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How will we recognize "Balance" when we see it?

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I will recognize balance when I see DD's, BB's, CA/CL's, and CV's taking equal turns at the top, middle, and bottom of the post battle rewards ranking.  CV's should not always be at the top of the list and they should not always be at the bottom.  When all ship types are equally mixed in the rankings depending on player skill, then I will know that "Balance" has been achieved.

Anyone agree?

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When only 40% of threads on the forums are whines.

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Just now, Lert said:

When only 40% of threads on the forums are whines.

 

So in other words, 7.12 was a pretty balanced patch?

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Just now, LT_Rusty_SWO said:

So in other words, 7.12 was a pretty balanced patch?

Yep!

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Only when everyone is screaming at each other.

So it's all good now.

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When every ship has exactly 50% winrate to three significant digits. 

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11 minutes ago, SJ_Sailer said:

I will recognize balance when I see DD's, BB's, CA/CL's, and CV's taking equal turns at the top, middle, and bottom of the post battle rewards ranking.  CV's should not always be at the top of the list and they should not always be at the bottom.  When all ship types are equally mixed in the rankings depending on player skill, then I will know that "Balance" has been achieved.

Anyone agree?

Hmmm Yeah nice goal. Skilled players will skew that but yeah....

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When people start complaining about OP DDs and radar again.

Joking aside, when CVs can be in battle and not dominate or be a liability simply by their existence.

There are good players who do well no matter what you put them in. Others seem to play blindfolded with mittens on. And then there are the rest of us. When the latter group can operate CVs such that they can deal damage commensurate with their ships capability and provide collateral support through a reasonable amount of practice and learning we have balance.

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19 minutes ago, SJ_Sailer said:

I will recognize balance when I see DD's, BB's, CA/CL's, and CV's taking equal turns at the top, middle, and bottom of the post battle rewards ranking.  CV's should not always be at the top of the list and they should not always be at the bottom.  When all ship types are equally mixed in the rankings depending on player skill, then I will know that "Balance" has been achieved.

Anyone agree?

Never, because CVs are apparently staying in this game :Smile_trollface:

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18 minutes ago, Gasboy said:

Only when everyone is screaming at each other.

So it's all good now.

So the old adage "If both sides are unhappy then it was a fair deal" applies?

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Just now, SJ_Sailer said:

So the old adage "If both sides are unhappy then it was a fair deal" applies?

Seems legit.

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How about when you can still win a match when the red team has the only CV in a match?

When having a single CV game is no different than have a game when you are up or down a BB, CA or DD?

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1 minute ago, SJ_Sailer said:

So the old adage "If both sides are unhappy then it was a fair deal" applies?

I think, if both sides are truly unhappy, you have a dieing game.

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1 minute ago, Vaitmana said:

I think, if both sides are truly unhappy, you have a dieing game.

Yea, um...good point...

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8.0 with the Hak fixed, implement a stable version of the LOS gun bloom bug, and you'll be relatively close. Other than the Hak, other CV's weren't doing outrageously. Possibly limit to 1 CV per match as well.

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When WG realises that "Rock, Paper, Scissors...Shoe" is as stupid an idea in a video game as it is in a school playground.

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I just possed a question to a guy on reddit asking what is balance without his feelings or user exploits. No answer yet but I'll update when I can!

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When every one has a 50% win rate and no one is Unicum.

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1 hour ago, DrHolmes52 said:

When BB and DD players start sniping at each other again.

Just realized, there have not been a lot of BB Babies vs DD Mafia discussions lately.

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How can we recognize balance if the Devs can't. 

 

all they had to do was adjust the Fkey spam and Hak, maybe throw in the rocket plane changes and see how it goes. 

Instead they made sweeping changes that essentially negates the 1 step forward by going 5 steps back. 

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1 hour ago, pikohan said:

When every ship has exactly 50% winrate to three significant digits. 

And the Sovie...er Russian ships have the better significant digits.

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When a good CV can still kill a bad AA cruiser, but a bad CV can't damage a good Musashi.

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When the forums and chats are filled with BBs complaining about DDs, DDs complaining about CAs/CLs, and all of us have accepted that we are slowly dying of sky cancer at an acceptable rate.  

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