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Do you think it would be possible to change the hardpoint where you can mount the national flag on a ship, to add a bit more customization? I think it would be great if we could change where this flag can be mounted, all ships have flag poles on fore, middle and aft positions. Why aren't we using them?

 

This functionality should be an option me thinks. Real ships did not all mount their national flags in the middle of the ship, and on some ships in the game its position looks really odd when considering how close commemorative flags are to it, like on the Kii for e.g. It distracts away from the National flag of the ship which in itself is its most distinguishing feature as a ship of a nation.

 

My idea:

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On the Roma the Italian flag looks crap, hanging off some string:

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Musashi Poles Fore and Aft:

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Look how bunched they are on the Kii, ewwwww:

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WoT PC you can have nation flag decals on your tank, WoT console you can have legit national flags hanging from a flag pole at the back of the turret. 

So WG when will WoWs too will have this feature...? 

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For some nations I would love to have an option to fly commemorative flag instead of national flag, meaning no offense.

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7 minutes ago, Rolkatsuki said:

WoT PC you can have nation flag decals on your tank, WoT console you can have legit national flags hanging from a flag pole at the back of the turret. 

So WG when will WoWs too will have this feature...? 

Decals?  Cool.  Let's have them on ships. 

I want one on the back of smoke ships that says 'Stay Out of My Smoke!'

One on the front of my Japanese destroyers that says, 'Fear This'

On my American BBs I want the anchor replaced by Bovine testicles.

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Typically speaking in majority of navies, the nations flags are mounted above all other flags in a show of acknowledgement of the Nation.

For this reason, we have stayed true to tradition in keeping the Nation's flag mounted above all other mountable flags.

Fem, 

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48 minutes ago, ClassicLib said:

Decals?  Cool.  Let's have them on ships. 

I want one on the back of smoke ships that says 'Stay Out of My Smoke!'

One on the front of my Japanese destroyers that says, 'Fear This'

On my American BBs I want the anchor replaced by Bovine testicles.

Graffiti on tanks is historical amd goes back to ww2; maybe before. 

Graffiti on ships is a totally different story.

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12 minutes ago, Femennenly said:

Typically speaking in majority of navies, the nations flags are mounted above all other flags in a show of acknowledgement of the Nation.

For this reason, we have stayed true to tradition in keeping the Nation's flag mounted above all other mountable flags.

Fem, 

US Navy mount them Fore and Aft:

 

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1 minute ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

US Navy mount them Fore and Aft:

 

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Possibly because it's moored?  Are they flown that way when underway?

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2 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Yamato underway, flag mounted aft:

 

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The question was out of idle curiosity.  I am certainly no authority on Naval Ensign Etiquette.

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3 minutes ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Yamato underway, flag mounted aft:

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In all these provided example, there are no other flags flying on the ship. The issue isn't its location, rather that if the flag is mounted on the bow/stern, then were will the cosmetic flags/signals be located as they are required to be beneath the national flag. 

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3 minutes ago, Femennenly said:

In all these provided example, there are no other flags flying on the ship. The issue isn't its location, rather that if the flag is mounted on the bow/stern, then were will the cosmetic flags/signals be located as they are required to be beneath the national flag.  

Good explanation thanks just wanted to say that the Japanese flag does look pretty cool on the back of the Yamato while underway .

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I support the idea.

I would also like to have the chance to fly the CLAN FLAG.

 

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The ships originally had the flags mounted on the stern on their flag poles.  WG changed that about a year into the game to the center masts. I would prefer the flags on the poles aft if the ship. Only if fornhistorical reasons . But meh it's not a sim so GL with that.

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1 hour ago, Femennenly said:

In all these provided example, there are no other flags flying on the ship. The issue isn't its location, rather that if the flag is mounted on the bow/stern, then were will the cosmetic flags/signals be located as they are required to be beneath the national flag. 

Thats no excuse not to have the functionality, maybe you could impose restrictions where if someone wants to mount a National Flag fore or aft, they wont be allowed to mount commemorative flags aswell. 

