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Has the Fletcher been power creeped into mediocrity?

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My favorite and most frequently played ship with a solid winning percentage. But lately that percentage has been declining. I could just be getting lax but is seems that although still a solid all around ships that there are simply better choices these days. 

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Still powerful and one of the best DDs in game, until you face a competent Midway or Hak player.

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Nope.  Still best all around DD at tier 9.  She does it all.

 

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Doubtful, from my (admittedly) few battles in her, she performs quite a bit better than Benson. Better AA to take a bite out of CVs, better torpedoes, and can do anything from close-range brawls to acting as a torpedo boat (with the proper upgrade, you can get the reload down to around 90s).

I'm certainly not afraid of much while using her. Yes, it's true that in certain situations other destroyers are better but as a multi-role destroyer, I'd say none can beat Fletcher.

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How about we compare the Fletcher to all of the other T9 DDs, and the overall T9 DD averages.  The Fletcher is last in XP, is 8th in WR, last in damage, last in frags, and last in survival.  The Fletcher has been hit very hard with powercreep.

  XP WR Damage Frags Survival
Black 1,779 53.84% 47,005 0.89 37.70%
Chung Mu 1,583 53.16% 50,471 0.83 35.44%
Fletcher 1,255 47.74% 33,177 0.57 25.24%
Jutland 1,554 50.97% 41,116 0.74 36.73%
Kitakaze 1,565 50.71% 49,660 0.8 29.55%
Neustrashimy 1,800 49.53% 45,198 0.72 36.95%
Tashkent 1,544 47.26% 43,421 0.65 32.29%
Udaloi 1,626 48.11% 44,854 0.73 33.93%
Yugumo 1,288 46.03% 36,390 0.63 26.29%
Z-46 1,391 49.11% 33,821 0.61 25.69%
Overall Averages 1,539 49.65% 42,511 0.72 31.98%
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13 minutes ago, Slimeball91 said:

How about we compare the Fletcher to all of the other T9 DDs, and the overall T9 DD averages.  The Fletcher is last in XP, is 8th in WR, last in damage, last in frags, and last in survival.  The Fletcher has been hit very hard with powercreep.

  XP WR Damage Frags Survival
Black 1,779 53.84% 47,005 0.89 37.70%
Chung Mu 1,583 53.16% 50,471 0.83 35.44%
Fletcher 1,255 47.74% 33,177 0.57 25.24%
Jutland 1,554 50.97% 41,116 0.74 36.73%
Kitakaze 1,565 50.71% 49,660 0.8 29.55%
Neustrashimy 1,800 49.53% 45,198 0.72 36.95%
Tashkent 1,544 47.26% 43,421 0.65 32.29%
Udaloi 1,626 48.11% 44,854 0.73 33.93%
Yugumo 1,288 46.03% 36,390 0.63 26.29%
Z-46 1,391 49.11% 33,821 0.61 25.69%
Overall Averages 1,539 49.65% 42,511 0.72 31.98%

Interesting, because everyone seems to really like that ship. Wonder why the stats say otherwise.

 

OP, the reason your average has been sliding might be due to the resurgence of CVs recently.

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10 minutes ago, AJTP89 said:

Interesting, because everyone seems to really like that ship. Wonder why the stats say otherwise.

The Fletcher is the most played so the stats do say people seem to like it.  Being the most played does tend to skew the stats down a little.  Still, the reality doesn't actually fit the perception of it being a good boat, not anymore.  That is how our bias works though.

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In a ranked setting, with Torpedo Armament Expertise as one of my T3 skills, Fletcher barely held her own two ranked seasons ago. I was only able to advance once I switched to Jean Bart.
In a random setting, with either DE or BFT as a T3 skill? Completely different story. My Fletcher captain is well on his way to becoming my 4th 19-pointer.

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I really liked the fletcher when I grind through it, and I bought the permacamo. However, I've barely played it since, there just seems to be much better options at tier 9-10. Also Gearing has fletcher torps now so why fletcher

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4 hours ago, Slimeball91 said:

How about we compare the Fletcher to all of the other T9 DDs, and the overall T9 DD averages.  The Fletcher is last in XP, is 8th in WR, last in damage, last in frags, and last in survival.  The Fletcher has been hit very hard with powercreep.

  XP WR Damage Frags Survival
Black 1,779 53.84% 47,005 0.89 37.70%
Chung Mu 1,583 53.16% 50,471 0.83 35.44%
Fletcher 1,255 47.74% 33,177 0.57 25.24%
Jutland 1,554 50.97% 41,116 0.74 36.73%
Kitakaze 1,565 50.71% 49,660 0.8 29.55%
Neustrashimy 1,800 49.53% 45,198 0.72 36.95%
Tashkent 1,544 47.26% 43,421 0.65 32.29%
Udaloi 1,626 48.11% 44,854 0.73 33.93%
Yugumo 1,288 46.03% 36,390 0.63 26.29%
Z-46 1,391 49.11% 33,821 0.61 25.69%
Overall Averages 1,539 49.65% 42,511 0.72 31.98%

 

3 hours ago, AJTP89 said:

Interesting, because everyone seems to really like that ship. Wonder why the stats say otherwise.

