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I imagine most of the players here that post with some regularity have put at least a small amount of $$ towards the game. I know I have. Certainly more than perhaps many though not remotely as much as some. Personally I haven't had a great deal to do with freemium gaming. The WG titles are the only that I have experienced on the PC platform. Few mobile based here and there that scream P2W and play on the boredom one can experience when overseas when reading becomes tiresome.

Very interested in players financial models when it comes to playing WoWs and how it dictates their gameplay and relevant grinding goals. The phenomenon where players also accumulate more ships, be they premium or otherwise, than they can possibly play effectively does also stagger me a little.

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

@LoveBote threw out this very interesting concept of a 'Stale Whale' wherein the player has purchased all of the content they desire and now hamper spending by scutinising a developers alterations to an investment they have made.

Many other questions though I'll place it out there in the community for feedback first.

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Hmm I have been in that category of more ships than I could possibly play category for a long time. So generally my spending on WG titles as been the following. I keep my self in premium, and I buy premium ships/tanks. I very rarely buy extra gold and I never spend money on anything I can get for free ie converting XP to Free XP.

This year I am buying less ships and will likely buy a big dose of Santa crates. The collector in me is slowing down.

When something really new comes along I will spend. Would likely pick up prem CV's and if they happen would very likely buy prem subs. 

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my financial model :

  1. try to keep up a month's worth of premium account status (easiest and cheapest way to make the game playable without succumbing to credit burn stress at tier +)
  2. try to avoid listening to the the free xp harpies, above all of ships (difficult, they are seductive). This has worked out reasonably well ok so far, Musashi dropped in a supercontainer. Free xp all to often is a bridge toward "pay4xp". (Another, rather tasteful I think, neolgism for you @Sumseaman)
  3. try to not buy every premium ship that drops in the store (I will buy Indomitable, whenever it is released, however)
  4. try to respect a monthly spending cap (local garden centre/ agri supplies, energy bills and restauraunts come first - I hate washing the dishes)
  5. try to remind myself I only ever play one premium ship, out of the dozens I have bought. (which is crazy)
  6. try to remind myself, where most of the money I spend on WOWS is actually going, to Cyprus, a beautiful island in the Mediteranean well known for being a great place to setup dodgy tax avoiding gambling and online casino operations, but also where WG happens to own a bank. (useless but true fact n. 359). Our money does not go to our mostly wonderful (except when we are in trouble with them) NA community staff.

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Feels odd to think that a person would buy all those ships and stop playing, but I can see it happening. I think if I ever reached that point, i'd just be playing only the ships I enjoy and spend the rest of my days doing that. Maybe get into the reviewing business just to throw my 2 cents in and if I ever got bored, i'd just take a break and come back later. The nice thing about WOWS is that you can pick up and play at any time and won't really ever be behind the content. There aren't any massive expansions or grands stories I have to buy or worry about. I'd just be rusty.  

That said I mainly buy things that really interest me. So the goal to catch em' all was never a thing for me. 

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1 minute ago, LoveBote said:

try to avoid listening to the the free xp harpies, above all of ships (difficult, they are seductive).

Sirens! Back to the classics for you! :Smile_teethhappy:

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The game developers did not force players into buying their products. They can marketing very hard and the final decision is always the players initiative, they can market interesting deals, flashy and create "grey area", create temptation, touching on the "wanting" of players desires.

13 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

The phenomenon where players also accumulate more ships, be they premium or otherwise, than they can possibly play effectively does also stagger me a little.

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

1- It personal choice

2- For me, I am a ships hoarder, I like to have as many and as much or EVERY ships that WG can create, however, I also know my budget limit, therefore I just happy with whatever I got. I played on my own time, my own ships/tier/nation toward my own goals.

16 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

@LoveBote threw out this very interesting concept of a 'Stale Whale' wherein the player has purchased all of the content they desire and now hamper spending by scutinising a developers alterations to an investment they have made.

Everyone entitle to their own entitlement, but this is not their game. The game belong to the developers, their department, other people jobs. By thinking you had paid some $$$$$$$, one had to think to themselves how much is investment? Now, everyone entitle to their own entitlement, and their interpretation of investment. But for a big company like WG, an investment is not likely a mere $2000 so to speak. 

