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Just a simple thought on this entire rework.

Why not players opt out of CV play? It will answer once and for all how popular they are, and perhaps allow WG to make an informed decision.....:Smile_glasses:

LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!:Smile_teethhappy:

 

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Not sure why I am going full Peter Gabriel right now.... but I am.

 

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This is a great suggestion - lets WG save at least some face and lets those of us who find the changes completely 'no fun' a way out without just bailing on WG completely.

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Because WG wants CV's in, and will only remove them when WoWs revenue drops precipitously and when surveys are sent out, CV's are the reason cited. Nothing really changes as long as crack addicts whales continue to subsidize this game, no matter the mistreatments it dishes out.

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1 minute ago, Sweetsie said:

In games without frontiers-war without tears
Games without frontiers-war without tears
 

Not sure why I am going full Peter Gabriel right now.... but I am.

 

Don't care, I like it!  Best post this morning although I do like the OP's suggestion, even if it will never happen.

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11 minutes ago, awiggin said:

Why not players opt out of CV play? It will answer once and for all how popular they are, and perhaps allow WG to make an informed decision.....:Smile_glasses:

Because it's a dumb idea. Give players a choice to opt out of DD matches. Give players a choice to opt out of CA/CL matches. Give players a choice to opt out of BB matches. Each respective class will avoid its counter. I play CA/CL's mostly and have at no point had a problem with the CV rework. Take a guess why? Because I'm not their meat. But if WGing gave me the option to opt out of matches that had a BB? Yeah I'd do it. Why? Because it isn't CV's or DD's that are killing me.

The best version of this game is one without tiers, or *inter*class play; as in only CV's fight CV's, DD's vs. DD's ect. An oft overlooked feature is that *intra*class balance is actually very good. No one nations' BB's stand out far above others. No one's nation's DD's stand out above the others *against* each other. No one's CA/CL's stands above others. Almost all the major issues and complaints comes from INTERclass balance, not intra, and that's telling. There is a version of this game that can work, but it would be very different from what we have.

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1 minute ago, theLaalaa said:

Because WG wants CV's in, and will only remove them when WoWs revenue drops precipitously and when surveys are sent out, CV's are the reason cited. Nothing really changes as long as crack addicts whales continue to subsidize this game, no matter the mistreatments it dishes out.

Closed my wallet a month ago, bets thing I can do for now.

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9 minutes ago, awiggin said:

Just a simple thought on this entire rework.

Why not players opt out of CV play? It will answer once and for all how popular they are, and perhaps allow WG to make an informed decision.....:Smile_glasses:

LET THE FLAMES BEGIN!:Smile_teethhappy:

 

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2 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

Because it's a dumb idea. Give players a choice to opt out of DD matches. Give players a choice to opt out of CA/CL matches. Give players a choice to opt out of BB matches. Each respective class will avoid its counter.

Problem is, both BBs, DDs, and most CAs will opt out from CV games, just shows how fighting planes will never be fun.

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1 minute ago, _RC1138 said:

Because it's a dumb idea. Give players a choice to opt out of DD matches. Give players a choice to opt out of CA/CL matches. Give players a choice to opt out of BB matches. Each respective class will avoid its counter.


No other class of ship has been as influential to a match then the CV, this argument, even though it sounds good, fits as well as CV's in the game.

CV's don't fit a gun vs gun game, they need there own game mode.

 

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1 minute ago, _RC1138 said:

Because it's a dumb idea. Give players a choice to opt out of DD matches. Give players a choice to opt out of CA/CL matches. Give players a choice to opt out of BB matches. Each respective class will avoid its counter.

This, in a nutshell.  If you are going to give players an option, why stop there?  How about the BB players who don't want to deal with DDs?  Or the Cruiser players tired of being insta-deleted by BBs?  Or the CVs tired of facing ships with incredible AA defenses?

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4 minutes ago, Turbotush said:


No other class of ship has been as influential to a match then the CV, this argument, even though it sounds good, fits as well as CV's in the game. 

CV's don't fit a gun vs gun game, they need there own game mode.

