World of Gunboats

[Capcon]

Submarines, there I said it. While there are a great number of people clamoring for submarines in World of Warships I think they belong in another game, World of Gunboats

 

Same premise of course but smaller ships. Here a Hunt class Destroyer escort is "Big Man on Campus" and a Type VIIC submarine is just a gunboat with insufficient freeboard. Flower class corvettes, S-boats, Elco PT boats, and many many more.

 

 

Only the germ of an idea.

 

Please explore and discuss.

 

Thanks for listening.

[International_Barfighter]

But, generally, the gunboats are even faster.  Which would make subs even less viable.  Not to mention many gunboats drew too shallow a draft to target with torpedoes.  World of Subs would be fun.  World of gunboats too, gimme my PT boat!

[NargilFenris]

How about World of Convoys. That way you have DEs and submarines.

[Super_Dreadnought]

Sure, I'd be in favour of World of Gunboats/Submarines/Convoys.

 

That way all the "I want submarines!" people have somewhere to go, and the WoWs forum can be left in peace.

[MM2ss]

U boat sighted, ramming speed if you please Mr. Fenris.

http://www.maritimeq...olympic_ww1.jpg

[Haguro]

I like the idea of World of Convoys.  However, you know sooner or later someone will want to add Escort Carriers.  :Smile_sceptic:

[Wunderwaffen1945]

PT speed is around 40-50 knots

[mr3awsome]

I would prefer World of Pre-Dreadnoughts.

Pre-dreadnought battleships along with Armoured and protected cruisers in a fight to the death!

[brian333]

I would absolutely love having a PT boat "World of" type game. The American ones were often faced off with Japanese subs trying to bring in reinforcements and supplies, and while the sub on the surface was a formiddable threat to the Mosquito Boat, it couldn't rely on torpedoes, especially when the PT boat was hydroplaning. One of these boats was actually holed by a torp which passed throught he hull without detonating, and was back in service the next day.

[BigWaveSurfer]

NargilFenris, on 18 January 2013 - 10:05 PM, said:

How about World of Convoys. That way you have DEs and submarines.

i want to sail a Merchant please. go straight and slow all the way. shot at me! shot at me!  :tongue:

[madmanthan21]

USS Peguin FTW

[nixxxie]

What about World of UFOs? That would be fun...

[sharlin648]

World of Pre-dreadnoughts definaetly, go from ironclads up to the semi-dreadnoughts.

[Meriv]

LoL who wouldn't want to drive something as sexy as this

http://www.maquetlan...es/img14(1).jpg

Responsable for the sinking of the SMS Szent István 20k tons

[NargilFenris]

Haguro, on 19 January 2013 - 05:52 AM, said:

I like the idea of World of Convoys.  However, you know sooner or later someone will want to add Escort Carriers.  :Smile_sceptic:

That really wouldn't be that bad as Escort Carriers were slow as snails too. Plus most DE's were set up for ASW and AA.

[Gigaton]

We should start with MACs for the aeroplane carrying ships. CVEs are huge monstrous things! Maybe Argus as tier 10 premium?

[Haguro]

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We should start with MACs for the aeroplane carrying ships. CVEs are huge monstrous things! Maybe Argus as tier 10 premium?

MACs might not be too bad (very limited aircraft complement).  Another addition might be CAM ships, Q-Ships, and surface raiders.
CAM (catapult aircraft merchantman) Ship
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Q-Ship
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http://www.otago.ac....DL_qshipgun.jpg

Raiders


MAC


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Congratulations everyone...I think with all the suggestions we have here, we have the viable workings for a game that might satisfy the submarine crowd. :Smile_playing:

[brian333]

If we're doing World of Convoys, I want an airship. USS Akron would be my first choice, as she was equipped with biplane fighters. (This was in the '20's.) Of course, like all experimental craft, airships were prone to design flaws and accidents, but it is a fact that no convoy under the cover of blimps were successfully attacked by U-boats in either of the 'Great Wars.'.

[Haguro]

Remembering the old Clark Gable / Burt Lancaster movie , Run Silent, Run Deep the IJN used a submarine to sink USN subs trying to attack Japanese convoys.  Great submarine movie.  :Smile_popcorn: Just another way to use a submarine in World of Convoys. :Smile_izmena:

[NargilFenris]

You could even include Coast Guard cutters since a majority of them were rigged for ASW during WW1 and 2.

[NGTM_1R]

Elcos, elcos everywhere.

[brian333]

Screw Elcos, they beat the sea like it's a fisherman's wife. Gimme a Higgins Boat.

 

Also E- or S-class boats for Germany, MTB's for Britain, MS Boats for Italy, and a variety of poorly documented Japanese boats would easily fill tech trees.

[Haguro]

brian333, on 21 January 2013 - 12:39 AM, said:

Also E- or S-class boats for Germany, MTB's for Britain, MS Boats for Italy, and a variety of poorly documented Japanese boats would easily fill tech trees.

Found this info. on the Axis History Forum.  (seems that the IJN MTBs were a pretty sorry lot - Tier 1 anyone)
by Tiornu on 18 Jan 2005, 22:22
If you're talking about MTBs, the Japanese story is really sad. The type earned little attention initially, though there was some puttering with boats captured in China, the Philippines, and East Indies. Extensive use by the Americans prompted further development, but the Japanese found they lacked an adequate supply of engines. A 20-ton specification based on the 38.5-knot T1 class broke apart into sub-types carrying a miscellany of powerplants. The fastest of these managed 35 knots; others were as slow as 17 knots (no joke--charge!).
I don't recall any account of one of the Japanese boat making a torpedo attack, though that doesn't mean it didn't happen. The Japanese fooled themselves into thinking the type had potential for ASW. The total number of units produced is somewhere in the neighborhood of 600, including those completed as MGBs etc.
by daveh on 19 Jan 2005, 23:18
At least 248 MTBs of various types were built as well as a minimum of 105 Motor Gunboats

Many of these suffered from poor reliability and low engine power with a number of vessels being used solely for harbour duties. Towards the end of the war many vessels were inoperative due to lack of fuel.

The use of these vessels is little studied. However the fact that only 49 MTBs and 17 Motor Gunboats were lost during the war is a strong indication that in general these vessles were relatively rarely used in attacks on Allied forces in a similar way to the american PT botas.

The Japanese built c 6000 Shinyo suicide craft which were os a similar size to te smaller MTBs. Despite these numbers and their deployment to Okinawa, these vessels also achieved virtually nothing.

by Tiornu on 20 Jan 2005, 00:12
"any idea what engines they used...output, rpms etc.?"
The slowest class was the Type 23. Its single Type 91 engine generated 450HP, and there was an 80HP cruising engine. The fastest of the 20-ton sub-types was the Type 35 had two 920HP Type 71 engines. I believe this was the most powerful engine used in Japanese MTBs. The Type 51 boats were a knock-off of German design, 75 tons, and they featured four Type 71's. Like most knock-offs, they were distinctly inferior. Total failures, actually.
All the Japanese MTBs used petrol engines.

"Though Patrol Boats in general seem to have suffered given the interest in the more mainstream naval weapons, carriers, battleships and submarines."

[ThrawnBlaze]

OMG PT boats I love it!!!!!!!!!  Pt boats/ gunships would be really cool.

[Wake_Island]

madmanthan21, on 19 January 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

USS Peguin FTW

more like
kms Penguin FTW!