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Soon there will be closed testing of the new mechanics of semi-armor piercing shells. Please note that if this concept of semi-armor piercing shells will be successfully tested, detailed information about its area of usage will be announced later.

Semi-armor piercing shells - a new type of shell, similar to high explosive terms of in armor penetration mechanics, which means that the shell explodes immediately after hitting the ship. However, the armor penetration of the semi-armor piercing shells will be higher than that of high explosive ones. The difference between this type of shell and high explosive shells is that they are not capable of causing fire or damaging the modules of the ship by the blast wave. When firing semi-armor piercing shells, it is possible to ricochet.

Semi-armor piercing shells, when properly used, can do more damage than high explosive shells, but the absence of fires and the presence of ricochets will give players the opportunity to effectively withstand this type of ammunition.

Please note that the information in the Development Blog is preliminary.

 

The Italian Navy was known for using these types of shells instead of HE, so this may be foreshadowing their national flavor.  Semi AP instead of HE would really go a long ways towards helping Roma.  And the cruisers would be anti-DD/CL specialists.  If they do make this the Italian flavor, though, the big question is if they'll also adjust the premiums.  If Abruzzi and d'Aosta keep their HE, they would become as useless of captain trainers as Belfast and Exeter.  And as I previously mentioned, Roma could definitely use semi AP, though Cesare doesn't need it.

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1 minute ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

 

The Italian Navy was known for using these types of shells instead of HE, so this may be foreshadowing their national flavor.  Semi AP instead of HE would really go a long ways towards helping Roma.  And the cruisers would be anti-DD/CL specialists.  If they do make this the Italian flavor, though, the big question is if they'll also adjust the premiums.  If Abruzzi and d'Aosta keep their HE, they would become as useless of captain trainers as Belfast and Exeter.  And as I previously mentioned, Roma could definitely use semi AP, though Cesare doesn't need it.

I've been reading a lot of the same thing, that the Italians used these type of shells. Do you have any links to this information or references? I'd like to read up on it myself.

Also, I'm not sure they would retrofit the premiums, though I would hope so. They dont often adjust premiums and when they do it's often in a way that still doesnt make a lot of sense.

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I wonder if they'll do both Semi AP AND Normal AP AT at the same time as ammo options on italians. Instead of the single ammo type style that RN cruisers went for.

Interesting stuff regardless, looking forward to the eventual release of italian cruisers.

 

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5 minutes ago, Skuggsja said:

I've been reading a lot of the same thing, that the Italians used these type of shells. Do you have any links to this information or references? I'd like to read up on it myself.

Also, I'm not sure they would retrofit the premiums, though I would hope so. They dont often adjust premiums and when they do it's often in a way that still doesnt make a lot of sense.

 

It's kind of funny, at least with Wikipedia (article for the Main Battery on Littorio-class BBs):

"SAP: A semi armor-piercing round named "Granata Perforante" ("Piercing Shell") designed for use against lightly armored targets such as cruisers and destroyers. They were lighter than the AP shells with a greater bursting charge (3.57%), and had a significantly lesser penetrative ability. During the war, they showed an unfortunate tendency to fuse later than they had been set to, which lead to over-penetrations of their targets."

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Do not dream that much about an Italian line. We will probably have a cruiser line split and a CV line for the Russian before any Italian line ;-)

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8 minutes ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

 

The Italian Navy was known for using these types of shells instead of HE, so this may be foreshadowing their national flavor.  Semi AP instead of HE would really go a long ways towards helping Roma.  And the cruisers would be anti-DD/CL specialists.  If they do make this the Italian flavor, though, the big question is if they'll also adjust the premiums.  If Abruzzi and d'Aosta keep their HE, they would become as useless of captain trainers as Belfast and Exeter.  And as I previously mentioned, Roma could definitely use semi AP, though Cesare doesn't need it.

Roma? You mean the new shells will help Littorio. :Smile_trollface:

They won't adjust premiums. There has been no example of WG adjusting early premiums to match the tech tree.

Warspite and Gallant weren't changed to match the tech tree flavour. Anshan and Loyang didn't get DW torps. Dunkerque didn't get a speed boost or MBR. Oct. Revolution didn't get any close range accuracy gimmick afaik. Aigle isn't losing her smoke. So it's wishful thinking that WG will make an exception for the current Italian premiums. Consider that WG would also end up pissing off a lot of current Italian premium owners

At best future premiums post-Italian tech tree release, will follow the tech tree flavour more.

 

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16 minutes ago, Skuggsja said:

I've been reading a lot of the same thing, that the Italians used these type of shells. Do you have any links to this information or references? I'd like to read up on it myself.

Also, I'm not sure they would retrofit the premiums, though I would hope so. They dont often adjust premiums and when they do it's often in a way that still doesnt make a lot of sense.

I don't have any links, but I'm sure one of the other pastaboos will be along shortly with some.

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2 minutes ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

Roma? You mean the new shells will help Littorio. :Smile_trollface:

They won't adjust premiums. There has been no example of WG adjusting early premiums to match the tech tree.

Warspite and Gallant weren't changed to match the tech tree flavour. Anshan and Loyang didn't get DW torps. Dunkerque didn't get a speed boost or MBR. Oct. Revolution didn't get any close range accuracy gimmick afaik. Aigle isn't losing her smoke. So it's wishful thinking that WG will make an exception for the current Italian premiums. Consider that WG would also end up pissing off a lot of current Italian premium owners

At best future premiums post-Italian tech tree release, will follow the tech tree flavour more.

