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I keep waiting to hear that Wargaming is at least considering Italian tech tree lines, but instead of Italian BBs we are getting Russian BBs??? I mean if we are going to have 3 tech tree lines of French ships and 3 tech tree lines of Royal Navy ships you would think that their Mediterranean competition the Italian Navy would have tech tree lines as well...  Roma is such a beautiful looking ship that every time I see somebody with one of those it has made me wonder about when the rest of the ships will arrive? Yes we have the Giulio Caesar and some premium CAs, but Italians had more than just those premium ships. After all they were attempting to compete with France and Great Britain for control of the Mediterranean during naval arms race, so they certainly had more than what’s currently in game.

The arrival of Russian BBs makes it seem as through Wargaming has almost run out of surface ships to add into the game, when they are still far from it. With Italian tech trees, IJN ships, Battle Cruiser lines, French DD line, South American navies, Canadian Navy, various European navies that are not yet in game.

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4 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

I keep waiting to hear that Wargaming is at least considering Italian tech tree lines, but instead of Italian BBs we are getting Russian BBs??? I mean if we are going to have 3 tech tree lines of French ships and 3 tech tree lines of Royal Navy ships you would think that their Mediterranean competition the Italian Navy would have tech tree lines as well...  Roma is such a beautiful looking ship that every time I see somebody with one of those it has made me wonder about when the rest of the ships will arrive? Yes we have the Giulio Caesar and some premium CAs, but Italians had more than just those premium ships. After all they were attempting to compete with France and Great Britain for control of the Mediterranean during naval arms race, so they certainly had more than what’s currently in game.

The arrival of Russian BBs makes it seem as through Wargaming has almost run out of surface ships to add into the game, when they are still far from it. With Italian tech trees, IJN ships, Battle Cruiser lines, French DD line, South American navies, Canadian Navy, various European navies that are not yet in game.

Per rumors, it appears that Italian Cruisers will show up near the end of the year.

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Just now, Kizarvexis said:

Per rumors, it appears that Italian Cruisers will show up near the end of the year.

That’s when subs are supposed to arrive or possibly a little for before the end of the year by being in the Fall. Which I agree that German Uboats are best way to start off the submarine tech tree lines. All I have to say is Italian BBs has better be early in 2020...

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Last word I heard on BB's for them is a case of hold ups getting information on other ships. Partially because apparently if there is no "V" in your ships hull designation these things actually matter.

But yeah, between real and designed, maybe a fake or two based on things, you could add back in the odd tiers of CV's and have enough for a second 5-10 USN and IJN tree branching off the tier 4, a second 4-10 UK line, a German line, and UK, USN, and possibly IJN all having even's only CVE/L lines on top of that and that is just the ships I have the information for. Evens only I could make 5-6 lines of CV's which is seriously unnecessary. Let alone when you get into missing lines of other 3 classes for single nations, and Pan-America and Pan-Europe, and likely Commonwealth. But easier to create a line that has minimal needed sources as most of them were paper. 

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8 minutes ago, Admiral_Thrawn_1 said:

That’s when subs are supposed to arrive or possibly a little for before the end of the year by being in the Fall. Which I agree that German Uboats are best way to start off the submarine tech tree lines. All I have to say is Italian BBs has better be early in 2020...

Where exactly did you come across that info? Last I heard subs weren't considered to join the game for quite some time.

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Just now, warheart1992 said:

Where exactly did you come across that info? Last I heard subs weren't considered anymore for quite some time.

One of the video's/Q&A's they said that if everything went well and the community seemed good with things they might aim to get them done end of this year, early next year.

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1 minute ago, warheart1992 said:

Where exactly did you come across that info? Last I heard subs weren't considered to join the game for quite some time.

Dev team interview, source has been reliable in the past, so see no reason to doubt it now.

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12 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

One of the video's/Q&A's they said that if everything went well and the community seemed good with things they might aim to get them done end of this year, early next year.

Well I'm not good with subs being in the game.  So there.

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12 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

One of the video's/Q&A's they said that if everything went well and the community seemed good with things they might aim to get them done end of this year, early next year.

Huh?  

Last I heard they said they were going to wait for the CV rework to be done before they would start evaluating the feedback and even consider adding subs....let alone that they'd been confirmed and were slated for a release this year.  

 

Unless there has been new updates since the Anaheim conference, the Devs have been very clear that they are not going to add subs unless they're happy with player feedback, and people have been ignoring this from the very start. 

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2 minutes ago, yashma said:

Huh?  

Last I heard they said they were going to wait for the CV rework to be done before they would start evaluating the feedback and even consider adding subs....let alone that they'd been confirmed and were slated for a release this year.  

 

Unless there has been new updates since the Anaheim conference, the Devs have been very clear that they are not going to add subs unless they're happy with player feedback, and people have been ignoring this from the very start. 

Well info has been getting a little too detailed for them not to be adding them. I have run aground when only relatively close to an island in what must have been underwater terrain. The fact we are hearing it will be German Uboats and word is November at the moment.

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31 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

Last word I heard on BB's for them is a case of hold ups getting information on other ships. Partially because apparently if there is no "V" in your ships hull designation these things actually matter.

But yeah, between real and designed, maybe a fake or two based on things, you could add back in the odd tiers of CV's and have enough for a second 5-10 USN and IJN tree branching off the tier 4, a second 4-10 UK line, a German line, and UK, USN, and possibly IJN all having even's only CVE/L lines on top of that and that is just the ships I have the information for. Evens only I could make 5-6 lines of CV's which is seriously unnecessary. Let alone when you get into missing lines of other 3 classes for single nations, and Pan-America and Pan-Europe, and likely Commonwealth. But easier to create a line that has minimal needed sources as most of them were paper. 

Can someone translate this to English? V in a ship hull?

