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How is one supposed to realize anything when you don't even give a minimum of context?

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You took less than 19,000 damage from weapons which can directly be identified as associated with aircraft.

There is no way of telling how many of the torpedo hits were from aircraft.

There is no way of telling how much of the fire damage was from HE shells from surface ships.

There is no way of telling how much the fire from surface ships broke your AA modules before the planes attacked.

I have difficulty taking your claim seriously.

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Catering to the CV's See it more and more now. A Tier 10 Republique attacked by Wave after wave and shoots down 6 planes. Upgraded AA to the Max. 6 Planes. Bad Form WOW,,Bad Form.

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Well, people should understand that even the best AA cruisers can get hit by attack aircraft, which is fairly good. No ship should be immune to CV. Still, by overlapping AA suddenly it becomes a nightmare for CV. So you got strategy to counter it, just use it.

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55 minutes ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

The #1 AA Battleship with an AA captain shoots down a total of 5 planes while taking 60k in damage.

How do you not realize something is seriously wrong here?

 

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Sorry, which battleship were you in?

Were you near any other AA ships, where your flak clouds would mingle and thus, the airplane kills might not all go to you?

Were you near islands, such that a CV could approach and not have to face your AA until the last moments of their attack run?

Were you using the AA reinforcement, and were the aircraft attacking from the disadvantageous position?

Did the carrier F immediately after his run, thus exposing his aircraft to less of your AA fire? (compared to hanging around and trying multiple runs)

There are numerous reasons why you might not have gotten loads of kills.  You've also not nearly given enough useful information.

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45 minutes ago, Ensign_Cthulhu said:

You took less than 19,000 damage from weapons which can directly be identified as associated with aircraft.

There is no way of telling how many of the torpedo hits were from aircraft.

There is no way of telling how much of the fire damage was from HE shells from surface ships.

There is no way of telling how much the fire from surface ships broke your AA modules before the planes attacked.

I have difficulty taking your claim seriously.

I will give him 25k with the two torpedo hits for 6600. The Midway didn't pay him much attention and at a guess one pass with TB's, one or at the most two passes with the DB's, and one pass with attack fighters.

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49 minutes ago, Y_Nagato said:

Well, people should understand that even the best AA cruisers can get hit by attack aircraft, which is fairly good. No ship should be immune to CV. Still, by overlapping AA suddenly it becomes a nightmare for CV. So you got strategy to counter it, just use it.

Which promotes the camping meta we are seeing at high tiers...everyone hanging back...DDs going way around edges of maps, no scouting, or the brave...dying trying to cap as CV shoots their nuts off

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42 minutes ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

 

World championship TWA vs Smile. Best AA ships in the game with the best players and they all get dominated by the CVs.

 

 

Of course they're going to get plastered by CVs, notice how the target ship is usually sitting still, or barely moving.

And even then, it's mostly the bugged DBs that are doing all the damage. That first TB attack on the Moskva, he ate 2, (he didn't start moving until the torps were in the water) and watching on my phone, I had to squint to see the damage bar move.....

My takeaway from the video is that the pros largely ignore planes, and "enlightened drop" needs to go sooner rather than later.

Video should be required watching though.....pros don't blob.

 

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Not sure what the thought is here. You go from making a claim with only 1 screenshot that doesn't tell much data to nitpick a Tier 10 comp play stream clip from Flamu. This kind of rethoric is what is hurting the discussion on carriers. 

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3 hours ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

The #1 AA Battleship with an AA captain shoots down a total of 5 planes while taking 60k in damage.

How do you not realize something is seriously wrong here?

 

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Hello CaptainTeddybear,

What battleships were you in? We can all make assumptions but you leave a lot to the imagination with this screenshot. According to the damage received you took 6500 from 2 torpedoes and 16k from 8 bombs (2k average a bomb). You also took 65k or so combined between AP and HE shells. What kind of bombs hit you? Were they AP or HE (would cause fires)?

Regarding your links to competitive play, CVs in competitive play typically target weakened or ships out of position to deal their damage to. 

To your point on bombs in the vods this has been addressed. https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/game-updates/patch-08201/

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3 hours ago, GSXstage1 said:

Catering to the CV's See it more and more now. A Tier 10 Republique attacked by Wave after wave and shoots down 6 planes. Upgraded AA to the Max. 6 Planes. Bad Form WOW,,Bad Form.

Have you forgotten that 8.0 was suppose to incite us to run and buy meta carriers by the dozens and have us a 5x5 carrier fest FPS Arcade free-for-all....  And now, you find fault with the Grand Puba's and direct descendants of the RNG GOD?