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Just now, Sumseaman said:

Sirens! Back to the classics for you! :Smile_teethhappy:

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all three are trouble, hungering for my paypal account.

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17 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

I imagine most of the players here that post with some regularity have put at least a small amount of $$ towards the game. I know I have. Certainly more than perhaps many though not remotely as much as some. Personally I haven't had a great deal to do with freemium gaming. The WG titles are the only that I have experienced on the PC platform. Few mobile based here and there that scream P2W and play on the boredom one can experience when overseas when reading becomes tiresome.

This is the only online game I have spent money on. The rest of my games are PC standalone games as I won't pay monthly for the multiplayer option.

 

17 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

Very interested in players financial models when it comes to playing WoWs and how it dictates their gameplay and relevant grinding goals. The phenomenon where players also accumulate more ships, be they premium or otherwise, than they can possibly play effectively does also stagger me a little.

Yes I have 240 ships and I can not possibly play them all in a single day. But I can play anything I want and if I division up with somebody, I have something to match everyone except at tier 10 (only have DM and Salem currently).

 

17 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

Nah, I don't think I will stop spending or playing. I want to get all the ships that I can. These pixel ships replace the ships I build as a child and you do not have to dust them. Even better, you can fight and sink and the ship is pristine in port again. Once I get all the ships, they all need great Cmdrs.

 

17 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

@LoveBote threw out this very interesting concept of a 'Stale Whale' wherein the player has purchased all of the content they desire and now hamper spending by scutinising a developers alterations to an investment they have made.

Many other questions though I'll place it out there in the community for feedback first.

Nah, I had no problem with the GC being moved to T6, as long as it was balanced. I would not mind seeing Exeter get smoke and move to T6 for battles with Graf Spee and Leanders, but that is just me and a few other people.

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My financial model:
In the first 2 years i put A LOT money on this game, i buy a lot premium ships, i always play with premium acc, god i even buy one perma-cammo.

But today i dont wanna put any more cent on this game. I will not buy a copy-paste ship with a different name, i will not support what i dont like (like this cv rework), i dont see any reason to keep puting money on this game sinse they working for destroy my fun.
Anyway, the only ship i wish buy its the enterprise, the ranked reward its enough for keep my acc running with premium ship when i try play it.

 

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I have probably spent way more than I want or have even known I’ve spent.   How much? I have no idea.  It’s $30 here, $80 there, $140 under there.   Click, click, money leave my account and ends up in some cloud somewhere, ships, doubloons, in game content shows up in my account. I have no idea how much I’ve spent in the last 3 years of wows.  I spent money in tanks previously, but I haven’t played tanks in a while.  I had 9000 gold in tanks, and when they introduced the warship premium, I spent some money to get enough gold in tanks to purchase a year of premium,p that got converted to warship premium when that was introduced.

i haven’t spent as much lately than when I first got into the game.  I have most of the premiums except for the ones that have come out within the past year, but I find that I really only play two premiums regularly...  that fact helped me to avoid spending money on premium ships for the newer ones.

for now, it will just be premium time and economic signals, and just working on The tech tree.  The US is the closest to being done, tier 9 in cruisers and destroyers, tier 8 in battleships, and tier 6 in the carriers.  Everything else is at tier 6 or 7.

 

anyways, I think I’ve reached saturation, so there really is no point on purchasing new ships as I don’t play them,  I should have stopped with Atlanta and Massachusetts and I would have been okay.

 

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2 hours ago, Sumseaman said:

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

Personally, no. I still enjoy the game, which is a priority reason why I would keep spending.

I do not plan to continue spending for other reasons though.

1. Ive played alot games across many genres. MMORPG/mobile monetization methods have been creeping into this game. Lottery Boxes and paid campaigns are the two biggest offenders. I completely understand why devs/pubs move to these models, but Im not a fan of them. 

2. The GC issue, the resolution I am fine with; but I was ok with either decision in general. The concern I have with the result is, we will only see copy/paste meh ships from here on out. WG will be hesitant to release anything possibly deemed OP or too gimmicky. Which means we will see mostly entirely boring ships. Things like the Massachusetts and Alaska, released prior to the GC decision, will be very rare. So instead the common releases will be mostly things like the Azuma. 

