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Naval AV Boxes - NOT GIVING DOUBLOONS!!

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I had posted this in another  thread but wanted to share and ask if anyone had received Doubloons if they already had Kaga, Saipan, Enterprise and Graf Zepplin.  

I had noticed other posters had this same issue.   I have stayed away from the boxes and was almost completely out of flags and Camo that did anything useful so I bought 20 boxes.  I already had Saipan and got the other three. 

 

So I have bought 60 boxes since and not a single CV or the Doubloon value.   This seems to be the trend as nobody is reporting having received Doubloons instead of a second Kaga, Saipan, Enterprise or Graf Zepplin.   

I am very happy at getting all this Coal and Flags....Sci Fi camo not so much!  

Just do not do the math on these boxes or read into the advertisement about receiving the Doubloon value if you already own all of the CV's.

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WG playing it's customers? Color me surprised....:Smile_trollface:

No idea why you bought 60 more simply to test this out, that's a lot of camo.....But I guess that's what they were hoping for.:Smile_glasses:

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15 minutes ago, awiggin said:

WG playing it's customers? Color me surprised....:Smile_trollface:

No idea why you bought 60 more simply to test this out, that's a lot of camo.....But I guess that's what they were hoping for.:Smile_glasses:

Sorry I should explain,  My very first post and opinion of the game was that the CV part was screwed up beyond any belief. I am a long time CV hater. 

I have not bought stuff in protest. 

However I am having a blast at Tier 8 - 10.  Seven is fairly fun. Six and below not so much.  I want to go all in on the Game and CVs.

So I want the coal flags etc. 

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It’s rigged, it’s actually cheaper to just get the ships in the shop instead of gambling with loot boxes. 

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43 minutes ago, Toxic_Potato said:

I had posted this in another  thread but wanted to share and ask if anyone had received Doubloons if they already had Kaga, Saipan, Enterprise and Graf Zepplin.  

I had noticed other posters had this same issue.   I have stayed away from the boxes and was almost completely out of flags and Camo that did anything useful so I bought 20 boxes.  I already had Saipan and got the other three. 

 

So I have bought 60 boxes since and not a single CV or the Doubloon value.   This seems to be the trend as nobody is reporting having received Doubloons instead of a second Kaga, Saipan, Enterprise or Graf Zepplin.   

I am very happy at getting all this Coal and Flags....Sci Fi camo not so much!  

Just do not do the math on these boxes or read into the advertisement about receiving the Doubloon value if you already own all of the CV's.

You could have missed getting a CV in the later boxes. There are people reporting 20 box lots and not a CV among them. The reports of box drops are most likely confirmation bias as if you get a lot of CVs you are very likely to post about it. If you get few to no CVs, you are less likely to post about it.

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1 minute ago, alex08060 said:

It’s rigged, it’s actually cheaper to just get the ships in the shop instead of gambling with loot boxes. 

Got proof that it is rigged?

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8 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

Got proof that it is rigged?

Pretty simple see how much money you spend to get the 4 CVs in loot boxes vs buying all 4 CVs in the shop. The space camp sucks and there is no gold coins so it worst than the Christmas loot boxes which is way better. 

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11 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

You could have missed getting a CV in the later boxes. There are people reporting 20 box lots and not a CV among them. The reports of box drops are most likely confirmation bias as if you get a lot of CVs you are very likely to post about it. If you get few to no CVs, you are less likely to post about it.

Absolutely,  I completely agree with Confirmation Bias in the posts. 

However.   I bought 60 boxes after the first 20.  None of the 60 boxes had a Ship and I did not receive any Doubloons.  I checked my total Doubloons and the amount did not change.   There is a line in the Advertisement for the Boxes that shows...

"If you already have this ship in your collection, you'll receive a Commander and a Port Slot along with compensation in doubloons equal to the cost of the ship."

I have not read of anyone getting Doubloons if they already have the four Ships.  So I am posting this to see if anyone has received doubloons when they had all four CV's in port.  Also to just let people who may look at the Boxes as a superb deal.   I  I got the Saipan in a 5 box buy.  Then got the other three in a 20 box buy.   So perhaps one CV per 20 box buy would net me $49 of Doubloons.  This would make the remaining $31 for 19 boxes a superb deal. 

