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One thing I have definitely found out is that after grinding to get something it's AWAYS hard to pull the trigger LOLOLOL    So I have the 4 skill points available now for my 10 point Captain to get IFHE now.  I am having a blast playing her... Pretty aggressive at all times and burning down BBs  I never stop moving and use cover to turn and burn, sometimes in very close combat+ ... I PITY any DD that gets in range.  That said   I never get Cits in her but I do all day in my BB so it's not my aim but my gear.    I know getting it lowers the chance of setting fires but I always fire all 15 guns at the same time and when they hit it's awesome.  Would IFHE really help me do more Damage?

 

Playing every class evenly was some of the best advice I ever got here.  It helps me in every class in how to fight others.

 

As aways Thnx for the info. I'm out of upvotes.

 

Col out!

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I went with IFHE on the Helena before CE (not like Cleveland which I felt needed CE first)

... over 149k XP on her now with a 14 point captain and only recently added CE.  Never regretted the choice.

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IFHE is a major help.  It drastically increases the amount of damage you do against BBs and Tier 8+ cruisers.  Keep in mind that cruisers and DDs only have 30 second fire durations, which means most of your damage against them comes directly from pure HE damage anyway.  So IFHE only really negatively impacts the amount of fire damage you do against BBs.....but given IFHE also drastically increases your direct HE damage against BBs, it's not even a question. 

IFHE is a must have on the Helena.

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5 minutes ago, Col_Nasty said:

One thing I have definitely found out is that after grinding to get something it's AWAYS hard to pull the trigger LOLOLOL    So I have the 4 skill points available now for my 10 point Captain to get IFHE now.  I am having a blast playing her... Pretty aggressive at all times and burning down BBs  I never stop moving and use cover to turn and burn, sometimes in very close combat+ ... I PITY any DD that gets in range.  That said   I never get Cits in her but I do all day in my BB so it's not my aim but my gear.    I know getting it lowers the chance of setting fires but I always fire all 15 guns at the same time and when they hit it's awesome.  Would IFHE really help me do more Damage?

 

Playing every class evenly was some of the best advice I ever got here.  It helps me in every class in how to fight others.

 

As aways Thnx for the info. I'm out of upvotes.

 

Col out!

IFHE and CE are probably the two most important skills for the USN cruisers, and choosing which one to get first depends entirely on your playstyle.

If you swap ammo regularly (USN AP really is underrated), then IFHE might not be the best investment, it only helps when you use HE. If you tend to stick with HE, IFHE is the better skill.

If you are an open water/ BB escort style player, CE is VERY important, but if granite is your waifu, CE doesn't help very much.

Given what you've described of your playstyle, I'd go with CE first and pick up IFHE second, but YMMV...

 

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11 minutes ago, Col_Nasty said:

So I have the 4 skill points available now for my 10 point Captain to get IFHE now.  I am having a blast playing her... Pretty aggressive at all times and burning down BBs  I never stop moving and use cover to turn and burn, sometimes in very close combat+ ... I PITY any DD that gets in range.  That said   I never get Cits in her but I do all day in my BB so it's not my aim but my gear.    I know getting it lowers the chance of setting fires but I always fire all 15 guns at the same time and when they hit it's awesome.  Would IFHE really help me do more Damage?

Yes.  IFHE before CE, though many will differ.

Don't forget that she has good AP, too.  Try that on a cruiser that you manage to get an angle on, and look at the holes!

 

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I personally prefer CE, but IFHE is the usual recommended choice, and it's a good one.

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Thanx guys!!  I got it and WOW!!   Now I need 4 more points for CE so a grinding I will go...........  : )

 

Col Out!

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IFHE and CE are a must. CE because you'll be using island cover a lot. IFHE because 152mm HE penetration. At Tier 7 you can still do open water fights in a CL, just make sure not too many are shooting at you and that you can go undetected ASAP. Kite away, cut throttle, try to point stern at enemy, and pray RNGesus doesn't favor the enemy. If given the choice between open water fighting and using island cover, use island cover. Ships like the Helena excel in matches where multiple enemies are pushing a flank. Hope your allies can live long enough to keep you safe so you can safely spam shells from behind island cover. Enjoy, she's awesome.