Thus you maintain historical accuracy, I mean commemorative flags are not really in keeping with historical tradition anyway. I could mount a valentines day commemorative flag on my ship or maybe a dunkirk flag on an axis ship. It is not  historically accurate or correct but you can do that, so I dont really see a point in not being able to have customization as to where the national flag can be mounted.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

US Navy mount them Fore and Aft:

 

 

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US Navy only flies the jack at the foc's'le and the ensign at the stern when moored. Underway, the ensign is flown at the masthead. Precisely, in other words, as is shown in game.

 

 

1 hour ago, Femennenly said:

In all these provided example, there are no other flags flying on the ship. The issue isn't its location, rather that if the flag is mounted on the bow/stern, then were will the cosmetic flags/signals be located as they are required to be beneath the national flag. 

The issue is the location. Absolute height of the national ensign vs other flags is not an issue in a maritime context, unless they're on the same halyard.

A national ensign at the fantail is still in a superior position to a signal flag closed up to a yardarm, even though the signal flag is physically higher-up in terms of absolute altitude. It's not really an issue for the USN at sea, though, as we fly the national ensign from the masthead when under way. (Other nations may still fly their national ensign from the stern, though. Not saying the USN practice is universal.)

 

 

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HMS Exeter just before she turned to engage Graf Spee, the captain ordered that 5 battle ensign each 24' x 12' (7·32m x 3·66m) be raised from the main topmast, port & starboard yardarms, and the top & lower mizzen.

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US Navy ships when underway always fly the national colors from the mainmast higher than all other signal flags or pennants.    In port, the National Jack is flown from a short mast on the bow while the National Colors were shifted (hauled down from the main mast as it was raised) on to the aft (stern) short mast.      I believe we should continue as is, though it would be more accurate when in port to show the national color on the after/stern short mast but ONLY WHILE IN PORT!

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3 hours ago, Femennenly said:

Typically speaking in majority of navies, the nations flags are mounted above all other flags in a show of acknowledgement of the Nation.

For this reason, we have stayed true to tradition in keeping the Nation's flag mounted above all other mountable flags.

Fem, 

Really?

USS Arizona in game

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USS Alabama in game

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USS Missouri in game

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3 hours ago, Crokodone said:

Graffiti on tanks is historical amd goes back to ww2; maybe before. 

Graffiti on ships is a totally different story.

You're taking me way too seriously.

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The flag location indicates to other ships weather the ship is underway  (moving) or not. This generally applies to all ships. Though most hobby sailors do not bother. 

When anchored, the ensign is flown at the stern and a jack at the bow. As soon as the anchor breaks free from the bottom the jack and transom ensign are taken down and the ensign is raised to it's underway location. 

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@LT_Rusty_SWO and @dbw86 are quite correct, per modern USN regulation.  I can't speak to historic regulations or even those of any other maritime fighting force, though.  While there are some inaccuracies in the in-game locations, especially considering moored/in port locations, I'm more than satisfied that for simplicity's sake they're (mostly) in their underway steaming configurations (more or less) correctly.

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[edit] Adding @GrayPanther2018 to the attaboy list since I was ninja'd. [/edit]

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I am all for having the ability to substitute the national flag with an alternate national flag like in WOT with the national markings. I would even be willing to pay a few doubloons for the flag as in WOT. Another revenue stream for WOWS, how can they say no. 

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33 minutes ago, Ramsalot said:

Really?

USS Arizona in game

 

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USS Alabama in game

 

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USS Missouri in game

 

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Those are all displaying the national ensign in the correct location. There is no issue with how any other flag is displayed in those pictures.

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5 hours ago, ___V_E_N_O_M___ said:

Yamato underway, flag mounted aft:

 

Yamato_during_Trial_Service.jpg

@dbw86 Well the Japanese flew their main flag on the back of the ship and this ship is not moored but undergoing sea trials.

Thus the functionality should be available, to change the flags position on a ship.

Not every navy does it like the US Navy, they are an exception.

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