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Hakuryu torpedo spam. This rework needs a rework.

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I was watching a Hakuryu player wreak havoc on the enemy team last night. He was consistently scoring more than 200 000 damage each battle by mindlessly filling the sea with long range torpedoes. Completely unbalanced. Is this sort of brainless gameplay what we're to expect in T10 battles now? I was pretty shocked. Then I saw this video from iChase:

iChase's own words "this rework needs a rework"

Here's some screenshots from the stream I was watching:

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Above: 4.5 minutes into the battle. 128k damage. Seems legit...

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Above: 2 minutes earlier. Not even 3 minutes into the battle. 60k damage.

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Above: end of a match. Nearly 230k damage done for hardly any effort besides torpedo spam.

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Above: Here you can see the CV player literally chasing his own torpedoes, getting ready to drop even more with a fresh squadron.

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Above: 10 minutes into a battle. 262k damage done...

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Above: Torpedo cross drops, very much still a viable tactic. Even with a single squadron.

 

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Above: Another example of a fresh squadron chasing torps that were dropped from an earlier squadron.

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Above: It's pretty much over. 236k damage done. Didn't take very long, did it.

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Above: Another battle ends, 268k damage done.

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Where the screenshot for a potato player?

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This is the problem everyone takes what the unicum player can do then cry nerf and then wonder why games is unbalanced.:fish_palm:

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It is semi-abusive but most of us cant pull that of. Yes it needs some attention but honestly it's far from the end of the world. If he pulled this off in any other class people would be praising him.

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Have you tried WASD? That's how you dodge torpedoes in WoWS. The planes are visible if they're just flinging torpedoes at you, you can see them dropping torpedoes. 

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6 minutes ago, MajorRenegade said:

Ok that one unicum player. What about stats from a potato player?

Or even an average player.

1 minute ago, Hydrawlix said:

This is the problem everyone takes what the unicum player can do then cry nerf and then wonder why games is unbalanced.:fish_palm:

The problem with nerfing based on how well the very best perform is the nerfs hurt the lesser players far more than the unicums.

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The streamer I was watching wasn't displaying much skill. It's just flying towards the enemy, drop torps until you're dropped them all. Repeat. Did you watch iChase's video, or are you just knee-jerk denying?

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8 minutes ago, NeoRussia said:

Have you tried WASD? That's how you dodge torpedoes in WoWS. The planes are visible if they're just flinging torpedoes at you, you can see them dropping torpedoes. 

Actually, they can stealth torp, then drop another set closer, and you get hit on both...if you don't maneuver.  Like a DD dumping a rack in stealth, then dumping another closer rack while in sight.  And you still don't move.

Or only stealth torp and not be seen.  

It can be tweaked, I'm sure.  And it takes some skill

 

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8 minutes ago, Tentakkel said:

The streamer I was watching wasn't displaying much skill. It's just flying towards the enemy, drop torps until you're dropped them all. Repeat. Did you watch iChase's video, or are you just knee-jerk denying?

We're just being realistic and not allowing your celebrity worship of streamers speak for us. Define skill. Is it shooting from a ship and using either 4,8,12 or 16 lead depending on the numbers the display places right in your hand while simultaneously locking on to a target and lowering the dispersion from your shells or having to manually aim a torp, that can be avoided by simply altering course every 30 seconds, while dodging AA, monitoring stealth and all while having no such indicator?

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2 minutes ago, _Caliph_ said:

We're just being realistic and not allowing your celebrity worship of streamers speak for us. Define skill? Shooting from a ship and using either 4,8,12 or 16 lead depending on the numbers the display places right in your hand while simultaneously locking on to a target and lowering the dispersion from your shells or having to manually aim a torp, that can be avoided by simply altering course every 30 seconds, dodging AA, monitoring stealth all while having no such indicator??

It's still stealth-torping, and goes under the same rules.  If  you're predictable, you can get hit. If you're not, you're fine.

 

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Good thing there is proposed changes to flooding:Smile_medal:

 

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Seems like people underestimate just how fast a Haku can spit out torps. It's easy to say "just dodge", but when there's new spreads of torps sent at you every minute or less, you'll get hit or show your broadside too often. Probably both. Also keep in mind that ships are clustering together for AA, which makes them easier to hit when you spam torps.

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Yeah only battleships are allowed to do 230k damage effortlessly.

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Averaging in the 200-300k range is not normal.  Even for the best players on the server.  Overpowered/meta ships, such as the Graf Zeppelin (pre-rework) and Henri IV only get to 130-170k.  Most other T10s, good players average in the lower 100s.

Meanwhile, @Gaishu_Isshoku broke the all-time highest damage Random Battle record for the NA server.  That's any ship.  A mere week after this was released.  He did 550k damage.  That's not possible with most other ships.

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I wonder if people actually watched the video by iChase, because he's just flooding an area with torpedoes at a staggering rate. Even by his own admission, there wasn't any real skill involved, he even stated he almost never needed to recall a flight - and the effect was obvious. I haven't seen that tactic personally yet, but if that catches on, oof. 

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43 minutes ago, MajorRenegade said:

Ok that one unicum player. What about stats from a potato player?

Did you not watch the video? It doesn't take a unicum player to pull that off. Any "potato player" as you put it could do this. iChase's whole point throughout the video is that you can just do this mindless strategy all game with no skill, over and over.

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40 minutes ago, Hydrawlix said:

This is the problem everyone takes what the unicum player can do then cry nerf and then wonder why games is unbalanced.:fish_palm:

Again, this doesn't take a unicum player. It's a complete noobfriendly cheese tactic. Actually watch the video.

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Just now, USS_Taylor_Swift said:

Did you not watch the video? It doesn't take a unicum player to pull that off. Any "potato player" as you put it could do this. iChase's whole point throughout the video is that you can just do this mindless strategy all game with no skill, over and over.

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That still does not mean Hakuryu is OP

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37 minutes ago, NeoRussia said:

Have you tried WASD? That's how you dodge torpedoes in WoWS. The planes are visible if they're just flinging torpedoes at you, you can see them dropping torpedoes. 

Did you miss the part where his second group of planes are already back to torp the group of BBs while torps from the first attack were still being dodged? He was able to corral a group of ships for the entirety of the match so they weren't able to do anything but retreat and "WASD" while not being able to actually engage and fight.

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31 minutes ago, mavfin87 said:

It's still stealth-torping, and goes under the same rules.  If  you're predictable, you can get hit. If you're not, you're fine.

 

still can force you out of position and force you to give broadside.

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21 minutes ago, KiyoSenkan said:

Yeah only battleships are allowed to do 230k damage effortlessly.

Interesting considering you've never pulled off 200k in any ship, and average 76k damage in your Yammy. If it's so effortless, why aren't you doing it?

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Just now, Hanger_18 said:

still can force you out of position and force you to give broadside.

And DDs can do it, too...

Does it need tweaked?  I don't know.  Depends on how much this is occurring.  WG has the data.  It's up to them to make that decision with all the data, not just one or two videos.

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7 minutes ago, Mr_Alex said:

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That still does not mean Hakuryu is OP

No? What does it mean then? Once again, here's a bottom of the barrel player defending this horrible update that caters to bad players and drops the skill ceiling of the game.

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CVs did alter the way naval battles were fought...

Well...at least the game is historically accurate now.

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