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The Kirov has made me fall in love with Russian Cruisers

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6 battles in, and I'm averaging 47k damage with an 82% win rate.  I know the tiny sample size, but the playstyle just seems to click.  Is this playstyle what I can expect up through the Chapayev?  What about the Dimitri Donskoi?

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Buddy will give you smaller guns, a trend that will continue until Dimitri when you get back the bigger guns. Buddy, Schors and Chappy all awesome fire spammers.

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Kirov thru Chappy play more or less the same: weak armor, but excellent HE spammers. The torps make good island ambushes. I've not run any in AA spec, but from facing them in CV, lingering over them is foolish.

Donskoi is when things differ. You're a bus and better suited to support cruiser role with the BBs. Your 8km torps are hard to use well with that 55 knot speed.

Moskva basically plays like a BB with less armor, but has incredible MB velocity and her AP is excellent at anti-cruiser work.

It's a pretty good line, but need to be familiar with the ship's concealment and rely on dodging BB fire to make a difference.

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1 hour ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

6 battles in, and I'm averaging 47k damage with an 82% win rate.  I know the tiny sample size, but the playstyle just seems to click.  Is this playstyle what I can expect up through the Chapayev?  What about the Dimitri Donskoi?

Pffft as if!

We all know the reason for your improved stats - it's clear from your avatar; you have someone else playing the game for you! (he's getting big!) :Smile-_tongue:

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DO NOT SHOW BROADSIDE TO ANYONE:Smile_trollface:

 

 

Friend also can citadel you just looking

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I'm enjoying Kirov as well...

...now that I play it as an open water capital ship screen.

Find the friendly BB and make DDs or cruisers or airplanes regret the day they thought they'd farm that battleship.

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Dance, dance dance. And don't be afraid to load AP in any of them, the ballistics are great.

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The play style is very consistent from the Budy to the Donskoi. That being said I hated them all besides the Moskva, and it really irks me when it's the same thing for four tiers and then something arguably quite different at the end. 

 

Spoiler

Same deal with IJN and USN BBs... the Yamato is arguably a better play style fit to the NC and Iowa and the Monty is arguably a better play style fit to the Myogi - Amagi (we don't talk about Izumo). But you can say it is that way for historical reasons. You can't really argue that for the paper Moskva.

 

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I await you report on that ship once the detentions and dev strikes start rolling in. That cruiser was more fragile than the emerald in my experience and I free exped out of it asap.

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5 minutes ago, Krupp_Sabot said:

I await you report on that ship once the detentions and dev strikes start rolling in. That cruiser was more fragile than the emerald in my experience and I free exped out of it asap.

Eh, I only need 15k xp to finish the grind to Buddy, I'm sure I can tough it out.

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14 minutes ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

Eh, I only need 15k xp to finish the grind to Buddy, I'm sure I can tough it out.

Make sure to have ifhe on your captain already on the buddy or you will experience pain vs t8 bbs.

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The budyony is a solid crusier as said above very weak armor, if any but if you are not the focus of anyone they are deadly . T6 T7 and T8. are similar but with progression the ships get longer and more sluggish . You'll come to like the line alot ,solid dpm ships and good accurate guns and range .

IFHE highly recommended.

 

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2 hours ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

6 battles in, and I'm averaging 47k damage with an 82% win rate.  I know the tiny sample size, but the playstyle just seems to click.  Is this playstyle what I can expect up through the Chapayev?  What about the Dimitri Donskoi?

Hey CaptainKaitoGhost,

It is awesome to see you enjoying the Kirov! The Kirov sits in a funny spot on the tech tree. The Kirov has large guns for its tier with rail-gun like speed. Once you finish the Kirov you will get to the Budyonny and that is where you will probably have to change your captain skills a little bit. You will go from 180 mm guns to 152 mm guns on the Budyonny, Shchors, and Chapayev and to be most effective you will need IFHE. You will then go back to larger sized guns with the Dmitri Donskoi and the Moskva. 

What I did was have two different captains because honestly if you are going to keep any of the ships in the line you will most likely need two different captains. Now if this is not possible for you, you are going to have to make the tough choice if you are going to respec after the Kirov to IFHE for the next 3 ships. You can get away with not doing that but be prepared to rely more on fire damage than pure shell damage. You will also get a lot of shell breaks.

Good luck Captain with whatever you choose to do and remember:

  • Tier 6: Budyonny - 152 mm
  • Tier 7: Shchors - 152 mm
  • Tier 8: Chapayev - 152 mm
  • Tier 9 Dmitri Donskoi - 180 mm
  • Tier 10 Moskva - 220 mm
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They are a blast until you make one mistake....  then...

