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The torpedoes are just pitiful and could use a damage buff. I just hit a Kremlin broadside with 8 torpedoes and not one of them could manage more than 10k damage.  They have to be just about the weakest T10 torps that exist. Now I could see them being this weak if Gearing had at least good guns but those are garbage as well. When you have ships like Harugumo with good guns and torps and the German line with both guns and decent torps plus hydro Gearing is just all around weak in every area.

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Just grind for the legendary mod and it'll feel like Fletcher Torpedoes...

Edit: oh wait, wrong info, but still, it's a good upgrade.
Although aside from torpedoes, Gearing needs a ship model rework.

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They are giving it a torp reload buff on the 16km ones so that it feels somewhat better but yeah it could use a bit of help to catch up to the rest of the newer DDs due to power creep. Not too much though because I think a model rework, the torp buff and maybe something like better rudder shift would really go a long way.

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Remember when Gearing was the ROF king?  Yeah, the guns were floaty, so you didn't want to get into a long range duel with a groz or a khab, and it didn't have as good of torps as a shima, or a neat trick like Z-52's hydro... but the one thing it was good at was a short range raw DPS race.  ...then they released Harugumo, and then Daring. 

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32 minutes ago, Amatsukaze_KaiNi said:

Just grind for the legendary mod and it'll feel like Fletcher Torpedoes...

Edit: oh wait, wrong info, but still, it's a good upgrade.
Although aside from torpedoes, Gearing needs a ship model rework.

I have the UU but what's that got to do with the incredibly weak damage the torps do?

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11 minutes ago, Florendo19 said:

They are giving it a torp reload buff on the 16km ones so that it feels somewhat better but yeah it could use a bit of help to catch up to the rest of the newer DDs due to power creep. Not too much though because I think a model rework, the torp buff and maybe something like better rudder shift would really go a long way.

I would be happy with just more torp damage honestly. I can deal with the crappy guns and it doesn't maneuver all that bad but to put 8 torps into a broadside ship from 2km away and do less than 10k  damage per torp is just silly.

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2 minutes ago, Brhinosaurus said:

Remember when Gearing was the ROF king?  Yeah, the guns were floaty, so you didn't want to get into a long range duel with a groz or a khab, and it didn't have as good of torps as a shima, or a neat trick like Z-52's hydro... but the one thing it was good at was a short range raw DPS race.  ...then the released Harugumo, and then Daring. 

The float is what makes the guns so horrible.

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Gearing is a good ship, but as mentioned it has been power crept. I did read about the buff to reload time, was happy to see that. I really rationed torpedo shots with it because of the long reload time.

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I don't think Gearing needs a buff, she is very good currently.  She got buffed extremely hard when they changed how 283mm+ AP works against DDs and her long range torpedoes are getting a buff next patch.

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1 hour ago, Vaffu said:

I would be happy with just more torp damage honestly. I can deal with the crappy guns and it doesn't maneuver all that bad but to put 8 torps into a broadside ship from 2km away and do less than 10k  damage per torp is just silly.

I mean you may have saturated that section of hull so you get less Damage per torp. Gearing struggles at mid range engagements but due to the long 16km torps can be effective at long range and at short range the guns if used properly will shred most DDs. The AA can be fairly respectable for a DD if you use AA mod 1, the sectors, and DFAA. But the silhouette is much higher than Yue Yang and other DDs and she turns worse than Fletcher without the rudder shift mod. The Fletcher torps have shorter reload and do more damage so I really appreciate the upcoming torp reload buff. All around I like her but just tweak those things and I will be really happy

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1 minute ago, Florendo19 said:

I mean you may have saturated that section of hull so you get less Damage per torp. Gearing struggles at mid range engagements but due to the long 16km torps can be effective at long range and at short range the guns if used properly will shred most DDs. The AA can be fairly respectable for a DD if you use AA mod 1, the sectors, and DFAA. But the silhouette is much higher than Yue Yang and other DDs and she turns worse than Fletcher without the rudder shift mod. The Fletcher torps have shorter reload and do more damage so I really appreciate the upcoming torp reload buff. All around I like her but just tweak those things and I will be really happy

I hit a full health ship from 2km away with 8 torps so no wasn't damage saturation. More often than not Gearings torps do 9k or less damage per torp always. I am not saying it needs a buff in any other area but torp damage is pitiful.

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28 minutes ago, LuckyStarFan said:

I don't think Gearing needs a buff, she is very good currently.  She got buffed extremely hard when they changed how 283mm+ AP works against DDs and her long range torpedoes are getting a buff next patch.

None of which has any impact on torpedo damage. Gearings torps are pitiful there is no arguing that.

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Gearing 16.5km torps will be getting a reload boost next patch. Their damage has never been huge, but they have very good range and detection. Can't have it all.

Also, <10k damage per torpedo is very normal when hitting a T10 battleship in the torp bulge. Z-52 has it even worse, actually.

If you want nuclear-tipped torpedoes, IJN or bust.

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23 minutes ago, Vaffu said:

None of which has any impact on torpedo damage. Gearings torps are pitiful there is no arguing that.

The problem isn't that the Gearing torps do pitiful damage, per se.  The problem is that these high tier BBs have some excellent underwater torpedo protection.  IIRC, the Yammy has 50% torp damage reduction, for example.

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30 minutes ago, Crucis said:

The problem isn't that the Gearing torps do pitiful damage, per se.  The problem is that these high tier BBs have some excellent underwater torpedo protection.  IIRC, the Yammy has 50% torp damage reduction, for example.

55% actually, same with Mush, the SoDak twins are I think 49-52%.

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12 minutes ago, Purg473 said:

55% actually, same with Mush, the SoDak twins are I think 49-52%.

My bad.  Still, the point is that those ships have such good underwater protection that they reduce torp damage pretty severely.    Ya just gotta do that best you can.  But if one is looking for really heavy torp damage, it's better to be torping cruisers or destroyers which have far worse torp protection, if any at all.

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Just now, Crucis said:

My bad.  Still, the point is that those ships have such good underwater protection that they reduce torp damage pretty severely.    Ya just gotta do that best you can.  But if one is looking for really heavy torp damage, it's better to be torping cruisers or destroyers which have far worse torp protection, if any at all.

Nah, I didn't mean to come across as a know it all on it, come to think of it, I'm probably off by a couple percentage points.

Come to think of it, Amagis got like 40% too doesn't it?

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Gee, and I have seen IJN DD mains whine that Gearing torpedoes are superior to IJN torpedoes due to range and detection (and apparently torpedo spread because "USN torpedoes spreads less than IJN torpedoes")

What a change of pace.

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1 hour ago, Crucis said:

The problem isn't that the Gearing torps do pitiful damage, per se.  The problem is that these high tier BBs have some excellent underwater torpedo protection.  IIRC, the Yammy has 50% torp damage reduction, for example.

 Gearings torps are weak. I hit another DD the match after that one with a torp and did only 9k damage. Most times Gearings torps only hit for 9kish

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36 minutes ago, RyuuohD_NA said:

Gee, and I have seen IJN DD mains whine that Gearing torpedoes are superior to IJN torpedoes due to range and detection (and apparently torpedo spread because "USN torpedoes spreads less than IJN torpedoes")

What a change of pace.

The spread thing is nonsense. Gearing torps are like a shotgun you can fit two Bbs between the torps even at intermediate range.

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