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6 hours ago, CaucasianReroll said:

IFHE is so crucial, I would even get it before Concealment in this day and age.

My Helena captain used to be a Cleveland captain, on which I got IFHE first. I changed my mind and trained up another one with CE because that way my radar and concealment ranges matched more efficiently. 

The Helena became a co-op Derp ship, because there was no need ever to rush through the grind (I already had the Cleveland at T8 from the split), and she is as fun as hell.

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On 5/2/2019 at 6:57 PM, iDuckman said:

Yes.  IFHE before CE, though many will differ.

Don't forget that she has good AP, too.  Try that on a cruiser that you manage to get an angle on, and look at the holes!

 

WOW!!!  Were you so right!  This why I come here.  I never used the AP on Cruisers.  I guess I saw them bounce off so many others getting no damage I gave up and went full time HE.  Now I am getting 7 -8 cits when I get the right angle on Cruisers.  One round I had 26 cits : )  Thanx.

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Consistent damage > fire damage. And consistent damage is what IFHE give you. No light cruiser should leave port without it.

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I play the Helena very often I have Dasha as her captain 19 pt.

I find my Captain skills very very useful for my style of play.Screenshot_93.thumb.png.b388557bfcab6f147f26bb2f8e2a48e8.png

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Umm and honestly consider adding RPF to the mix.   You may not see the DD, but you'll know it's there and well.. wanna send a DD driver to full brown alert?  Charge 'em.. watch em pop smoke instead of doing the smart thing and running away.  Helena has Hydro.. CHARGE the smoke!  I've bagged 3 DD's in a single match doing that on a day I was bottom tier in the Helena.. I must admit it did feel good.  Players do not expect USN cruisers to have Hydro.

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IFHE is very important, especially when being up-tiered.  You see, HE penetration value is shell caliber divided by 6, with some exceptions being divided by 4 (IJN Gunboats, German ships outside of DDs and some of their secondaries as some examples) and a great deal of battleships get 32mm plating.  Without IFHE, you only can penetrate 25mm with the 152mm guns of Helena, which is fine for T7 and lower BBs (mostly) but the extra will absolutely help, and a must when farming T8+ BBs.  

So unless you want the headahce of seeing almost all shells shatter outside of superstructure hits on T8+ BBs, get IFHE asap and all 152-155mm armed ships that have a chance of seeing T8+.

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18 minutes ago, TL_Warlord_Roff said:

Umm and honestly consider adding RPF to the mix.   You may not see the DD, but you'll know it's there and well.. wanna send a DD driver to full brown alert?  Charge 'em.. watch em pop smoke instead of doing the smart thing and running away.  Helena has Hydro.. CHARGE the smoke!  I've bagged 3 DD's in a single match doing that on a day I was bottom tier in the Helena.. I must admit it did feel good.  Players do not expect USN cruisers to have Hydro.

I don't have Helena yet, but I love doing that with Boise, and I can even heal if I eat a torp in doing so.  

Helena's little sister Dallas isn't bad, either.

(It's no accident that the CL *and* CA war-built US cruisers were based on the Brooklyn hull, rather than New Orleans.)

Edited by mavfin87

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On 5/2/2019 at 9:43 PM, Col_Nasty said:

One thing I have definitely found out is that after grinding to get something it's AWAYS hard to pull the trigger LOLOLOL    So I have the 4 skill points available now for my 10 point Captain to get IFHE now.  I am having a blast playing her... Pretty aggressive at all times and burning down BBs  I never stop moving and use cover to turn and burn, sometimes in very close combat+ ... I PITY any DD that gets in range.  That said   I never get Cits in her but I do all day in my BB so it's not my aim but my gear.    I know getting it lowers the chance of setting fires but I always fire all 15 guns at the same time and when they hit it's awesome.  Would IFHE really help me do more Damage?

 

Playing every class evenly was some of the best advice I ever got here.  It helps me in every class in how to fight others.

 

As aways Thnx for the info. I'm out of upvotes.

 

Col out!

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