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OUI OUI !!! French CV's are possible. Here's my plan:

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Being a fan naval aviation forced me to put in the effort to create a COMPLETE tree for the French carrier line. This is what you would get if I were put in charge of developing the tech tree (I'm not). It assumes that the CV rework is complete and they have put in the needed adjustments to AA and spotting  (long way to go).After a bit of research i have put together a tech tree for French carriers.It was NOT EASY since most of what you see here was on paper and only BEARN  was completed. Joffre had its keel laid and then was scrapped. I will start with EVEN TIERS in my first post since that seems to be the norm right now. I do believe FRENCH carriers would be a positive addition. I have tuned in as much HISTORICAL ACCURACY as possible here...planes match the carriers and the time frame referenced as much as possible. I have also thought about what "GIMMICK" the French carriers could have since WG loves gimmicks. I will post my idea in a subsequent post. No...it does NOT have to do with planes that fly backwards....carriers that have speed boost in reverse nor auto-scuttle themselves.  HERE WE GO............

 

TIER IV (tech tree ship)  TOURVILLE

In 1936 the Conseil Supérieur  emphasized the need for carriers and put forward the idea of converting France's first Washington Treaty heavy cruisers the Duquesne and the Tourville, into carriers. Two studies retained one 8-inch gun turret and the other eliminated the main battery entirely. The displacement would rise to 12,000 tons standard and the ships could carry twelve to fourteen aircraft. This idea was dropped in favour of new construction. Well here is Tourville converted to a carrier without the 8 inch guns. I let Duquesne sit this one out just in case of a French cruiser line split or whatever in the future. Tourville.thumb.png.0fa65c7d12d6fd7bfd1aa377155afabf.png                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           DuquesneClass.thumb.png.fb8a9627fda6d79e36469f619c46f4d7.png

 

Aircraft Available:     Attack and Fighter/      Bleriot-Spad 510 (navalized) SPAD_510.jpg.d5469f7461300ef782e91958d073b771.jpgSpad_S_510.jpg.b22cb5e8fb829fd7f4b03002e50ff400.jpgSPAD510WoW.thumb.jpg.ac095ef7e8bd666863eb45e0afd22a0b.jpg

 

This aircraft model is already in the World of Warplanes inventory. Performance is similar to the Gloster Sea Gladiator. It would of course need a tailhook added.

 

DIVE BOMBER: Curtiss SBC-4 Helldiver (Lend-Lease)613414752_FrenchSBC4.thumb.jpg.642a79d7197f24cdfb6f8b576224f8d6.jpg15_Curtiss_SBC-4_French.thumb.jpg.13fd3da232dbf3de07333bd6d4710805.jpgSBC-4HelldiverFrench.thumb.jpg.1cd6a68ef801b0fd37c8389887dbdec2.jpgSBC4_top_front.thumb.jpg.9d6c6d62cc4ecb09fe30cde2ae996033.jpgSBC4_model.thumb.JPG.2b12d68c3ee23bbc209511cc4c7a9efc.JPGCurtissSBC-4-E.jpg.06aac8f0f05e483404d4948c8c205d5c.jpg

 

Another model already in the game. The French carrier Bearn was transporting 30 or more of these to France (Brand new from the USA) when France fell to the Germans. These planes were offloaded on the island of Martinique in the Caribbean. There they sat out the war in a field and were eventually scrapped.  Here they actually make it to France and are put into use aboard TOURVILLE.

 

 

Torpedo Bomber/  Lavassuer PL 101pl101-c1.thumb.jpg.a48226dfe26f6fe4e41562d908c97225.jpgLavesssuerPL101.jpg.2585a3345fb4a110c058907f1a38bc62.jpg

Scout/Spotter aircraft/ Loire 210455732852_Loire210.thumb.jpg.5260abf736ad6c442166752b7e333252.jpg

 

 

I will post the Tier 6 shortly. (yes...its Bearn!) 

 

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Moving on to Bearn:

TIER VI- BEARN                                                         207822120_Bearn40.thumb.png.b3b32e018f9501debaea49fc32141326.png                                                                                                                                                                                                       1039972983_Bearn45.thumb.png.a37ea5dc1fe02493f6330f873e6221bc.png

Aircraft Available: Attack Fighter/ Grumman G36A (early F4F-3 Wildcat French purchased version)G36A_profile.jpg.099832feb24835fa65dd1dbf5d9bfce1.jpgG36A_1.thumb.jpg.b6ad783f444280a49c37d126359c7ac9.jpgG36A_model.thumb.jpg.9392e04f94a2d9602361a7cb2b48697c.jpg

The G-36A also had French instruments (with metric calibration), radio and gunsight. The throttle was modified to conform to French pre-war practice: the throttle lever was moved towards the pilot (i.e. backward) to increase engine power. The armament which was to be fitted in France was six 7.5 mm (.296 in) Darne machine guns (two in the fuselage and four in the wings). 