Blasphemy I say.....   We reap what was sown.............and a fallow and salted ground produces nothing.....

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A lot of disingenuous responses here. Anybody can test if out for themselves running either an AA specced Montana or Republique. Supposedly 2 of the ultimate AA platforms in the game. You'll do great against a potato but against a unicum you will get wrecked and deal utterly inconsequential damage to the planes.

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So you...burned?  Because thats the only way your damage numbers even begin to add up.  And even then...you just blew your damage control too soon.  Almost never put out just a single fire or flood.  

Sooo...you're okay with cruisers being able to light you on fire over and over and over but if a CV does it couple of times every few minutes its no bueno,  eh?

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4 hours ago, GSXstage1 said:

Catering to the CV's See it more and more now. A Tier 10 Republique attacked by Wave after wave and shoots down 6 planes. Upgraded AA to the Max. 6 Planes. Bad Form WOW,,Bad Form.

another post by someone that has never flown a planes ever.  Try taking planes against Republic AA..  O yea hate CV.  Get educated before making claims!!

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20 minutes ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

A lot of disingenuous responses here. Anybody can test if out for themselves running either an AA specced Montana or Republique. Supposedly 2 of the ultimate AA platforms in the game. You'll do great against a potato but against a unicum you will get wrecked and deal utterly inconsequential damage to the planes.

you will die to any unicum player.  Stop it just stop with the hate!!!!!!!!

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17 minutes ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

A lot of disingenuous responses here.

OP asked repeatedly to provide a replay or at least an answer to what ship they were using.

 

Instead, shows 2 other videos, which solicits rebuttals - then call everybody disagreing with him disingenuous.

 

Yeah, not seeing much arguing  in good faith here from the OP.

 

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I'm guessing from the 6 AP hits for nearly 30k damage, he took citadel hits early in the match (could be from the Yamato) and pulled back. HE shell damage could have come from the Zao and Cleveland, but maybe also other ships not shown.

From the aircraft ordnance hits, I'm guessing he took 1 TB pass, 2 DB passes, and 1 rocket pass. The two TB hits were probably what broke the steering and were definitely the source of the flood, warranting instant damage control.

The biggest thing here is the large amount of fire damage taken. The amount of HE shells is kinda low, but Zao HE has high alpha and fire chance. I'm guessing around 1 or 2 of the 5 fires listed came from shell fire, which he let burn. After repairing from the TB attack, the DB and rocket attacks did little damage on their own but set the remaining fires, resulting in OP burning down.

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32 minutes ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

A lot of disingenuous responses here. Anybody can test if out for themselves running either an AA specced Montana or Republique. Supposedly 2 of the ultimate AA platforms in the game. You'll do great against a potato but against a unicum you will get wrecked and deal utterly inconsequential damage to the planes.

 

1 hour ago, iKami said:

Hello CaptainTeddybear,

What battleships were you in? We can all make assumptions but you leave a lot to the imagination with this screenshot. According to the damage received you took 6500 from 2 torpedoes and 16k from 8 bombs (2k average a bomb). You also took 65k or so combined between AP and HE shells. What kind of bombs hit you? Were they AP or HE (would cause fires)?

Regarding your links to competitive play, CVs in competitive play typically target weakened or ships out of position to deal their damage to. 

To your point on bombs in the vods this has been addressed. https://worldofwarships.com/en/news/game-updates/patch-08201/

Teddy, you are the one who is disingenuous. You make a claim about a screenshot, and do not provide proof for the screenshot. You point to a lot of UNICUM players doing well, but fail to prove your original post, of which Ikami requests.

Many of your posts are either click bait, or you are intentionally attempting to inflame and incite the community against each other. Neither is constructive. Actually many of your posts tend to lack any kind of proof or constructive criticism/input. I am surprised the admins have not warned you.

I for my part will from now on, not read a post you have instigated.

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2 hours ago, CaptainTeddybear said:

Notice how few planes are lost while decimating Minotaurs, Woosters and Henris.

Here is the first 5 hours of carnage.
 

 

did also noticed how 20k salvos were made.  o yea hate cv

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3 hours ago, Maine_ARC_1 said:

Not sure what the thought is here. You go from making a claim with only 1 screenshot that doesn't tell much data to nitpick a Tier 10 comp play stream clip from Flamu. This kind of rethoric is what is hurting the discussion on carriers. 

Pretty much par for the course lately.

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