A Bismarckian lesson

[Masterrix]

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my fellow american players

 

because it happens over and over again, I just want to tell: This ship is called BismarCk......not Bismark

 

thx for your attention, sailor  :Smile_honoring:

 

As you were !  :Smile_honoring:

 

 

http://www.bismarck-...k_main_page.jpg

[Ethrenmax5]

Mind If I call it the Terpitz class?

[Crag_r]

You will find that it is spelled Fairey Swordfish  :Smile_trollface:

http://www.mysticrea...y-swordfish.jpg

[JeeWeeJ]

Nice work Materrix!

[Windhover118]

Crag_r, on 18 January 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

You will find that it is spelled Fairey Swordfish  :Smile_trollface:
http://www.mysticrea...y-swordfish.jpg

[Gohibniu]

Aye aye Captain!

[nixxxie]

Crag_r, on 18 January 2013 - 09:54 AM, said:

You will find that it is spelled Fairey Swordfish  :Smile_trollface:

I prefer "Fairy" spelling  :Smile_trollface: .

[Crag_r]

nixxxie, on 18 January 2013 - 10:46 AM, said:

I prefer "Fairy" spelling  :Smile_trollface: .

which would be right if it were not made by the Fairey Aviation Company

No one got it was the swordfish that crippled the Bismarck?  :Smile_sceptic:

[Windhover118]

Crag_r, on 18 January 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

which would be right if it were not made by the Fairey Aviation Company

No one got it was the swordfish that crippled the Bismarck?  :Smile_sceptic:

Yes but it was the Prince of Wales that damaged Bismarck forcing her to head back to France setting the stage for the Swordfish to cripple Bismarck so really, shouldnt we be posting a picture of her?

:Smile_trollface:

[nixxxie]

Crag_r, on 18 January 2013 - 11:11 AM, said:

which would be right if it were not made by the Fairey Aviation Company

No one got it was the swordfish that crippled the Bismarck?  :Smile_sceptic:

I know both, no problem there. It's still funny to think of it as "fairy".  :Smile-_tongue:

Windhover118, on 18 January 2013 - 11:25 AM, said:

Yes but it was the Prince of Wales that damaged Bismarck forcing her to head back to France setting the stage for the Swordfish to cripple Bismarck so really, shouldnt we be posting a picture of her?

:Smile_trollface:

You surely meant Prince of Whales :Smile_trollface: ?

Yes, someone actually misspelled like that on forum/

[Super_Dreadnought]

[Wunderwaffen1945]

Bismarck had to good AA guns for its time

[Capcon]

I can barely spell correctly in American (which is not the same as English btw) let alone getting it correct for German. But I'll try.

 

And I still think Wunderwaffen1945's little panzer-pult animation is funny.

 

and that Stringbag is the nickname for the Swordfish.

[Wunderwaffen1945]

tnx mate......I'm from Europe and i can spell it easyer

[Crag_r]

Wunderwaffen1945, on 18 January 2013 - 01:43 PM, said:

Bismarck had to good AA guns for its time

That could not even target torpedo bombers...

[nixxxie]

Crag_r, on 19 January 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

That could not even target torpedo bombers...

Outdated ones, to be precise.

[SyberSmoke]

Crag_r, on 19 January 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

That could not even target torpedo bombers...

The Swordfish torpedo bomber was a significantly outdated design at the time the Bismarck was attacked.  At that point the Germans did not believe they would be facing aircraft that would travel so slowly so their FCS and AA track settings could not be set to the slow speed of the Swordfish.  So, the guns missed because they overshot the target aircraft.

Essentially, the Germans overestimated the progress of the British Navies aircraft in that time frame and it cost them severely.  A single lucky torpedo jammed the rudder and that was the end of that, Duck in a barrel.

[Crag_r]

SyberSmoke, on 20 January 2013 - 05:33 AM, said:

The Swordfish torpedo bomber was a significantly outdated design at the time the Bismarck was attacked.  At that point the Germans did not believe they would be facing aircraft that would travel so slowly so their FCS and AA track settings could not be set to the slow speed of the Swordfish.  So, the guns missed because they overshot the target aircraft.

Essentially, the Germans overestimated the progress of the British Navies aircraft in that time frame and it cost them severely.  A single lucky torpedo jammed the rudder and that was the end of that, Duck in a barrel.

If it was just that then it would have not been such an issue (2cm and 3.7cm flak is a by eye thing which can easily target slow Aircraft).  Bismarck's fire control for AA was lacking, the crew was badly trained as they were rushed and it didn't even receive its entire AA suit for the operation. The Myth of its fire-control over shooting the swordfish was the only reason why they got through its one that is wrong, there was plenty more issues with the Bismarck's AA then been "too good" for the swordfish.

Plus what makes that theory worse is that the Germans knew exactly what Aircraft the British would be using and their capabilities as word had got around from their[Germany] allies Italy about the capabilities and composition of British carrier Aircraft from the Taranto operation.

[brian333]

Prince of Wales made the hit that decided the issue. With fuel spilling into the sea and Bismarck down by the bow, he had no choice but to steam for port.

[Super_Dreadnought]

brian333, on 20 January 2013 - 06:11 AM, said:

Prince of Wales made the hit that decided the issue.

Good hit.

[SyberSmoke]

Crag_r, on 20 January 2013 - 06:00 AM, said:

If it was just that then it would have not been such an issue (2cm and 3.7cm flak is a by eye thing which can easily target slow Aircraft).  Bismarck's fire control for AA was lacking, the crew was badly trained as they were rushed and it didn't even receive its entire AA suit for the operation. The Myth of its fire-control over shooting the swordfish was the only reason why they got through its one that is wrong, there was plenty more issues with the Bismarck's AA then been "too good" for the swordfish.

Plus what makes that theory worse is that the Germans knew exactly what Aircraft the British would be using and their capabilities as word had got around from their[Germany] allies Italy about the capabilities and composition of British carrier Aircraft from the Taranto operation.

Not to be a skeptic...but could you please link your source?  I am curious to read new info.

[Crag_r]

SyberSmoke, on 20 January 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:

Not to be a skeptic...but could you please link your source?  I am curious to read new info.

Can i ask the same of you?

[SyberSmoke]

Crag_r, on 20 January 2013 - 06:52 AM, said:

Can i ask the same of you?

I believe it was from one of the many Discovery/Military channel documentaries on the subject.  But it has been so long that the specific show eludes me.  So...time for you to reciprocate.

[Crag_r]

SyberSmoke, on 20 January 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

I believe it was from one of the many Discovery/Military channel documentaries on the subject.  But it has been so long that the specific show eludes me.  So...time for you to reciprocate.

Same for mine as well, maybe the same you just don't remember that part.

[SyberSmoke]

Crag_r, on 20 January 2013 - 07:13 AM, said:

Same for mine as well, maybe the same you just don't remember that part.

They have done a few shows.  I have seen...three...four.  Some using 3D recreations.  Others using various media tied together.  As always some times new things are learned and old ideas pass on.