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we have waited long enough.

Today we have various cruisers, battleships and destroyers available for alternative in game currencies, whether free xp, coal or steel. It is about time that CV players had something special to spend their accumulated free xp/coal resources on.Not to boast, quite the opposite, but I have this : image.png.18391c7ffe1f8dc1120c738f3d02b49e.png and this : image.png.5d10145976e86862adff3d3279b0421d.png and nothing I want is available in game. Obviously, with the rework we are limited to even tiers only. I am sure I am not alone, we are legion, drowning in our free xp and alternative currencies. HELP!

a suggestion : 

at tier 8, as an alternative to our famous Saipan, and with a wink and a nod toward our favourite in game map, HMS Ocean, would be a fine addition. HMS Ocean was a light fleet carrier,  reasonably fast (but not excessive), 25 knots for 13 000 tonne (light) displacement. HMS Ocean is especially famous in the annals of history as being the first aircaft carrier to host a jet engined aircraft landing (the Sea Vampire) in 1945 by the equally famous test pilot, Eric Brown. I dare not propose jet fighters for World of Warships however (despite the temptation!) But she was, even though laid down in 1942, only commissioned in 1945, too late to see much action. She went on to serve in the Korean War, the Suez crisis, and in various missions during the Cold War, to be scrapped in 1962.

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HMS Ocean, a Collosus class aircraft carrier, was, by 1952, equipped with Fairey Firefly nightfighters. 

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I am not very good at technical details, but as you can see, this is a typical example of the British design school for ww2 era carrier based fighters. Fugly as only the British knew how. But each Firefly could carry 16 underwing rockets, or 2 1000lb bombs (enough to raise salty commentary from the decks of even t10 battleships). The Firefly was not tremendously fast, (500 kmh 300 mph), in game a moderate unboosted speed of 170 knots would be tolerable. Boosted, 200 - 220 knots? 


But what about a tier 10  coal/free xp aircraft carrier?

HMS Ocean could alternatively be equipped with aircraft appropriate to tier 10, notably the Hawker Sea Fury, the last piston engined fighter to enter service with the Naval Air Service, in time for the Korean War. One major advantage of the Sea Fury, was that the British had finally learned how to make their naval fighters, good looking. They must have gone to fashion school.

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However, at tier 10, while the Saipan concept of a CV with a small, but qualitative, footprint, has merit, the Centaur class Aircraft Carriers might be a better fit.

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no details, for now, as while WG must have plans for the Sea Fury and Centaur class (how could they ignore them @Femennenly ?) I am sure it would be easier to convince them of the need for a t8 ready free xp carrier first.


alternatives to HMS Ocean? I am sure there are plenty. And not just alternatives, WOWS has room and the player demand for free xp and coal/steel Aircraft Carrier  premiums at tiers 6, 8 and 10. BTL one commentator has made the excellent suggestion of USS Saratoga. Feel free to propose your own.

 

edit : accidentally hit publish before I finished the topic, please forgive me as I add details!

 

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I'd love to see Saratoga out in as a FXP with her 8 inchers, but after reading your proposal..I could get behind it too.

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4 minutes ago, Purg473 said:

I'd love to see Saratoga out in as a FXP with her 8 inchers, but after reading your proposal..I could get behind it too.

well we are very much lacking in both free xp and alternative currency (coal/steel) CVs in game. So to my mind, there is plenty of room and need, for more options, such as the excellent Saratoga!

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Just now, LoveBote said:

well we are very much lacking in both free xp and alternative currency (coal/steel) CVs in game. So to my mind, there is plenty of room and need, for more options, such as the excellent Saratoga!

Why pick, when we can ask for both?

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6 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

well we are very much lacking in both free xp and alternative currency (coal/steel) CVs in game. So to my mind, there is plenty of room and need, for more options, such as the excellent Saratoga!

An interesting side note if I recall correctly...on top of setting a speed record from Pearl to San Diego, and her successful mock attack on Pearl in the Fleet Problems...I seem to recall Saratogas skipper being a former cruiser commander...he exercised the gun crews just as hard as they would have been on a CA if I remember right.

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I may well have missed it, but where is the FXP DD? Is there one due to come out?

I agree with you that all ship types should have equal purchase opportunities, but WG obviously does not.

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2 minutes ago, _WaveRider_ said:

I may well have missed it, but where is the FXP DD? Is there one due to come out?

I agree with you that all ship types should have equal purchase opportunities, but WG obviously does not.

you are correct about the absence of a FXP dd, gross negligence by WG! But still, alternative currency premium dds do (have) exist(ed), from Black, to horribly long grindy mission, Cossack. Neustrathingy is in supertesting for release at tier 9, though I don't know what currency/resource will be required to own one.

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I was watching a WG stream a bit ago and asked if they were considering a CV for steel.  They said that they certainly would consider it in the future.

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3 hours ago, LoveBote said:

but I have this : image.png.18391c7ffe1f8dc1120c738f3d02b49e.png and this :

Are you kidding me right now? Please do waste those credits and FXP. You are messin' up the economy for us small fishes.

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2 minutes ago, LowSpeed_US said:

Are you kidding me right now? Please do waste those credits and FXP. You are messin' up the economy for us small fishes.

its not my fault! :Smile_unsure:

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1 hour ago, LoveBote said:

you are correct about the absence of a FXP dd, gross negligence by WG! But still, alternative currency premium dds do (have) exist(ed), from Black, to horribly long grindy mission, Cossack. Neustrathingy is in supertesting for release at tier 9, though I don't know what currency/resource will be required to own one.