 

Dive Bomber/ Loire-Neuiport 410Loire_N_410.thumb.jpg.c3ac8e8d16fbdb2c2e694a7e40f7cdfb.jpgLN_410_model.jpg.eb1c9ac9bae18cc76676be776e55f9d9.jpgLN_401.thumb.jpg.fe392064ae55f0493ff1b89ac89c3e2a.jpg----------upgrades to Vought V-156-F (Vindicator French purchased version)V156drawing.thumb.jpg.7db4e34aec9d7ba76fb8d74df88dcb61.jpgV156_1.jpg.ccf7f2d2a54d9bac5e8c3e8feab908f7.jpg

 

Torpedo bomber/ Lavassuer PL 107  Levassuer_PL107.thumb.jpg.c805100308e2870380f0014ef3bd8f7f.jpgLV-pl107_photo.jpg.47f6413c0a6f50d024de52e24ae49db7.jpgpl-107.thumb.jpg.74b9a6ca42a9964c7850d218d702eb4d.jpg 

 

Spotter-Scout aircraft/ Le0_h43Le0_H43.thumb.jpg.baf577479f498b88eebb49c2ce4b2b69.jpg

Next is a surprise for a tier 6 PREMIUM!!

 

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TIER VI PREMIUM............why not?

Commadant Teste

Named for Paul Teste, a pioneer French Naval aviator. This ship was supposed to be another carrier with the Bearn. The funds were not there for two carriers so she was constructed as a seaplane tender/carrier hybrid. With the game as it is now I can't see why the hell not it just can't be a carrier WITHOUT a flight deck. Planes will of course be on floats. There has been other threads on this ship as a CV. I say DO IT WARGAMING....it will be unique and probably sell quite well. And besides.....there is (of course) an anime character ready to go. I suppose I will include a supposed drawing of a 1945 supposed conversion of Commadant Teste into a flat deck CV just in case.                                               Paul_Teste.png.101fdb322b38dfd8bcfe4f228e1139a1.pngfile.thumb.png.5a9ae97bb8d58a63e7c4402b744a49cb.png

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Aircraft: Attack and fighter/ Dewoitine HD 780 HD780.thumb.jpg.fcc24a0725dc4d85d327c64771103fab.jpghd26.thumb.jpg.9da9ca012b0e2ceea63035cf2dfa7b65.jpg

Dive Bomber AND Torpedo Bomber/ Latecoere 298608243595_Latecoere298.jpg.0394a8bb7121a13f9a306d89ad037da7.jpg

PREMIUM SHIP...therefore ARMOR PIERCING BOMBS.

 

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And just in case there HAS TO BE A FLIGHT DECK:french-seaplane-carrier-commandant-teste.png.62c3c816967e85bb3d5a0c4897d6b297.png

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Tier VIII- (tech tree ship)- JOFFRE 

 After the Conseil Supérieur completed yet another series of four studies (PA12 through PA15) an acceptable design (PA16) emerged and funding was authorized to construct two new carriers. 

The design incorporated a number of unusual features. There was a very long island starboard that incorporated not only the navigation and flying control spaces and the stack but also all the principal armament. To counterbalance it's weight the flight deck was offset to port, which served to eliminate the encroachment of the island on the flight deck and limited narrowing of the hangars. There were two hangars, one above the other. The upper hangar was 521 feet 7 inches long and 68 feet 3 inches wide, the lower was 259 feet 2 inches long and 51 feet 2 inches wide and they were connected to the flight deck by two large elevators. The flight deck carried transverse arresting wire gear but, unlike many of their foreign contemporaries, no catapults were fitted. The Joffre and the Painlevé were ordered from Chantiers de l'Atlantique (Penhoët -Loire) at St Nazaire in 1938. At the outbreak of war the Joffre was about 25 percent complete and the Painlevé only just started. Both hulls were dismantled on the slip after the Fall of France in June 1940. 

Displacement: 18,000 tons (standard), 20,000 tons (normal)
Dimensions: 774'0" (oa) x 80'6" x 21'6" (mean)
Flight Deck: 656'2" x 91'10"
Machinery: Parsons geared turbines, 8 Indret boilers, 2 shafts, 120,000 shp = 33knts
Bunkerage & Range: 7,000NM @ 20knts 
Aircraft: 40
Armament: 4 x twin 5.1"AA, 4 x twin 37mm AA, 6x Quadruple 12.7mm AA
Complement: 1,250

Joffre has an offset flight deck and was deisigned with a twin-engined bomber in mind. Note the unique rear elevator.

 

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Available aircraft:

Attack-Fighter/ Dewoitine 790. (navalized design of the Dewoitine 520 specifically for Joffre and her never-started sister ship Painleve) Dew790model.jpg.ada4da572ba02356f9892c842bb444d0.jpgDew790.thumb.jpg.84782d0e2bd466615b9993083697f4a6.jpgDew790profile.thumb.jpg.799e056ec6a47a90f9300917ead464d7.jpg

 

Bomber (again designed for operations aboard Joffre)/ Bruguet 810 166219900_BreguetBre810.gif.66a3499b38882dac4cde03f93cb7d3e3.gif1066789980_Breguet810.jpg.a626eb7c708d98c16026176e9673cac4.jpgBR810_model.JPG.1b65539b418ab4f14bc128ad291f0b85.JPG

Torpedo bomber/ Latecoere 299 (deck version of the Latecoere 298 float plane) 1323327189_Latecoere299.thumb.jpg.aa511f9b5596289503e7466e4db2da60.jpg

Spotter-scout planeLoire130.thumb.jpg.cacbad7c305999250456cb79556c1ed5.jpg

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Finally Tier X-  CLEMENCEAU          The ORIGINAL Clemenceau with strait deck.