Since nobody is reporting Doubloons received it appears that the programming prohibits awarding doubloons. Perhaps the programming does not allow a second CV of the same type to be dropped.   Perhaps it is confirmation bias.

BTW Absolutely love your posts!  

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I will say that I got 10 boxes, didn't have GZ, but had the other three, and I got no ships for once.  I usually have good luck.  Things happen.

I went ahead and bought GZ to complete the collection in my case.

 

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15 minutes ago, alex08060 said:

Pretty simple see how much money you spend to get the 4 CVs in loot boxes vs buying all 4 CVs in the shop. The space camp sucks and there is no gold coins so it worst than the Christmas loot boxes which is way better. 

So you do not have any proof. Just vague assumptions. Come back when you have proof.

 

 

1 minute ago, Toxic_Potato said:

Absolutely,  I completely agree with Confirmation Bias in the posts. 

However.   I bought 60 boxes after the first 20.  None of the 60 boxes had a Ship and I did not receive any Doubloons.  I checked my total Doubloons and the amount did not change.   There is a line in the Advertisement for the Boxes that shows...

"If you already have this ship in your collection, you'll receive a Commander and a Port Slot along with compensation in doubloons equal to the cost of the ship."

I have not read of anyone getting Doubloons if they already have the four Ships.  So I am posting this to see if anyone has received doubloons when they had all four CV's in port.  Also to just let people who may look at the Boxes as a superb deal.   I  I got the Saipan in a 5 box buy.  Then got the other three in a 20 box buy.   So perhaps one CV per 20 box buy would net me $49 of Doubloons.  This would make the remaining $31 for 19 boxes a superb deal. 

Since nobody is reporting Doubloons received it appears that the programming prohibits awarding doubloons. Perhaps the programming does not allow a second CV of the same type to be dropped.   Perhaps it is confirmation bias.

BTW Absolutely love your posts!  

It's an interesting hypothesis, but I wonder how many bought 60 boxes and didn't get any CVs? We have incomplete data and that hampers any definitive conclusions.

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19 hours ago, Toxic_Potato said:

Absolutely,  I completely agree with Confirmation Bias in the posts. 

However.   I bought 60 boxes after the first 20.  None of the 60 boxes had a Ship and I did not receive any Doubloons.  I checked my total Doubloons and the amount did not change.   There is a line in the Advertisement for the Boxes that shows...

"If you already have this ship in your collection, you'll receive a Commander and a Port Slot along with compensation in doubloons equal to the cost of the ship."

I have not read of anyone getting Doubloons if they already have the four Ships.  So I am posting this to see if anyone has received doubloons when they had all four CV's in port.  Also to just let people who may look at the Boxes as a superb deal.   I  I got the Saipan in a 5 box buy.  Then got the other three in a 20 box buy.   So perhaps one CV per 20 box buy would net me $49 of Doubloons.  This would make the remaining $31 for 19 boxes a superb deal. 

Since nobody is reporting Doubloons received it appears that the programming prohibits awarding doubloons. Perhaps the programming does not allow a second CV of the same type to be dropped.   Perhaps it is confirmation bias.

BTW Absolutely love your posts!  

It wouldn't be the first time WG has eliminated any chance of obtaining a duplicate ship once you have them all … 

I also would like to know if anyone has received a duplicate for doubloons after they've received all 4?

 

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2 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

So you do not have any proof. Just vague assumptions. Come back when you have proof.

 

 

It's an interesting hypothesis, but I wonder how many bought 60 boxes and didn't get any CVs? We have incomplete data and that hampers any definitive conclusions.

Considering how easily they dropped for most players, not getting any in 60 crates seems to be something of an outlier....

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33 minutes ago, alex08060 said:

It’s rigged, it’s actually cheaper to just get the ships in the shop instead of gambling with loot boxes. 

Wasn't for me. I only needed the GZ (had all the others) and got it in my 2nd box.

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31 minutes ago, Kizarvexis said:

Got proof that it is rigged?

It's a free2play game using casino mechanics. That's proof enough.

Why would WG set up the drops to not make money?

Of course they set up the crates so that WG wins...that's good business.