 

A late game DD is far more dangerous than a CV. And DD's whose primary weapons are torps do not fit in a gun vs. gun game and they need their own mode, and in the ULTIMATE irony, WGing is LITERALLY giving Torps their own mode *right* now as we speak, for testing/funs-y's. If I'm in a CL with DP guns like Mino, it isn't CV's that feel influential to me, it's a BB and if I could opt out of matches with them you bet I would.

That said, I frankly agree, but for totally different reasons, that each class should have a separate mode, with tiers removed (and a few new features to allow for balancing older ships) that would streamline the queue into 7 seperate queues (2 each for BB's, DD's, and CA/CL's, and 1 for CV's) instead of 15 queues which is what randoms have now (given potential matchups based on tier there are in effect 15 different queues).

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2 minutes ago, _RC1138 said:

Give players a choice to opt out of DD matches. Give players a choice to opt out of CA/CL matches. Give players a choice to opt out of BB matches. Each respective class will avoid its counter.

I agree with this ……….The counter is going to be because CVs are the only ships with planes . Me personally I don't mind the CVs they can be annoying but so can a well played DD that torps with out ever being spotted . There's always something people wont like about the game 

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5 minutes ago, HayabusaZ said:

This, in a nutshell.  If you are going to give players an option, why stop there?  How about the BB players who don't want to deal with DDs?  Or the Cruiser players tired of being insta-deleted by BBs?  Or the CVs tired of facing ships with incredible AA defenses?

Nobody is suggesting that - its just CVs.

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11 minutes ago, HayabusaZ said:

If you are going to give players an option, why stop there?  How about the BB players who don't want to deal with DDs?  Or the Cruiser players tired of being insta-deleted by BBs?  Or the CVs tired of facing ships with incredible AA defenses?

You stop "there" because this game is a naval gunnery game. Moreover, you stop there because this game follows the accepted pattern of surface warfare: DD ⇨ BB ⇨ CA ⇨ DD. The CV historically, BOTH in game and reality, has thoroughly disrupted this old, established triangle of counter. The OP point is valid, your extension of that point is not.

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Ok,

Just now, Fizz_war said:

Nobody is suggesting that - its just CVs.

You realize you are opening a door that would be hard to close.  You just want CV players to go away, but the others will want someone else eliminated.

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As soon as you have one opt out button, requests for more will follow.

 

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11 minutes ago, Turbotush said:

Closed my wallet a month ago, bets thing I can do for now.

I never opened it and ya know what?  It doesn't make a difference and never will.  There's always going to be enough players who will spend money on this game regardless just for the pure collection of Prem ships and the like.  I always laugh at the 'closed wallet' posts.  Like it's really going to make a difference and like WG really cares.

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2 minutes ago, theLaalaa said:

You stop "there" because this game is a naval gunnery game. Moreover, you stop there because this game follows the accepted pattern of surface warfare: DD ⇨ BB ⇨ CA ⇨ DD. The CV historically, BOTH in game and reality, has thoroughly disrupted this old, established triangle of counter. The OP point is valid, your extension of that point is not.

I understand that, it wouldn't hurt my feelings if they weren't there anymore either, as I'm not a CV player.  I'm just saying once you start down this path, it will grow. 

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2 minutes ago, HayabusaZ said:

Ok,

You realize you are opening a door that would be hard to close.  You just want CV players to go away, but the others will want someone else eliminated.

No, I seriously doubt it would do that.  And yes, I DO want the CVs to 'go away' as you put it - or at least back out the 're-work'.  Its just plain not fun any more if they are in a match.

I suspect the bulk of the player base agrees with me on that.  The survey that just went out should help with clarifying that point.  Will be interesting to see the result.

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2 minutes ago, RipNuN2 said:

What an original topic . . .

 

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Oh, but the topic will be back tomorrow, and the next day, and so on.

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9 minutes ago, Fizz_war said:

Nobody is suggesting that - its just CVs.

I'm suggesting it. I'd rather play matches with no BB"s so I can hunt DD's in peace.

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9 minutes ago, RipNuN2 said:

What an original topic . . .

The constant return to the topic shows an ongoing sentiment cared about enough to reintroduce it into the conversation concerning this game.

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