The iChase Case

[Elo_J_Fudpucker]

[Language Warning: This video does contain some expletives, however the content is relevant to game discussion]

So... this video echoes my sentiments right down the line.    Fun has left the building...  but as @iChase says, WG continues to tell me everything is great.  Despite this assurance, the evidence in this forum and in other places is that WG has created a mire... and a mire is generally sticky and gooey.... it is a mess.

iChase is one of the better/smarter players in the game and one of more level headed CCs.. if he thinks things are fubar'd, they likely are?. eh?.

I feel like one of those situations where ... you loved them..deeply, and still do, but they have changed and are not the one you fell in love with anymore... you don't want to leave... but... you also know that on the present course ... you know you will have to.


Everything iChase covers in this video is spot on. Last fall WG made a big show of asking us if we are having fun, and the answer is No... and despite them hearing it over and over, WG claims all is well. It isn't. 

I came close many times in the last week of packing the bags and just leaving.... it is no longer fulfilling.  The game is broken, and it isn;t just the CV situation... it is the lazy "radar that sees through islands" programming ( make radar another player in the code so it doesn't see through islands like we can't?!?!) It is the menu interface that has gotten slower and slower,it is the poor disjointed communications, it is the way that WG treats the NA player base, it is the way WG keep adding bells and whistles instead of getting the core systems running well...

(repeating myself here..) putting a CV into the battle changes the entire game. So the game we have been playing for the last 3 years, that was largely not a CV game, is not a CV based game. When a CV is i the battle, all issues revolve around that ship. What is does and does not do controls and influences the entire map. No other ship has the ability to change the entire game. No ship has that ability, and doesn't have to risk their existence in the game to accomplish it. There is no way to introduce a CV into battle and not have it bee the dominant force. In order for it to "be a cv" in a meaningful way, it will be dominant. Nerfing everything to make it fit.. is not working.

Also as iChase says, he and other CC have tried to get a point across.. I and many others have as well... but WG says all is well... and it is not.  All the lipstick in the world is not going to help this situation.

So.. I am with iChase... I am on the back burner... I am calling for a trial separation. You've changed for the worse WG and I won't live like this... ( lol)   so yeah...

[Velled]

The statement everyone should remember....

My team wins.... but my game play experience was [edited].

[DevilFreak]

I agree 110% on this.

 

Game is rough and difficult with this current meta with the CVs and buncha other [edited] like ya'll mentioned.

 

The thing for me is the CVs and being spotted all the freaking time. People have talked about it many times over and WGs response is to nerf the squadron load times.. great and all but 45 seconds isnt enough time to get to any cap or position yourselves.

 

Id think that since the re work, it spiralled out of control and little by little people are quitting because of this. 

 

This topic will either get deleted or locked if enough ppl respond to it.

 

But i say this. Keep your chin up people. It is a game and isnt the end of the world. But, it would be great for the game to be fun again.

[Cruxdei]

CV players right now.

 

[Legio_X_]

you know what would be fun and engaging? We as a community come together and spawn nothing but mino/DM/and worchester. Give all these CV elites a taste of their own medicine.

[CaptainTeddybear]

Addressing the perma-spotting with a 30-45 second delay just proves the disconnect from reality.

[Ensign_Cthulhu]

7 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

iChase is one of the better/smarter players in the game

I am not inclined to agree with this opinion.

7 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

and one of more level headed CCs

Or with this one.

8 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

So the game we have been playing for the last 3 years, that was largely not a CV game,

Or with this one.

9 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

There is no way to introduce a CV into battle and not have it bee the dominant force.

Or with this one.

 

10 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

it is the way that WG treats the NA player base,

There is a subset of the NA player base that is so abusive and unbalanced I'm surprised some of them haven't had their accounts banned.

12 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

No other ship has the ability to change the entire game.

Tell that to the CV players still working their way up at T4. Ask them how many devastating strikes they've had since the Rework. 

 

14 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

doesn't have to risk their existence in the game to accomplish it.

*sigh* The number of times I've died to surface gunfire... And I've sunk quite a few carriers too, before and after the rework. If your surface-gunfire ships are out of position and your opponent has a good DD player, your carrier WILL get wrecked. 

 

You can't argue that the presence of a carrier in the game is the presence of an infinitely powerful hammer of death. If this were the case, the CVs on both sides should be the last ships standing, and the results should be decided in a secondary duel or carrier-on-carrier ramming attack as they fight for control of the caps with the other ships all gone. How did my team manage to claw back a win on Monday when the enemy Clemson got in behind us and wrecked all three CV's in about a minute?

The game frequently goes to the team that actually pays attention to the targets the CV is spotting and can reply with gunfire that is both timely and accurate. These are things which are completely independent of the carrier's presence on the field; they are a matter of good luck in drawing perceptive and capable team-mates.

[JAPridemore]

Perma spotted by CVs sucks. When a CV spots you it should show you on the mini-map but not make you targetable by the surface units.

[VorTex_Eagle875]

I spent a lot of money of ships the last few years that are now unplayable and the more i think about it the more it is starting to eat at me.

i just renewed premium for a month, but I'm waiting to see what the next few patches look like.

Not having fun anymore so whats the point?

 

[KilljoyCutter]

But I thought that the rework was supposed to "fix" the "problem" of carriers spotting...