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1 hour ago, Krupp_Sabot said:

I await you report on that ship once the detentions and dev strikes start rolling in. That cruiser was more fragile than the emerald in my experience and I free exped out of it asap.

Yep.

The trick seems to be to always make yourself an unappealing target.

Because it feels like even near misses can detonate you.

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1 hour ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

Eh, I only need 15k xp to finish the grind to Buddy, I'm sure I can tough it out.

Don't forget, you have the Molotov which has the Donskoi's guns if you want a good taste of the firepower that awaits.

 

Oh, and do your best to get the Lazo. Another truly fun Soviet CL!

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15 minutes ago, Yureikuma said:

Don't forget, you have the Molotov which has the Donskoi's guns if you want a good taste of the firepower that awaits.

 

Oh, and do your best to get the Lazo. Another truly fun Soviet CL!

The Molotov is a fun ship that I simply don't play enough.  I may have to use it to help grind those last 3 skill points I need for IFHE before getting the Budyonny.

 

Lazo looks fun, too.  When does the event end?  I'm not sure if I can earn enough coins beforehand to get it.

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3 hours ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

6 battles in, and I'm averaging 47k damage with an 82% win rate.  I know the tiny sample size, but the playstyle just seems to click.  Is this playstyle what I can expect up through the Chapayev?  What about the Dimitri Donskoi?

Tier V Kirov is closer in style to Tier VI Premium Molotov, IX Dmitri Donskoi, X Moskva.

Molotov, Kirov, D.Donskoi all use 180mm guns, it's just the ones on the Tier V & Premium Tier VI are a bit gimped compared to the full powered ones on Tier IX.  They're still powerful guns.

 

Tier VI-VIII use the fabulous RU 152mm guns.  9 of them in VI Budyonny, 12 of them on VII Schors and Chapayev.  Chapayev is a bit sneakier and has long range Radar.  They naturally have less power per shell than the 180s but you got DPM at range.  IFHE is kind of needed for the 152mm RU CLs.

 

All the RU Cruisers are ranged specialists and are quite good in that capacity.

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3 hours ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

6 battles in, and I'm averaging 47k damage with an 82% win rate.  I know the tiny sample size, but the playstyle just seems to click.  Is this playstyle what I can expect up through the Chapayev?  What about the Dimitri Donskoi?

The Kirov is, in my experience, is my favorite cruiser in the Russian line.  Those 7.1 inch guns have really good AP performance for the tier and are even more impressive when trying to burn an enemy down to the waterline with HE.  She needs to wiggle her little tushy a bit to stay out of trouble as she's not particularly durable (but them again, at T5, what cruisers are).  She's fast, has a good rudder shift and is just a handy ship. 

Things get a bit disappointing from there.  The Budyonny and Schors carry smaller 6 inch guns which load faster, have laser like accuracy but cause a good deal less damage and as has been explained previous, they need some help from Commander skills to really match what the Kirov's guns can do.  The other issue with these ships is their turn rate and responsiveness to the helm.  They're fast, but it honestly feels like you're trying to turn in a sea of peanut butter as compared to the Kirov. 

This isn't to say that they aren't good and effective ships, but they require a different approach and there are a lot of times I've wished they were more like a better protected Kirov.  

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39 minutes ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

The Molotov is a fun ship that I simply don't play enough.  I may have to use it to help grind those last 3 skill points I need for IFHE before getting the Budyonny.

 

Lazo looks fun, too.  When does the event end?  I'm not sure if I can earn enough coins beforehand to get it.

28th. You need to be averaging 50/day to be able to get the Lazo. (Or have purchased some crates, to offset that grind.):Smile_teethhappy:

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Kirov was ok, but you absolutely have to keep your distance, your ROF is too slow to go mano a mano at "hard to miss" ranges.

Once you get the 152mm guns on Buddy, you make up for the lack of punch with DPS. DDs appearing close by are no longer a death sentence, you can kill them pretty quickly.

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4 hours ago, CaptainKaitoGhost said:

 What about the Dimitri Donskoi?

I consider it the top of the Russian Cruiser line after driving Moskva for a few games. Excellent looong range fire-starter with super accuracy. Even the AP can do serious harm to anything broadside. Somewhat squishy but more manoeuvrable then all her sisters so at long range it's not too hard to sidestep incoming fire.  

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The Shchors has always been one of my favorite Soviet cruisers.  The amount of firepower it has at Tier 7 is insane.  The Moskva is also a blast once you make it to Tier 10.  Tankiest traditional cruiser in the game, with a great combination of utility, AP and HE.  If I want to play a cruiser I know will excel in any situation, regardless of the map or MM, the Moskva is it.  

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T9 guns on a t5, what could possibly happen?

OPAF that's what!

 

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