For me to transition from a f2p to p2p player in games, usually depends on how much time Ive invested in the game and if my interest continues even after spending hundreds of hours in it. 

edit: also a sidenote. I do not spend money on premium. Not having premium somewhat forces me to improve my gameplay so I dont run into a credit crunch. Also I feel no obligation to have to log in every day; with premium, I could see how that would effect someone to think that way.

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I was 100% free to play for quite a while.  I think my first purchase was Tirpitz when it was released, and it was a chunk of $$...$70 if I recall correctly.  That was really too rich for my tastes, but since I had been enjoying the game for some time I was okay with paying WG some money for a good game.  That was the beginning of it.

Since the start of Open Beta I have spent a fair amount of money, but I would be hesitant to classify myself as a 'whale'.  I have 21 premium ships I have paid for, but probably 1/3 of them were on sale.  I still haven't paid full price for any T8's (except Tirpitz, and maybe Kutuzov just before she was pulled), as I think they are over priced.  I have infrequently bought event containers, and did buy under $100 worth of Santa crates a couple of times, although I really cut back on that last Christmas.  That restraint was probably primarily due to two factors:  1) WG finally offered a year of premium time for a true 50% off again (that's where my money went), and 2) I have 72 premium ships, so the Santa crates really couldn't offer enough for me to gamble.

Now I have a great spread of ships, premium and non-premium, that allow me to have a ship for just about every possible mission task.  I have all tiers, all nations, torpedo boats, fire boats, AA boats, high ROF boats...pretty much everything I may need.

I will say, I held off on buying premium time for a long time.  I failed to launch the first time it was offered for 50% off and regretted it.  I obligated to buy it the next Christmas...but then WG packaged it with a bunch of signals and fluff, which jacked the price up to nearly $80, so I passed again.  Last Christmas (2018) they offered the good 50% off again, and I bought it.  It was the new WoWS premium time, too, and man...that really makes the XP, Free XP, Captain XP, and credit grind much more comfortable!  I would recommend premium time to anyone who regularly plays this game.

Now it takes a unique or somehow interesting premium ship to get me interested in spending money.  Even then, I tend to wait until the holiday sales to buy them.  If WG offers a year of premium time for 50% off, with NO bundled fluff, I will definitely buy that again.

I really don't have much interest in buying at full price the day things are released.  I spend enough on this game based on my priorities.

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1 hour ago, Sumseaman said:

I imagine most of the players here that post with some regularity have put at least a small amount of $$ towards the game. I know I have. Certainly more than perhaps many though not remotely as much as some. Personally I haven't had a great deal to do with freemium gaming. The WG titles are the only that I have experienced on the PC platform. Few mobile based here and there that scream P2W and play on the boredom one can experience when overseas when reading becomes tiresome.

Very interested in players financial models when it comes to playing WoWs and how it dictates their gameplay and relevant grinding goals. The phenomenon where players also accumulate more ships, be they premium or otherwise, than they can possibly play effectively does also stagger me a little.

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

@LoveBote threw out this very interesting concept of a 'Stale Whale' wherein the player has purchased all of the content they desire and now hamper spending by scutinising a developers alterations to an investment they have made.

Many other questions though I'll place it out there in the community for feedback first.

I fall into the boat of having more premiums than I care to play...mostly due to Santa crates.  i.e. Right now I basically have everything I want.  Im not grinding any particular tech tree, im just playing to have fun.  I have no reason to spend a dime on the game as it stands.  As they release new stuff, sure.  I did snag some space skins and got Azuma (which I got for like 55 bucks due to a coupon) and Alaska, I had the Fxp but didnt use it, just in case something I want is offered for Fxp that they dont put in the store at some point.  Starting right now, if there was no new content for like 6 months, i wouldn't spend any money for 6 months.  Not even on premium since I basically have the tech tree ships I want.