 

 

[dimzzy]

1. He went alone too close, sure he got focused. I mean he was the only BB pushing against several other ships.

2. He was a heavy hitter--of course CV prioritized him.

3. His CV should be dropping fighters and there will be no problem.

4. Imagine a sneaky DD derping him with deep water torps... oh wait--that's fine.

5. The amount of damage he got from CV was not devastating at all. I'm surprised he was not molested by red lemmings.

Overall, that's what you get when you play aggressively in BB which is not top tier. Maybe he needs a break after all.

[Ghawain]

I wonder if getting rid of multiple strikes per attack group would help all this rage. Just bump squadron size a little and bump damage a little bit, but drop plane health to make up for more planes and then make it so you only get one attempt and then back to the carrier for the next group. 

People wouldn't be spotted all the time, and their perception of being harrassed all battle long would hopefully subside too. Not to mention, DD would have a shot of getting away before the next wave comes.

[CaptainTeddybear]

2 minutes ago, dimzzy said:

Overall, that's what you get when you play aggressively in BB which is not top tier. Maybe he needs a break after all.

It's probably best if everybody that does not play CVs took a few months off.

[Elo_J_Fudpucker]

... You can't have a CV be in a battle, have it be a CV in any meaningful way, and not have it be dominant on the map...  it is oil and water... if they nerf the CV to the point where it isn't, it will be not fun, and if they boost AA to the point where a ship can defend itself well, we have the same problem....  how do you fit a ship that has such potential to be dominant into a battle, and not have it be what it is?????

 

[Parliament_Funkadelic]

I love it. IChAse +100

[CO_Valle]

Watched half the video... nothing but whining... I stopped watching...

Ichase is usually the one giving some reason or constructive criticism... does he do this on the second half of the video?.

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"[...] my game experience [...]"

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as a cruiser main I learned to deal with this stuff when those BBs one-shot me,... or what of those BBs one shot by DDs,... or those DDs one shot by Cruisers... or the CVs one shot everyone (guess what... this no longer happens).

[LT_Rusty_SWO]

I had a carrier driver do that exact same thing to me last week. I was driving a soviet cruiser. I was not off by myself. I had friends around as we went for a cap. Then all of a sudden the red carrier planes showed up wouldn't leave me alone. Took me down to low enough hit points that a Kagero was able to finish me with one gun salvo. I got pissed enough that I haven't played a game since. Even skipped out on clan battles.

Who was that carrier player?

Oh, right. It was @iChase. 

So hey, I'm kind of torn between feeling sympathy because it happened to him and feeling outright gleeful schadenfreude that it happened to him.

[The_Chiv]

I laughed so hard watching this. 

 

[Bear_82]

33 minutes ago, Elo_J_Fudpucker said:

. . .

I feel like one of those situations where ... you loved them..deeply, and still do, but they have changed and are not the one you fell in love with anymore... you don't want to leave... but... you also know that on the present course ... you know you will have to.

. . .
 

you just described my relationship with planes pre-/post-2.0

[dimzzy]

7 minutes ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

It's probably best if everybody that does not play CVs took a few months off.

^^^ that's how we know we can safely ignore whatever you say

[Ensign_Cthulhu]

1 minute ago, LT_Rusty_SWO said:

Who was that carrier player?

Oh, right. It was @iChase. 

So hey, I'm kind of torn between feeling sympathy because it happened to him and feeling outright gleeful schadenfreude that it happened to him.

Oh dear.

He's already been in trouble with WG once, IIRC - if it turns out he's whining about being punished by carriers after having dealt it out with aircraft to some other poor sucker, it won't go down well for him.

[Francois424]

13 minutes ago, Ghawain said:

I wonder if getting rid of multiple strikes per attack group would help all this rage. Just bump squadron size a little and bump damage a little bit, but drop plane health to make up for more planes and then make it so you only get one attempt and then back to the carrier for the next group. 

People wouldn't be spotted all the time, and their perception of being harrassed all battle long would hopefully subside too. Not to mention, DD would have a shot of getting away before the next wave comes.

IMHO, that and/or when an attacking sequence is engaged, if planes in said attack sequence that are shutdown aren't replaced for that attack run.
If we could mitigate incoming attack runs with above average AA (1 shutdown is one less torp and less rockets !) then good.
Of course it means going back to the alpha strike thing, but I never had a problem with that myself (well, except AP bombs, but let's fix this slowly, one step at a time).

[Lert]

You mean that video where a carrier spends 8.5 minutes focusing the crap out of a same tier battleship and doesn't even manage to sink him?

[Daniel_Allan_Clark]

I'm just so amused that people are ok being griefed by any number of the game mechanics...IFHE, concealment captain skill plus module, detonations, radar through islands, etc...

...but a carrier spends half the match sinking them and the game is suddenly an awful experience.

What game have you been playing for the last three years?

[Crucis]

I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for iChase in this video.  He was a super unicum in RTS CVs, so he most certainly "ruined" the games of hundreds of non-CV players in his time playing RTS CVs!  He's nothing but a god damned fricking hypocrite in this video!  

 

2 hours ago, The_Chiv said:

I laughed so hard watching this. 

 

So did I.  I loved every second of iChase getting a taste of his own medicine!!!  The taste of his tears was delicious!!!