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Daring and Z52 need a buff . Idea's ???

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So the Daring smoke is a very big handicap it's active time is 10'stays up for 40's (mean's your smoke will get you killed) and the dd is very slow ... So you have to stay moving in a boat that most ships in game and run you down . The gun's are good but you can't dodge incoming ... Cause it's speed sucks .                                                                                Z52 feels like it should be great tell you fight other ships ....has 2x4 torps with crap range 10.5 And are hard to land . If they had 15k range we could add speed torp acc that could make this DD shine . AP is good broadside , but suck bad as soon as they turn just a bit . So you change to HE and  ... sorry your dead cause z52 can't take dam . I've had a Benson destroy me gun per gun ... So both those DD need some buffs I'd like to hear you guy's idea's on how we could make them fun to play ...And win .

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Umm, troll post?

Daring is the best Destroyer in the game.

Z-52 torps are easy to land thanks to their speed and detectability, plus they reload really fast. AP is not good vs DDs if they are full broadside, it will overpen. If they angle a little it will arm and give you a full pen.

 

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27 minutes ago, War182 said:

Z52 feels like it should be great tell you fight other ships ....has 2x4 torps with crap range 10.5 And are hard to land

They're not that hard to land, not with 1.4km concealement and 69 knot speed. Plus Z-52 can spam its torpedoes like there's no tomorrow, 69 second reload is nuts.

Z-52 is fine as is.

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3 minutes ago, Herr_Reitz said:

Well before you buff it make sure you wash and rinse it first.

 

 

 

Nice she's washing Caption Troll bear out off her Daring .... F.Y.I brown nosing doesn't get the Daring or Z52 buffed ... End game is a fun DD to play ... Not a 10 DD that get wreaked by a benson .

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Warship Tier Type Nation Battles Win rate Avg. frags Avg. damage Avg. experience Avg. planes destroyed Kills / deaths
Khabarovsk 10 Destroyer U.S.S.R. 808 468 52.93 % 0.88 60 298 1 616 0.58 1.78
Harugumo 10 Destroyer Japan 297 503 51.55 % 0.9 60 172 1 649 0.67 1.46
Yueyang 10 Destroyer Pan-Asia 354 353 52.64 % 0.89 55 228 1 608 0.27 1.7
Daring 10 Destroyer U.K. 89 960 52.84 % 0.92 49 040 1 684 0.33 1.75
Grozovoi 10 Destroyer U.S.S.R. 334 689 51.36 % 0.8 46 465 1 574 1.66 1.39
Shimakaze 10 Destroyer Japan 3 110 232 49.43 % 0.78 46 133 1 416 0.16 1.37
Gearing 10 Destroyer U.S.A. 2 602 809 49.41 % 0.73 43 177 1 470 0.51 1.16
Z-52 10 Destroyer Germany 513 310 51.51 % 0.77 41 620 1 502 0.47 1.27
 
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Just now, War182 said:
Warship Tier Type Nation Battles Win rate Avg. frags Avg. damage Avg. experience Avg. planes destroyed Kills / deaths
Khabarovsk 10 Destroyer U.S.S.R. 808 468 52.93 % 0.88 60 298 1 616 0.58 1.78
Harugumo 10 Destroyer Japan 297 503 51.55 % 0.9 60 172 1 649 0.67 1.46
Yueyang 10 Destroyer Pan-Asia 354 353 52.64 % 0.89 55 228 1 608 0.27 1.7
Daring 10 Destroyer U.K. 89 960 52.84 % 0.92 49 040 1 684 0.33 1.75
Grozovoi 10 Destroyer U.S.S.R. 334 689 51.36 % 0.8 46 465 1 574 1.66 1.39
Shimakaze 10 Destroyer Japan 3 110 232 49.43 % 0.78 46 133 1 416 0.16 1.37
Gearing 10 Destroyer U.S.A. 2 602 809 49.41 % 0.73 43 177 1 470 0.51 1.16
Z-52 10 Destroyer Germany 513 310 51.51 % 0.77 41 620 1 502 0.47 1.27
 

The smoke on Daring needs buffed ... And Z52 no clue how to make it shine mabey torp range.

 

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3 minutes ago, War182 said:

The smoke on Daring needs buffed ... And Z52 no clue how to make it shine mabey torp range.

 

Both are fine. Daring more of a gun boat and not my favorite dd play style but the 52 lands torps like hartsfield lands planes. 52 is my favorite dd 

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Uh dude, from the stats you yourself just posted there's nothing that indicates they need a buff. Daring has the second-highest win rate of all the tier ten destroyers and Z-52 is firmly in the middle. If anything that chart shows that Gearing and Shimakaze might need a little help, but even then 49%+ win rate isn't too bad.

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daring does not.


Z52, maybe a small dpm buff to keep it somewhat competitive, but doesnt really need it. 

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Z-52 is my go to DD for CB. It’s an excellent DD hunter and with the smoke/hydro/fast torp reload, can put the hurt of BB’s end game. I don’t do as well in it in randoms but thinks it’s a really strong ship in CB.

Daring I still struggle with because the speed mixed with detection make it a tougher boat to play. I wouldn’t say no to a little buff to speed or detection range or even a torp reload buff for those pesky CL/CA’s that are almost as fast as you if equipped with a Sierra Mike flag. You really should try to go dark if a HIV gets in range :Smile_sad:

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The stats you yourself posted show that your argument is invalid.

 

More, if you're getting beat down by T8 DDs in a T10 DD with fast guns and torps, with hydro, that's on you, and has nothing to do with the ships.