 

Premium Carriers.

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2 minutes ago, HazeGrayUnderway said:

Premium Carriers.

Premium carriers were changed as part of the greater CV rework out of necessity. That is not the case with BB/CA/CL/DD premiums, where WG has never changed pre-tech tree release premiums to match the newer national flavour.

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28 minutes ago, Skuggsja said:

I've been reading a lot of the same thing, that the Italians used these type of shells. Do you have any links to this information or references? I'd like to read up on it myself.

Also, I'm not sure they would retrofit the premiums, though I would hope so. They dont often adjust premiums and when they do it's often in a way that still doesnt make a lot of sense.

Among others,he touches upon SAP and how they could function ingame.

 

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25 minutes ago, Saidalphon said:

I wonder if they'll do both Semi AP AND Normal AP AT at the same time as ammo options on italians. Instead of the single ammo type style that RN cruisers went for.

Interesting stuff regardless, looking forward to the eventual release of italian cruisers.

 

Based on the description of the shell, if the Italians got SAP I'm betting their ammo options would be SAP and AP. After all, SAP right now is looking to be an alternative to HE, trade-offs being they can't create fires and do less module damage, but have higher pen (probably pen levels comparable or slightly higher then HE when using IFHE skill) and damage. 

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This ammo type seems entirely pointless to me.   Why would I ever wanna fire this over HE (if its a choice) or over normal AP?    I can' even theorize any situation where worse AP would be a worthwhile choice to even consider....

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55 minutes ago, Skuggsja said:

I've been reading a lot of the same thing, that the Italians used these type of shells. Do you have any links to this information or references? I'd like to read up on it myself.

Also, I'm not sure they would retrofit the premiums, though I would hope so. They dont often adjust premiums and when they do it's often in a way that still doesnt make a lot of sense.

Use Google dude it takes like 20 seconds for the info you seek.

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1 minute ago, Zenn3k said:

This ammo type seems entirely pointless to me.   Why would I ever wanna fire this over HE (if its a choice) or over normal AP?    I can' even theorize any situation where worse AP would be a worthwhile choice to even consider....

Angled target or lightly armored ship. AP would bounce or overpen, and SAP would do more damage than HE. The interesting thing would be what it does against DDs.

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43 minutes ago, Super_Dreadnought said:

They won't adjust premiums. There has been no example of WG adjusting early premiums to match the tech tree.

They are nerfing the citadel dramatically on the DoY and I and many others argue they nerfed Hood with the longer fuse arming time. And Premium CV's. Also they adjusted Warspite's turret rotations to align with the rest of the RN BB's when released; it used to be somewhat a key aspect of her having snail like turrets (part of me preferred that; fast turrets encourage lazy play).

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Just now, AJTP89 said:

Angled target or lightly armored ship. AP would bounce or overpen, and SAP would do more damage than HE. The interesting thing would be what it does against DDs.

The damage value of semi-AP would have to be pretty high for it to be better than AP over-pens.   If it can full pen a DD, that might have use...but then again, it can't destroy modules, which you want to be doing to DDs as much as possible.

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1 minute ago, Zenn3k said:

The damage value of semi-AP would have to be pretty high for it to be better than AP over-pens.

They can change the mechanic for these shells, have their Overpens be worth more than 10% base.

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14 minutes ago, Zenn3k said:

The damage value of semi-AP would have to be pretty high for it to be better than AP over-pens.   If it can full pen a DD, that might have use...but then again, it can't destroy modules, which you want to be doing to DDs as much as possible.

If it has greater pen than HE then it will pen DDs.  Also, don't HE pens have higher damage than AP overpens?  I assume SAP pens will have a higher alpha so they will (most likely) do more damage than overpens. 

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43 minutes ago, IronMike11C4O said:

Use Google dude it takes like 20 seconds for the info you seek.

Yeah I just wasnt sure if it was called SAP or that was a name the players had given it. So far I only found one snippet about SAP shells that really had 2 sentences about them.

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SAP? New?

The flying flip have the RN cruisers been using then? Crumpets?

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54 minutes ago, Zenn3k said:

This ammo type seems entirely pointless to me.   Why would I ever wanna fire this over HE (if its a choice) or over normal AP?    I can' even theorize any situation where worse AP would be a worthwhile choice to even consider....

Sap would be similar to RN CL's AP. It sticks in lighter ships for higher damage than HE would. 

I know there are many players who will refuse to give up their easy mode ammo type that also procs a dot. But hey moving into a less braindead game is a good move.

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2 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

SAP? New?

The flying flip have the RN cruisers been using then? Crumpets?

You sneaky little ninja.  Lol

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Oh look gold shels.

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1 minute ago, HyenaHiena said:

Oh look gold shels.

Only the golden color of well baked and buttered crumpets.

RN SAP has never been anything but a source of shatter and bounce ribbons for me.

Wonder what the Italian version of a crumpet is...?

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1 minute ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

SAP? New?

The flying flip have the RN cruisers been using then? Crumpets?

Yes, new.  Those suckers in the RN have to deal with overpens. 

3 minutes ago, HyenaHiena said:

Oh look gold shels.

How are they gold shells?

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