No disrespect as I agree with the need for more choice. However, I don't believe there has been a coal DD either and I did grind to win a cossack, but I also did the missions for the tier IV, VI and VIII RN CVs.

 

Again, in total agreement with there being need for more choice. :Smile_honoring:

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It is highly likely that this is already in the works. The Bogue is not going to be in the alternative USCV branch, replaced with Yorktown. It is possible that Bogue is going to be a coal T6 premium in the future. Remember that all of the current premiums are T8, which is a bit high tier for an ideal training ship. From my experience, Tiers 5 and 6 are perfect for training premiums, and Bogue in reworked form would be a natural fit. I am also expecting IJN Shoho, HMS Argus, HMS Eagle, and LR Baern to make premium appearances at 4 and 6.

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Really the Bogue-class could be used as a British lend-lease. 

USS Wasp would be a nice addition some day. 

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5 minutes ago, hard_calibers said:

Really the Bogue-class could be used as a British lend-lease. 

USS Wasp would be a nice addition some day. 

Bogue class wouldn't really fit other than at tier 4, a free xp CV would need to be t8 (other free xp ships start at t7 with Nelson, then jump to tier 9). A coal CV would fit either at tier 8 or tier 10, as for steel, given the range of Ranked battles, t6, 8 and 10 (future Clan Battle fit) would be reasonable expectations.

compared to such as the Collossus and Centaur classes of CV, Bogue class really would not be terribly comfortable in regular play. Even Saipan only works out, because it carries tier 10 planes, while the hull has decent speed and self defence armament.

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3 minutes ago, LoveBote said:

Bogue class wouldn't really fit other than at tier 4, a free xp CV would need to be t8 (other free xp ships start at t7 with Nelson, then jump to tier 9). A coal CV would fit either at tier 8 or tier 10, as for steel, given the range of Ranked battles, t6, 8 and 10 (future Clan Battle fit) would be reasonable expectations.

They do have ships for coal at tier 4, the model is already in the game.   However most low tier premiums are port queens for me, tier 6 would be minimum for a trainer. 

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3 minutes ago, hard_calibers said:

They do have ships for coal at tier 4, the model is already in the game.   However most low tier premiums are port queens for me, tier 6 would be minimum for a trainer. 

Yeah, and with Kaga and Saipan bumped to high tiers, CVs need a mid tier premium; Bogue should be it.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_White_Plains_(CVE-66)

Maybe secondary spec CVE?    :cap_rambo:   :Smile_hiding:

"During the surface phase of the action White Plains's 5-inch gun crew claimed six hits on heavy cruiser Chōkai,[ causing its eight deck-mounted Type 93 "Long Lance" torpedoes to explode. The explosion crippled Chōkai, making it vulnerable to air attack. Chōkai was later sunk by planes from Ommaney Bay (CVE-79), an escort carrier of Taffy 2."

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8 minutes ago, Crokodone said:

Yeah, and with Kaga and Saipan bumped to high tiers, CVs need a mid tier premium; Bogue should be it.

Bogue would be dreadful at t6. Besides which, we already have 2 USN premium CVs in game. A low tier 4 premium Bogue would be fine; sure, and we need more of them, but at the other tiers, as per my OP, not doublon premium, but free xp, coal and steel options. CVs that are diffierent in major ways to existing in game carriers, not clones with a different name, but radically different options.

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The Bogue class (could survive T8 if it used T8 planes, so it could be a T6 FXP CV.

Akagi is already done, could be a T8 using the same setup as Kaga.....although T7 planes do not do well in T10 matches.

Wasp would be another good one.

Bonaventure (or Warrior or Magnificent)  for us Canadians, was a Majestic class (a modified Colossus) and launched in 1945.

A great idea.....and so is a FXP destroyer!

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5 minutes ago, hipcanuck said:

The Bogue class (could survive T8 if it used T8 planes, so it could be a T6 FXP CV.

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Speed: 18 kn 

doubt it could outrun a Jean Bart sailing backwards.

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5 minutes ago, hipcanuck said:

Bonaventure (or Warrior or Magnificent)  for us Canadians, was a Majestic class (a modified Colossus) and launched in 1945.

 

I did hesitate, I almost presented her instead of HMS Ocean, thinking of many of our NA forum users. But personal preference (#notacanadian) & the particular history of HMS Ocean (and her name's relevance to the best WOWS CV map././)..

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3 minutes ago, LoveBote said:
Speed: 18 kn 

doubt it could outrun a Jean Bart sailing backwards.

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That would only become a factor if the CV driver wasnt paying attention to the mini map, besides, its smaller size should give it pretty good concealment.

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5 minutes ago, JToney3449 said:

The USS Hornet with b-25s wouldnt be bad either.  The USN had a ton of good note worthy CVs for WG to chose from.

Hornet with the B25s would fit the "exceptional rather than a clone" rule which is used for many premiums (USN bbs being the exception *cough*). I'd love to see it in game.

3 minutes ago, hipcanuck said:

That would only become a factor if the CV driver wasnt paying attention to the mini map, besides, its smaller size should give it pretty good concealment.

Even paying attention, a Bogue wouldn't be able to keep anyone at a distance. Don't forget, it would be facing tier 10 ships. 25-30 in game knots seems to be the standard for tier8 MM. Even the size of the maps, huge for an 18 knot ship at t8 Matchmaking, would pose an issue.

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