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After update 0.8.0, CVs got a period of glory. Lower tiers were a different story, but Hakuryu and Midway were absolutely amazing. Some called them overpowered, but it did require some skill. Aiming properly, baiting DCP to set up perma floods, not suiciding your planes, the list goes on. But WG was so worried about what the top 1% of CV players like Gaishu could do that they screwed over the average players. This so called "hotfix" that is 0.8.1 just broke them, especially Hakuryu. Now ships have more power and groups of ships are basically invulnerable. A T8 CV with stock planes in a tier 10 battle is the most torturous thing in the whole game. The 4 drop version of the J5N Tenrai on Hakuryu has been ruined, you have to start attack runs from 8km away and they fly at flak level and get shredded quickly. The torpedoes are slow and don't reliably set up perma floods.

And then they nerfed Midway. Hakuryu and the lower tier CVs need to be buffed and made great again. The global changes they have made to flooding and the F key and AA have hindered CVs enough, at least keep them at the full power they were before. Only the expert CV players get impressive numbers in them (250k+) consistently anymore. It is truly sad, and I am glad that many people are finally speaking up about it.

Anyone who can make suggestions and feedback to WG, please do. We need to stop this pointless nerfing and restore CVs to their power. 0.8.0 Hakuryu is still the funnest ship I have ever played. Whiny players and their DDs and complaints about weak AA and unlimited planes when they never even played CVs really irritate me. 

Hopefully WG will get the message. So, let's try our best to make CVs great again!

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Every time we try and make suggestions we are drowned out by the DD mafia who parade out the same useless stats and anecdotal screenshots of some unicum player.

 

I parked mine and they aren't coming out until the game play is back to something useful. I don't play the game to just grind, I enjoy it and right now CVs are so boring, underpowered and useless but people are still posting they need nerfs.  When that crap has stopped I will pull them out. Not going to spend time playing a ship class that is so bad no one plays it and yet a different class still cries about it.

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I think that all the CV mains should boycott to show everyone in the community what the game would be like without them :fish_cute_2:

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20 minutes ago, WizardFerret said:

After update 0.8.0, CVs got a period of glory. Lower tiers were a different story, but Hakuryu and Midway were absolutely amazing. Some called them overpowered, but it did require some skill. Aiming properly, baiting DCP to set up perma floods, not suiciding your planes, the list goes on. But WG was so worried about what the top 1% of CV players like Gaishu could do that they screwed over the average players. This so called "hotfix" that is 0.8.1 just broke them, especially Hakuryu. Now ships have more power and groups of ships are basically invulnerable. A T8 CV with stock planes in a tier 10 battle is the most torturous thing in the whole game. The 4 drop version of the J5N Tenrai on Hakuryu has been ruined, you have to start attack runs from 8km away and they fly at flak level and get shredded quickly. The torpedoes are slow and don't reliably set up perma floods.

And then they nerfed Midway. Hakuryu and the lower tier CVs need to be buffed and made great again. The global changes they have made to flooding and the F key and AA have hindered CVs enough, at least keep them at the full power they were before. Only the expert CV players get impressive numbers in them (250k+) consistently anymore. It is truly sad, and I am glad that many people are finally speaking up about it.

Anyone who can make suggestions and feedback to WG, please do. We need to stop this pointless nerfing and restore CVs to their power. 0.8.0 Hakuryu is still the funnest ship I have ever played. Whiny players and their DDs and complaints about weak AA and unlimited planes when they never even played CVs really irritate me. 

Hopefully WG will get the message. So, let's try our best to make CVs great again!

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AA is indeed too strong currently, and CVs below tier 10 are having a miserable time in general. 

That being said, CVs in base 0.8.0 were indeed way too strong as most of the AA was concentrated on flak damage, plus anyone could instantly get out of a bad situation by hitting F.

It's that now the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.

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17 minutes ago, Caine said:

Every time we try and make suggestions we are drowned out by the DD mafia who parade out the same useless stats and anecdotal screenshots of some unicum player.

The devs don't read the forums and don't care about what DD players say or about game playability (or else there'd be no CVs at all). They looked at CV damage in after the 0.8.0 and then realized that CV players were focusing DDs and not getting enough cancer damage overall. So they made it harder to hit DDs to force CVs to farm other ships for more damage.

CVs are just cancer damage mechanics like artillery in WOT, there to speed up the match by inflicting extra, unnecessary damage. If they aren't making their damage quota and matches are going too slow, the devs will address that...

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Its funny

If dont have cvs some bbs complain about theres nothing to spot dds and the dds become happy

If the cvs are too strong the bbs complain because they become a targer again

But if the cvs are too weak its not worth play with~

 

They nerf cvs to become useless, "make more people play with" haha that was a great joke from wg... this rework was a big lie.