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The z52 and Daring were disappointment for me ... Smoke is very bad on Daring and no speed means you can't dodge ... Z52 feels good tell you fight in it ,, guns feel weak , hull take massive dam quick fighting other main gun dd's . Which you will do cause 2x4 torp not good for counter DD play .

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I have great DD's that i like to play and win (Harugumo , Shim ,Yueyang, and Gearing ] the 2 Grov ,and Khab very good . But Z52 and Daring i don't like to play . Every 10 DD should be worth the grind .

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4 minutes ago, War182 said:

The z52 and Daring were disappointment for me ... Smoke is very bad on Daring and no speed means you can't dodge ... Z52 feels good tell you fight in it ,, guns feel weak , hull take massive dam quick fighting other main gun dd's . Which you will do cause 2x4 torp not good for counter DD play .

The smoke on Daring is just fine. It is bad for sitting in it and shooting, but that's not what it's meant for. It's meant to be a way to break contact and reposition. And while it is slow, it is by far the most agile DD at the tier. It has great rudder shift with the upgrade, and  loses almost no speed in a turn, so it can dodge shots at range. In addition, the 360 turrets and enhanced AP and good HE mean it shreds DDs at close range.

The Z-52 has hydro, the fastest reloading torps and the best AP of the tier 10 DDs. It is pretty much the best cap contester in the game currently.

Further more, as the stats you posted showed, the Daring is the second best of the tier 10 DDs currently, and the Z-52 is decidedly average.

They don't need buffs at the moment.

8 minutes ago, War182 said:

I have great DD's that i like to play and win (Harugumo , Shim ,Yueyang, and Gearing ] the 2 Grov ,and Khab very good . But Z52 and Daring i don't like to play . Every 10 DD should be worth the grind .

And every tier 10 DD is worth playing, but for different reasons. I like the Daring the most, and several of my friends love the Z-52.

Just because something dosn't work with your playstyle, doesn't mean its weak.

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27 minutes ago, War182 said:

The z52 and Daring were disappointment for me ... Smoke is very bad on Daring and no speed means you can't dodge ... Z52 feels good tell you fight in it ,, guns feel weak , hull take massive dam quick fighting other main gun dd's . Which you will do cause 2x4 torp not good for counter DD play .

Only issue I have with British dds is lack of speed. Never take them out without a speed flag. However once you learn how to use it the smoke is useful and the ships acceleration along with the fact that it does not bleed speed in turns makes up for the lack of speed.  My wind percentage is best in British DDS

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So i started this post because the daring and the Z52 feel weak VS other solid 10 DD . I hoped we could come up with some easy buffs to keep them competitive with other 10's . Like why no 150 mm gun option or torp range upgrade , cool option's to make a sub pare ship fun to play . And can't get past sh?t smoke on daring or how slow it is . Had 5.5 concealment in testing ? now 6.2 so they could have buffed smoke a bit .Was hoping we could find good ideas to make these DD's better . And i don't judge my DD on a win ..I'm hunting for DAM ..Z52 has by far worse dam . And Daring has least battles ??? By cause their is lot better DD's out there so why play them ???

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2 minutes ago, War182 said:

 And Daring has least battles ??? By cause their is lot better DD's out there so why play them ???

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Daring has the least battles played because she's been out for the least amount of time. You can't play a ship that hasn't been released.

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1 hour ago, Umikami said:

Nah, not really when compared to IJN torps.

You can use them now, just follow this formula:

1). Take the torpedo acceleration skill as one of your Captains skills.

2). Put on your very best captains uniform.

3). Put your hands in the front pockets of your Captain's pants, right hand in right pocket, left hand in left pocket.

4). Move your hands, inside your pockets, towards each other until your fingers touch lightly.

5). Press inwards. Somewhere in there you will discover a set of organic spine enhancers sitting inside of a smallish baglike container; find them and use them.

Please, I've killed Khabs with a Z52 in a gunfight.

Really a KHAB in a Z52  ....Calling [edited] ... I've tried that before and only hurt  him at the ambush with AP ,,After he dodged my torps and i started raining  HE to finish .....he finished me ...

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6 minutes ago, Landsraad said:

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Daring has the least battles played because she's been out for the least amount of time. You can't play a ship that hasn't been released.

Daring has been out long enough for Wows see the stats ....

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3 hours ago, vak_ said:

They're not that hard to land, not with 1.4km concealement and 69 knot speed. Plus Z-52 can spam its torpedoes like there's no tomorrow, 69 second reload is nuts.

Z-52 is fine as is.

you can knock that down to a min with AR + all other torp reloading boosters.   Fantastic.   

 

Ap is also great against all those thick DDs or broadside targets. 

 

3 minutes ago, War182 said:

Really a KHAB in a Z52  ....Calling [edited] ... I've tried that before and only hurt  him at the ambush with AP ,,After he dodged my torps and i started raining  HE to finish .....he finished me ...

it's not that hard.  Its easy to get big AP hits on them when you ambush or when they try to turn and run.    You use your concealment, smoke, and hydro to get free damage.  Save your torps until they get close, because the khaba is clumsy. 

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11 minutes ago, Frederick_The_Great said:

it's not that hard.  Its easy to get big AP hits on them when you ambush or when they try to turn and run.    You use your concealment, smoke, and hydro to get free damage.  Save your torps until they get close, because the khaba is clumsy. 

Yeah, I love it when I can sneak up on a Khab using cover in my Jutland. They may be able to outrun me, but they can't outmaneuver me in tight spaces. Load AP, keep the guns blazing, and dump fish at him if you get an angle. Works every time.

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