of a Type 96 25mm triple mount with a gun shield. We knew they existed, but they were very camera shy.
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Petrel's been on a roll, she found Furutaka, Jinstu, and Nizuki recently. Although I have to wonder why some of Maya's 8in guns are pointed upwards, she was sunk by the submarine Dace in the Palawan Passage (also gotta wonder if there're going to find Atago there as well). Maybe the force of the sinking made the guns turn skywards or maybe they tried firing star shells try to locate whatever's attacking them?

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1 hour ago, AdmiralPiett said:

Interestingly, above is the first photograph I have ever seen of a Type 96 25mm triple mount with a gun shield.

If you don't mind, I dropped a few pictures below in a spoiler of 25mm guns with shields:

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That should be Hibiki, focus on the 25mm twin in front of the bridge:

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To my knowledge, this is Yamato:

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This is on Junyou, the gun shield is hiding a bit:

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11 minutes ago, SireneRacker said:

If you don't mind, I dropped a few pictures below in a spoiler of 25mm guns with shields:

Cool, thanks!

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Maya had a pretty horrible fate.

Maya was part of Kurita's Center Force for the Battle of Leyte Gulf in late 1944.  2 USN submarines attacked and sank both Atago and Maya, damaging Takao in the process also.  Maya ate 4 submarine torpedoes.  Atago was the flagship for Kurita and he had to get fished out the water.  Supposedly his mood dropped after this incident, not a good sign for your force commander when you're expected to run into the teeth of the US Navy very soon.

 

His powerful force had not been spotted by Allied aerial patrols, nor have they been discovered by surface ships.  Then out of the blue torps come out of nowhere and sinks 2 precious CAs and damage another CA.

There were only 4 Takao-class CAs in the IJN.  In this single submarine attack, the Japanese lost half of them.  Takao would limp back to port immediately.  Chokai would continue on with the rest of Center Force but would sink at Samar soon after.  Takao would be the only survivor of the 4-ship class.  Chokai had a glorious moment early in the war as Mikawa's flagship during the Battle of Savo Island in August 1942.

 

Imagine playing a game, getting ready to start your battle which you expect to be extremely difficult, but then the game suddenly says "Oops!  You've been suddenly attacked by submarines!  You lose 3 of your game pieces before the start of battle!"

 

And the US airstrikes hadn't even started yet.

 

I know in WoWS, Cruisers seem like chump change, but in reality, they were very precious ships for any navy, especially Heavy Cruisers.  So a single naval engagement where a side loses 3 CAs with no loss to their opponents is a disaster.  US Subs were running amok in the Pacific.

 

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On 7/1/2019 at 1:17 PM, AdmiralPiett said:

The wreck of the heavy cruiser Maya has been found. Interestingly, above is the first photograph I have ever seen of a Type 96 25mm triple mount with a gun shield. We knew they existed, but they were very camera shy.
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Thanks for sharing and  posting this @AdmiralPiett :Smile_honoring:

 
 
 
6 hours ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Imagine playing a game, getting ready to start your battle which you expect to be extremely difficult, but then the game suddenly says "Oops!  You've been suddenly attacked by submarines!  You lose 3 of your game pieces before the tart of battle!"

@HazeGrayUnderway , the effectiveness of the USS submarine fleet is often forgotten by many. But the effect they had on the Pacific theater was massive and can not be underestimated. 

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8 hours ago, BTed72 said:

the effectiveness of the USS submarine fleet is often forgotten by many. But the effect they had on the Pacific theater was massive and can not be underestimated. 

The USN submarine campaign in the Pacific did what the German U-Boats were trying to do.  The big difference is that the combined industrial, economic, and technological power of the US & UK buried the U-Boats eventually.  They tried, nobody can ever say the U-Boats put everything they had into the effort over the war years, but what the Allies threw into ASW is astronomical.

 

Japan didn't have any of those benefits.  Their industry wasn't sufficient, hence even Japan's great difficulty to replace even Destroyers, to a point that the US Navy ordered their submarines to start focus killing DDs!  Their ASW technology wasn't at all like the Allies, they didn't have ample escorts, nor patrol aircraft.  And they had a lot of ocean to cover.

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From Japan they had transports going to and fro from Japan, the Dutch East Indies, Korea.  They had for a while garrisons and substantial military forces deployed not only in China, but far flung places like in Rabaul, New Guinea, the Solomon Islands.  They even bled themselves trying to reinforce and retake Guadalcanal.  That is a massive amount of ocean to travel.

 

Then consider that US subs were operating from Pearl Harbor and eventually Australia.  The position of Australia let US subs start right smack where all the critical strategic areas were:  The resources of the Dutch East Indies.  The region of Singapore, west of the Philippines, and all the way to Japan.  US subs were daggers at the throat and nothing Japan could do would stop that.

 

Also some information on US submarine efforts on Japan.

https://maritime.org/doc/subsinpacific.htm#pg6

Pg 7 also goes into what were killing Japanese merchant ships.  Nothing was close, not even Carrier nor Land Based air power, submarines were devastating:

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1944 was a bad year for the Japanese. Submarine deliveries to the fleet began to saturate the western Pacific. Our submarines spent 11,700 days on offensive patrol and fired 6,092 torpedoes. 16 successful attacks were made on April 27 and August 22, and during the month of October 185 successful attacks were made. The most productive day of the war for U.S. submarines was October 24, 1944 when 20 successful attacks were delivered.


Late in the war the area north and east of Luzon was known to the Japanese as "the Sea of the Devil". In 1944 a common saying in Singapore was that "one could walk from Singapore to Tokyo on American periscopes."

When Maya went down, it was October 23, 1944.  The US submarine force during this time were running wild.

 

Just imagine being in Admiral Kurita's shoes.  You have one of the most powerful naval forces ever assembled under your command with his Center Force.  But this is late 1944.  Japan is well on its way losing.  This is only mere months after the disaster of the Battle of the Philippine Sea in June 1944 where IJN naval aviation was decimated.  Many new pilots lost.  Brand new Armored CV Taiho.  Lost on her first combat mission.  Veteran CV Shokaku, one of the original 6 Carriers of the Pearl Harbor attack, lost.  And with this defeat, the loss of Saipan was guaranteed, and for the Japanese the failure to relieve Saipan was disastrous.  Now you're sailing towards the massive Allied Armada operating in the Philippines.

Oh!

BTW!

WATCH OUT FOR DEM TORPEDOES!

Lose 2 CAs, a 3rd has to get sent home limping immediately due to damage.

And you haven't even fired a shot yet.  And the expected onslaught of American aircraft hasn't even started yet.

Edited by HazeGrayUnderway

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