 

I mean as far as spending money on games in general, I can't even remember the last time I bought another game or content for another game.  Probably the latest expansion for hearts of Iron 4 which I just pre ordered ages ago (which HOI4 very well might be the last game I actually bought in general).  Outside wargaming I mostly just play strategy games Specifically paradox/Creative Assembly games.  So I will no doubt be buying imperator Rome here coming up and my WoWs play is gonna take a serious dip so even if they did release new stuff, unless it was something temporary I probably wont get it till I just back in the game when the new car smell wears off that game.

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     The first money I spent on the game was to buy a few port slots.  I think I then splurged and bought the Campbell.  I then went full crazy one 

Christmas and bought a year's premium time when it was 1/2 price.  Best money I've ever spent on this game.  Been getting it every Christmas since then.

     I've bought one or two ships - Cossack for $0.99 which is awesome, and the Ishizuchi for a couple bucks (not so good).  The rest of the premiums I've got from just playing, including some great ones like the Massachussets (Flag-O-Rama luck), Irian (free New Years container luck), Arizona (only TYL supercontainer to give me a ship), and the rest of 'em from events etc.

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7 minutes ago, Taco_De_Moist said:

So I will no doubt be buying imperator Rome here coming up and my WoWs play is gonna take a serious dip so even if they did release new stuff, unless it was something temporary I probably wont get it till I just back in the game when the new car smell wears off that game.

Yep that game is gonna be my go to for awhile when it releases. WoWs is gonna take a back seat for probably a month or so at the least. 

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1 minute ago, Octavian_of_Roma said:

Yep that game is gonna be my go to for awhile when it releases. WoWs is gonna take a back seat for probably a month or so at the least. 

Im obsessed with Roman history so its a no brainer.   I have 6 big book shelves in my "man cave" and 3 of them are just books on classical history primarily Rome/Greece.  I have like 3000 hours logged on Rome 2 total war and have contributed mods to it.  I also mod for HOI4...of course my most popular mod was the easiest one which just made Donald Trump the US fascist leader and Bernie Sanders the Communist leader...lol.  My most complex mod, is a mod for the Confederacy in HOI4.  Isn't super popular, but its a solid mod and not intrusive (i.e. unlike other Confederacy mods, it doesn't change the whole damn game, it just adds the the new faction with a custom focus tree, events and even all custom units and tech tree localization) not to be immodest, but I'm surprised it isn't more popular.

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1 minute ago, Taco_De_Moist said:

Im obsessed with Roman history so its a no brainer.   I have 6 big book shelves in my "man cave" and 3 of them are just books on classical history primarily Rome/Greece.  I have like 3000 hours logged on Rome 2 total war and have contributed mods to it.  I also mod for HOI4...of course my most popular mod was the easiest one which just made Donald Trump the US fascist leader and Bernie Sanders the Communist leader...lol.  My most complex mod, is a mod for the Confederacy in HOI4.  Isn't super popular, but its a solid mod and not intrusive (i.e. unlike other Confederacy mods, it doesn't change the whole damn game, it just adds the the new faction with a custom focus tree, events and even all custom units and tech tree localization) not to be immodest, but I'm surprised it isn't more popular.

Did you try Arena Moist?

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1 hour ago, paradat said:

Hmm I have been in that category of more ships than I could possibly play category for a long time. So generally my spending on WG titles as been the following. I keep my self in premium, and I buy premium ships/tanks. I very rarely buy extra gold and I never spend money on anything I can get for free ie converting XP to Free XP.

This year I am buying less ships and will likely buy a big dose of Santa crates. The collector in me is slowing down.

When something really new comes along I will spend. Would likely pick up prem CV's and if they happen would very likely buy prem subs. 

This is the same way I feel only I don't have so many ships that I cant play them all but I have a lot of the ones I like . I follow the same spending habits as you .

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Spent way  way  too much on this game .  with 279 ships and over (5) years of premium time and well over forty (19) point captains it's too late to turn back now . I guess I'm a admitted WOWs junkie that's the first step to rehab ………..The only problem now is how to play them all ? Not  enough time in a day to do that.....

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3 hours ago, Sumseaman said:

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

I purchased the Harekaze because the Kagero was so much fun.

I purchased the Cossack for $11.