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2 minutes ago, awiggin said:

Considering how easily they dropped for most players, not getting any in 60 crates seems to be something of an outlier....

 

1 minute ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

It's a free2play game using casino mechanics. That's proof enough.

Why would WG set up the drops to not make money?

Of course they set up the crates so that WG wins...that's good business.

Unless you're an employee of WG and know exactly how the algorithm is written, it's impossible to prove … 

Kizarvexis acts like an employee of WG … he should be able to get the proof he needs :)

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1 minute ago, Commander_367 said:

 

Unless you're an employee of WG and know exactly how the algorithm is written, it's impossible to prove … 

Kizarvexis acts like an employee of WG … he should be able to get the proof he needs :)

I dont need to prove that at a casino, the house always wins...because we know how that kind of business runs.

You dont go to a casino to make money, you go to have fun.

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Just now, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

I dont need to prove that at a casino, the house always wins...because we know how that kind of business runs.

You dont go to a casino to make money, you go to have fun.

Agreed.  I got 10 boxes because I wanted some flags.  I got some.  I only needed one carrier, and thought I might get that, too, but I didn't.  I'm not going to complain.  It was my risk to take.  Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

 

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4 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

I dont need to prove that at a casino, the house always wins...because we know how that kind of business runs.

You dont go to a casino to make money, you go to have fun.

Except that WG advertises something else … 

It's not supposed to be gambling in that you are guaranteed to get something of equal or greater value than the cost of the crate … 

You are also paying for a chance to win a ship - is that real or not after the first 4?

 

Not getting a single ship in 60 crates strikes me as suspicious, especially if nobody else receives the doubloon compensation advertised 

 

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45 minutes ago, alex08060 said:

It’s rigged, it’s actually cheaper to just get the ships in the shop instead of gambling with loot boxes. 

Maybe, i got all 4 from the $80 bundle of crates. 

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3 minutes ago, Commander_367 said:

Except that WG advertises something else … 

It's not supposed to be gambling in that you are guaranteed to get something of equal or greater value than the cost of the crate … 

You are also paying for a chance to win a ship - is that real or not after the first 4?

 

You believe advertising?! Why?

Virtual goods that have no value outside of the game. It's literally buying monopoly money.

A ship that can be changed and balanced at any time by WG. It's not really mine, I just lease it.

See what I mean?

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28 minutes ago, alex08060 said:

Pretty simple see how much money you spend to get the 4 CVs in loot boxes vs buying all 4 CVs in the shop. The space camp sucks and there is no gold coins so it worst than the Christmas loot boxes which is way better. 

You can't anecdotally determine how much the expected cost it takes to get 4 CV's in loot boxes. You either need WG to report the actual stats of CV's dropping or you need to pull from a large sample set to reverse engineer such stats. Now I'm fully on board with the idea that drop stats should be posted for loot-boxes but that's not going to happen without legislative intervention which is a discussion I don't wish to start here.

3 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

I dont need to prove that at a casino, the house always wins...because we know how that kind of business runs.

You dont go to a casino to make money, you go to have fun.

You're not entirely correct because a casino pays out money as well as taking in money and as such, in order to generate a profit, must take in more than it pays out. Games on the other hand do not pay out money from their gambling mechanics and as such do not need to structure their gambling mechanics in the same way as a casino does. I'm not saying that WG doesn't structure their drop rates such that the expected cost to get all four CV's through buying crates is more than it would cost if you just bought them straight up; only that they don't have to to turn a tidy profit. 

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WG does imply that you can win dupe CVs however if they use the WoWP algorithm or a modified version of the Santa Crate WoWS algorithm then you won't get ships or missions for ships you already own.  The original Santa Crate algorithm will just give you a ship you don't own or the original ship in doubloons  if you own them all.  A modified version will just not give you a ship if you own them all and hit the random button again for some nifty space camo probably.

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4 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

You believe advertising?! Why?

 

If advertising is deceptive or fraudulent … that's ummmm bad :)

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17 minutes ago, Daniel_Allan_Clark said:

It's a free2play game using casino mechanics. That's proof enough.

 

 

We simply don't know the odds - but there are people who received all 4 carriers in a 20 pack.

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