 

OP, the reason your average has been sliding might be due to the resurgence of CVs recently.

These stats are meaningless unless you show the sample size and time frame. Because this is NA server, all of the NA potatoes rush down the USN lines en masse and grossly the distort the USN ships with bad stats, hence giving the illusion of worse performance stats. Fletcher is one of the strongest tier 9 DDs, if anything has been powercrept it's Z-46, which was never all that good to begin with. Yugumo has never been particularly good either.

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4 minutes ago, goldeagle1123 said:

These stats are meaningless unless you show the sample size and time frame.

NA sever, the data is from all random games played for the week ending 6/22, Maple Syrup.  Yes, the Fletcher is the most played and that does slightly skew the numbers down.  That skew isn't going to move it from last place in almost category to at or near the top.  If it was one of the strongest DDs the number would show it.  As I said earlier, bias tends to give us a not so good perspective on things.

On the EU server the Fletcher is the second most played T9 DD (Yugumo is the most played) and its not the strongest there either. 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190622/na_week/average_ship.html

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20190622/eu_week/average_ship.html

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6 hours ago, goldeagle1123 said:

 

These stats are meaningless unless you show the sample size and time frame. Because this is NA server, all of the NA potatoes rush down the USN lines en masse and grossly the distort the USN ships with bad stats, hence giving the illusion of worse performance stats. Fletcher is one of the strongest tier 9 DDs, if anything has been powercrept it's Z-46, which was never all that good to begin with. Yugumo has never been particularly good either.

Pretty much this. Like many on NA I went up IJN and US DD lines first. I have over 700 games in Fletch but the first 300 I sucked. Probably lots of players in similar positions.

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I still think Fletcher is one of the few true "Gems" of Tier IX.

 

She is stealthy, has good gunnery, her AA is decent.  Most importantly are her torpedoes.  They have a great blend of speed, power, quantity of torps, concealment coupled with a fast reload.  Fletcher torps are IMO, one of the best all around torpedoes in the game and I rather not have them sent my way.  Chung Mu has great torps also, but they're DWTs and won't hit DDs but Fletcher's will.  And Chung Mu is about to get nerfed.

 

If anything, I believe the CV Rework has made Fletcher's value even better.

 

I considered Fletcher better than Gearing because Tier X DDs tend to handle like sh*t compared to Tier VIII-IX DDs.

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7 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

Pretty much this. Like many on NA I went up IJN and US DD lines first. I have over 700 games in Fletch but the first 300 I sucked. Probably lots of players in similar positions.

Nope. As @Slimeball91 pointed out, those stats are the last 7-day stats. Your 300 potato games arn't included in those.

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3 minutes ago, HazardDrake said:

Nope. As @Slimeball91 pointed out, those stats are the last 7-day stats. Your 300 potato games arn't included in those.

The point is that at any given moment, the people playing Fletch are probably less experienced than those playing the DD lines that came out later.

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30 minutes ago, Taichunger said:

The point is that at any given moment, the people playing Fletch are probably less experienced than those playing the DD lines that came out later.

Why would this be true for the Fletcher and not equally apply to other nations as well?

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47 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

I considered Fletcher better than Gearing because Tier X DDs tend to handle like sh*t compared to Tier VIII-IX DDs.

Yeah the Gearing *should* be more mobile then the Fletcher since it has double rudders instead of one. It's also way larger then the Fletcher because of WeeGee's lousy incorrect obese model.

Fletchy is still solid bote, it's lost some flair as the Jutland is so good especially with the heal.

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24 minutes ago, HazardDrake said:

Why would this be true for the Fletcher and not equally apply to other nations as well?

Because every potato and their mother has had years to get the Fletcher. It was one of the original lines. They haven't had nearly as long to get to ships like the Jutland, Chung Mu or Kitakaze. 

If you purely looked at stats every single ship ever released has been the best in class for a couple of weeks or so. Then more players get it, play it, and drag its stats down without anything about the ship changing. The oldest lines always suffer the most. To put this into perspective for those stats that you're looking at in this thread the Fletcher had 8229 battles with 538 unique players in that period of time. The next closest T9 DD? Mighty Yugumo with 5215 battles and 346 players. Is it any wonder the Fletcher looks terrible when it's being played that much? 

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56 minutes ago, HazardDrake said:

Why would this be true for the Fletcher and not equally apply to other nations as well?

On NA people tend to go up US lines first. 

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Just now, Taichunger said:

On NA people tend to go up US lines first. 

Then why does the pattern hold on the other servers?

36 minutes ago, Rocketpacman said:

Because every potato and their mother has had years to get the Fletcher. It was one of the original lines. They haven't had nearly as long to get to ships like the Jutland, Chung Mu or Kitakaze. 

They've had PLENTY of time to get ships like the Z-46.

Kitty-K people have had plenty of time to get as well. Especially since people who already ground the IJN line got a head start. You're just dismissing that one because it hurts your theory.

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