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11 minutes ago, Yep_Its_Jake said:

I think that all the CV mains should boycott to show everyone in the community what the game would be like without them :fish_cute_2:

Please do.

 

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To many are attempting to use the CV with still no clue with what they're doing at higher tiers, and then complain about how useless the CV is, when in fact the skill gap has been widened even further, and those who are good/great at using a CV, know what targets they should go for, spot what needs spotting, and wait for those ships to split up a bit, are the ones who are doing the most for their teams, the other CV players just yolo their planes into an AA ball, never spot a thing, then come here and complain how useless a CV is.

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24 minutes ago, Pappy_0311 said:

A T8 CV with stock planes in a tier 10 battle is the most torturous thing in the whole game.

Any ship (especially T8) that is stock that gets uptiered is torturous...CVs aren't exceptional there.

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23 minutes ago, IfYouSeeKhaos said:

Any ship (especially T8) that is stock that gets uptiered is torturous...CVs aren't exceptional there.

Really do your shells get shot down mid-flight, do your torpedoes detonate without hitting a Target. being a tier 8 stock in a tier 10 does suck for everyone but you can still at least contribute.

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CV play sucks right now, the nerfs were way too hard.  The midway needs some love.

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1 minute ago, Pappy_0311 said:

Really do your shells get shot down mid-flight, do your torpedoes detonate without hitting a Target. being a tier 8 stock in a tier 10 does suck for everyone but you can still at least contribute.

No...but you still need to work a lot harder to find good positions to contribute w/shorter gun ranges/lower HP/pitiful rudder shift/slow speed/etc. to be able to contribute or you will be sent back to port rather quick w/just as little contribution as when you just rush out w/your stock planes at the start of the match & expect all the reds to just succumb to them. Grinding out mods is tough work in any type of ship...CVs aren't exceptional in that regard.

That bold face is the equivalent of holding back your squadrons & waiting until later in the game for weakened/separated from the pack targets...the only difference between yoloing out in a stock ship & yoloing your stock planes is you still have your ship (albiet useless for most of the rest of the match) still in the game & other ships get to start another battle right away after there lack of contribution.

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Don't attack AA ships.  Don't be that CV guy.
I was watching a Flambass video the other day and the idiot CV player kept coming back for him, even tho he had a pretty good BB AA-wise AND he was escorted by the best AA cruiser at the tier.  Of course he wiped and wiped and wiped like a moron.
Don't be that guy.  Attack something else than a good AA cruiser or please have the decency not to come crying about it okay?

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1 hour ago, Yep_Its_Jake said:

I think that all the CV mains should boycott to show everyone in the community what the game would be like without them :fish_cute_2:

Lol

yes please!

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2 hours ago, WizardFerret said:

After update 0.8.0, CVs got a period of glory. Lower tiers were a different story, but Hakuryu and Midway were absolutely amazing. Some called them overpowered, but it did require some skill.

T10 CV's required no skill whatsoever.

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The big AA change was shifting the damage from flak to constant DPS...well, clearly it needs to back a little more in the other direction.   

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3 minutes ago, Zenn3k said:

The big AA change was shifting the damage from flak to constant DPS...well, clearly it needs to back a little more in the other direction.   

True.

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1. Oh really CVs are not fun to play against? Too bad that they can't just roll over and die because you are there. Think of every BB being devastriked by DD torps or every cruiser being deleted by a BB, I think that would classify as "not fun to play against".

2. Tier 10 CVs required no skill: No, being a bad player would still get you bad results. It was only either through training or figuring out and abusing the mechanics that got them to such highness. F key thing needed to go, but they really came down too hard on them. CVs should be fun and not some extreme mind game like they are trying to make them be.

3. Right now the majority of ships could be considered "AA ships". Any group of more than 1 cruiser or BB is gonna shred planes. I liked the AA mechanics before that focused on dodging flak to avoid more damage but now continuous AA damage is pretty much unavoidable. 

4. And if any of you seriously think they need more nerfs then you are delusional, right now only the best get consistent over 200k games. Try playing a Shokaku in a tier 10 match. So overpowered am  I right? A single Kurfurst battleship deletes your squad in under 10 seconds, planes are OP please nerf.

 

And thank you to everyone who agrees. We must prevail. Also another way to send suggestions to WG without encountering other players slamming you is through a ticket. They do accept feedback with tickets at player support.

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The stats says CV is the right place so no buffs needed. 

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1 hour ago, Desertfox51 said:

CVs need to be nerfed more, they are still unfun to play against. 

You misspelled destroyers.

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i just want my graf zeppelin. i already got midway.

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