WG was kind enough to gift me Aigle, Gallant, Monaghan, and Shinonome 

I have purchased 60-90 days of premium time in 14 and 30 day segments and 5 Christmas boxes. 

My largest expenditures have been permacamos. (3x type 20, 2x type 19, 1x type 16)

Now, I have several ships which are consistent credit earners in non-premium play. WG has been kind enough to gift me some permacamos for ships I have yet to grind. I haven't spent cash for several months.

 

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12 hours ago, Sumseaman said:

Once you have acquired enough do many of you simply stop spending regardless of new content?

I keep a very firm line in the sand drawn between what I need to buy and what I merely want to buy. The latter doesn't get much of a look-in. 

Really it depends very much on what the new content is. If it doesn't fill a niche, I'm not interested. I have a general rule of not paying real-world money for flags or one-shot camos. I might buy a premium container if it contains tokens for permanent content like permacamos or 10-point captains in nations that I need.

The two games I've given money to over the past year are this one and a turn-based thing for PC, tablets, phones etc. called European War 4, which I occasionally favour for its ability to be played in places I can't play WOWS (because I don't need to be online for it). The latter was to unlock recruitment slots for commanders within the game. Like the ships and permacamos in WOWS, these are things that will stay with the game until it ceases to exist.

I currently have enough premium ships that I do not feel the need for any more. Nothing stands out for me, and I prefer to hold my funds back for any new surprises or for renewing my Warships premium time.

In addition, I have been enjoying quite a lot of tech-tree grinds lately, and this is proving quite capable of satisfying my thirst for new stuff.

 

12 hours ago, Octavian_of_Roma said:

edit: also a sidenote. I do not spend money on premium. Not having premium somewhat forces me to improve my gameplay so I dont run into a credit crunch. Also I feel no obligation to have to log in every day; with premium, I could see how that would effect someone to think that way.

I once thought as you did, but with 1 year of Warships premium time at 50% off at Christmas it worked out to something like sixteen Canadian cents a day. I bought that 12K doubloon and 30 premium day package and then spent the doubloons in-game on 360 days of half-price premium. At that price I can live with it if I skip a few days, and it means that if I win any premium time in events or crates it effectively gets added on to the end, instead of maybe coming at a time when I can't make decent use of it (I won a week of premium just before we went on holidays last year, LOL).

However, I certainly agree with you on the credit crunch; with XP accumulating significantly faster than it used to in relation to credits, it's possible to finish too many grinds too close together and be up for buying too many ships. I force myself to make a ship work off its own cost in credits before I sell it, and normally I would keep the commander in that ship until this was done, but the recent re-specs have encouraged me to move the commanders up as soon as the XP grind was done in order to take advantage of free re-training, and then I keep the ship and play it intermittently until it has worked off its costs minus sale price.

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So far I have only purchased premium time (at the 50% discount).

At some point I am going to buy premium ships as trainers, but with the free respecs I haven't had to (something good out of the CV rework).  Looks like that happy time is likely to come to an end.

I am never going to be a collector.  Paying for ships I won't play regularly doesn't appeal to me.

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One of the great things about F2P titles is you can play them at no cost beyond your personal time investment.  Ultimately how and when you spend on a game is really a personal decision and we of course encourage everyone to do so only if they feel the value is there. 

Personally I've worked on about a dozen F2P titles over the years and played even more.  I see some great advice in here about budgeting, setting limitations, etc.. and I encourage you to consider World of Warships like any other hobby.   Enjoy it and spend when you feel the time is right.

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8 minutes ago, Radar_X said:

One of the great things about F2P titles is you can play them at no cost beyond your personal time investment.  Ultimately how and when you spend on a game is really a personal decision and we of course encourage everyone to do so only if they feel the value is there. 

On the one hand, sure. It's nice that I can pick up world of warships or some other f2p titles even after a year+ of being away and just jump in.

On the other hand, premium ships. It's nice to play a game with a sub fee/lack of things like premiums, and thus no direct connection between game balance and finances. (Or in the case of some other unfortunate titles, to see padding out the cash shop take priority over core game development).

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I've spent a fair amount on this game, but now have settled down into a few ships I prefer to play and have no real need to spend more.  

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