"During the course of World War II designers in unoccupied France continued to work on aircraft carrier projects, though without any real hope of seeing them come to fruition. Their efforts however allowed the French government to approve the construction of a new carrier, to design PA28 in 1947. The ship was similar is size and design to the late-war British carriers but also incorporated the offset flight deck of the pre-war Joffre design and had an exceptionally heavy anti-aircraft battery. Budgetary constraints, however, led to the cancellation of this ship, by then named the Clémenceau, in 1950.


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Available Aircraft: 

Attack/Fighter-  SUD-EST 580 (proposed design) sud-est-580.jpg.451d51cd973ab5df858b55424a6e8699.jpgsud-est-580-model.jpg.5023c2f46e761a4a782200d38bfb02ae.jpgSE580-dr.thumb.jpg.9e4dfc0d4af5ce45c7cdc31bdfb2bef1.jpg

OR as a stand in.......a navalized Arsenal VB-10..........model already available in World of Warplanes catalogue.1775193035_ArsenalVB10.WOWPS.thumb.jpg.2c9fbb7655d0ef49ac44b53a28d4d9ef.jpgVB10.thumb.jpg.235f451adf0d24d7fb10423b381ec870.jpg

 

Bomber/ Nord 1500 Norclair 1376889876_NordNoreclair1.thumb.jpg.55ed2e25795714640635ec6f277a1965.jpgnord1500-1.thumb.gif.9bf754fa5eb01af096ba7d75a175d39a.gif1967505899_Norclair1.jpg.51b89cf890d6e88bcd76051161f83b20.jpgnord1500-8.thumb.jpg.50a411205edc741ea6b1c0c9ca44e366.jpgnord1500-4.thumb.jpg.3b6732f328a4bb97308975064127dbe6.jpg Another twin engine design for carrier use.

Torpedo bomber/   NC1070 (already available in World of Warplanes Catalog). NC1070.thumb.jpg.7f5eb8499d264f10b399f831971c4ce3.jpgNC1070_2.png.c59b4fa820fe65a0e238819d3d55933b.pngnc1070f.jpg.66b4ec25b55fb092f64f3ae2096076eb.jpg

 

Spotter aircraft/S-51_France.thumb.png.908fa6f9903ecaaee1c7e9cc373e1458.png French S-51(Sikorsky license)

 

Of course I will suggest the 1 million xp JET UPGRADE PACKAGE.................Aqilon_203.jpg.1a1c84975060711c6260fc47a4fcf5d4.jpgAquilon_profile.jpg.c06485b4fc0c2c9b3ea67614893a3977.jpg License built De Havilland sea Venom. Was in service after 1950....but should work just fine.

 

That's it for now............GERMAN CV tree next....with planes. Pulling my hair out with that one.    I will post the ODD tier French CV's at some point in the future.................Tier 5-Lafayette, Tier 7- "you get to name it"and Tier 9-Arromanches

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Very interesting im liking your idea of how the french CV line will be comandant teste maybe better as tier 4 pretty hard to make a french cv line as they use CV classes from the British and US but when WG made it only even tier CVs only, it made it easier to theorised what ship will be in line. To the point that my idea was almost the same as yours, the only difference was that I had Teste as a tier 4 line ship just because how slow she would be at tier 6.

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Could do tier 4 but you would have to change the aircraft back to Bi-plane fighters and bombers.26275488_file(1).thumb.png.1793d20f07bf072b56ee0136c59f949a.png

I have a hard time thinking about paying real monies for slow planes. Might kill the fun factor.pl15.jpg.25b1bb4e331203e6d43d4511dad51918.jpg If there were full tiers...then I could see her at tier 5.

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Alright......here's my FRENCH CARRIER GIMMICK.........................drum roll please........................tick tock tick tock.................BOOOOOM!!!

How about delayed action  bombs AND torpedoes? Player selects the squadron to be launched. A slider appears to set the fuse time from ZERO (contact detonation) to 2 minutes. Then presses again to launch the aircraft with that fuse setting applied. When HIT with a French bomb or torpedo......you either get a contact detonation (regular hit) or a metalic BANG followed by a ticking sound. That should cause some anxiety huh? After the fuse time you get the explosion and resulting damage. Better use your damage control wisely cause you don't know what you gonna get...LOL.   At 5 seconds remaining in the game...all ticking "time bomb" ordanance goes off regardless of time remaining. May just save a tight game for your team. Thought I would throw this one out there....now DUCK and COVER for the backlash. 

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