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We'll likely get one this year. It's just a matter of which comes first; the French DD line or the Italian Cruiser line. The last I recall was that they were originally a Winter 2018 release, before WG decided to focus on rushing out the CV overhaul. If VMF BBs manage to go live before August, and I feel they likely will unless WG scraps the limited DCP gimmick and retests the entire line with different stats, I can see one of the other two lines (MN DDs or RM Cruisers) being teased at/around Gamescom. It's obvious RN CVs themselves are going to be released pretty soon (they only need the T10), so that's two lines for the first-half of 2019 pretty much taken care of.

I'd personally assume it'd be RM Cruisers for Gamescom, since by now WG should have hopefully hammered out a reasonable T9 and T10 concept and just focus on working out a gimmick/flavor set and hopefully NOT overtiering the ships like they did the Dukes. Also, it's higher in demand than the MN DD line, since the MN DD line is likely to be straightforward; 50+ kt speed demons who gunboat skills are only slightly worse than Khab but are borderline hard to hit if one doesn't have enough screen estate to lead past the 20th tick.

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17 minutes ago, yashma said:

Huh?  

Last I heard they said they were going to wait for the CV rework to be done before they would start evaluating the feedback and even consider adding subs....let alone that they'd been confirmed and were slated for a release this year.  

 

Unless there has been new updates since the Anaheim conference, the Devs have been very clear that they are not going to add subs unless they're happy with player feedback, and people have been ignoring this from the very start. 

Said they would only do the rework if the community seemed fine - wouldn't call 38% after throwing away 16% of the results fine. Said subs would never happen - look where we are. Never would have direct control of our planes - look where we are. Short version - I'd be here all night listing every time Wargaming said something and did the opposite the next week or down the road.

13 minutes ago, Sparviero said:

Can someone translate this to English? V in a ship hull?

Hull Designations - So when you see players saying "DD, CA/L, CC/CB, BB, or CV"

DD - Destroyer (ship) as opposed to DE being Destroyer (Escort)

CL - Cruiser, light

CA - Cruiser, Heavy (post 1931) or armoured (pre 1931)

CC - Cruiser, Battle (pre 1961) or command (post I believe)

CB - Cruiser, Large

CV - Cruiser, Voler (French - "To Fly") - yes that's right carriers in this game are technically considered a type of cruiser

And of course BB - for Battleship which is any heavy gun armed vessel.

My statement was essentially that if you are playing something that isn't a carrier - history and details still mean something where as CV's they've been tossed to the wind for now.

 

For any that want to look just cause - all the USN hull classifications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull_classification_symbol#Warships

 

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We have a tier 6 BB coming soon that you might have already tried in test mode.

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23 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

CV - Cruiser, Voler (French - "To Fly") - yes that's right carriers in this game are technically considered a type of cruiser

I always thought it was Cruiser aViation because CA was already taken.

At any rate, YES we do indeed need the Italians represented. The Regia Marina was one of the major naval powers of the war, if Britain hadn't been able to keep them bottled up in the Mediterranean for the whole war they undoubtledly would have caused all kinds of havoc, moreso than they already did confounding supply lines to North Africa. They've got plenty of solid, built-in-steel ships and could prove to have a very interesting playstyle. Personally I don't care if it's cruisers, battleships, or even destroyers that come first; but Italy NEEDS to be in the game.

The fact that they still don't have a line mystifies me. I'm not objecting to any of the lines that have been added so far, but we got Duca d'Aosta before the Italians even had a premium in WoT. It's now years later and we still have yet to get more than premiums, but Italian tanks are a full line. Italian TANKS! The biggest thing in that line that actually saw combat is a tier 4 for Rommel's sake!

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12 minutes ago, Landsraad said:

Italian tanks are a full line. Italian TANKS!

Huh, so that finally happened (haven't played tanks in a couple years or more). And yeah, Italian line is like a 3rd CV line (we should have had one years ago).

 

Also, how do you have a link in your signature? Any time I try and add one (now that I removed my old ones) it keeps saying things like "Too many links".

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3 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

Huh, so that finally happened (haven't played tanks in a couple years or more). And yeah, Italian line is like a 3rd CV line (we should have had one years ago).

 

Also, how do you have a link in your signature? Any time I try and add one (now that I removed my old ones) it keeps saying things like "Too many links".

Yeah they did and apparently the T10 is a pretty nasty autoloader.

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52 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

CV - Cruiser, Voler (French - "To Fly") - yes that's right carriers in this game are technically considered a type of cruiser

No. Carriers in this game are considered a type of carrier. The CV designation predates this game by about 100 years. The origin of the CV designation lies in the fact that early carriers performed duties similar to the more conventional cruisers of the time, i.e. scouting, screening, and the like. It wasn't until the advent of what might be considered the earliest "modern" carrier aircraft (all-metal skins, single wings, relatively powerful engines) in the early 1930s, and the consequent increase in strike potential thereof, that the CV's ability to seriously threaten other surface combatants starts to become apparent. 

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13 minutes ago, Krupp_Sabot said:

Yeah they did and apparently the T10 is a pretty nasty autoloader.

That's "Auto-Reloader", aka: An autoloader that lets you load individual rounds without reloading the whole drum. Aka: How autoloaders should have worked from the beginning.

16 minutes ago, WanderingGhost said:

Also, how do you have a link in your signature? Any time I try and add one (now that I removed my old ones) it keeps saying things like "Too many links".

I don't remember doing anything special. I just wrote the text as I wanted it, highlighted it, clicked the "link" button in the toolbar, and added the URL there. It's broken a couple of times as I update it, but I never see anything about "too many links". Maybe try saving a copy of your signature and then deleting it and starting from scratch, it may be that there are some wordless phantom links in there or something.

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