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I run ops mostly. It has improved my game overall & fattened my credits & XP totals.

My Ideal team would have A Scharnhorst & Gneisenau plus any other T7 BB. The German BB's have quicker reload times & their torpedoes are useful in the harbor melee. All BB's should stay close to the convey.

The Yorck is the better heavy cruiser IMO and gets the nod here.

The Fiji maybe the best light cruiser in the game and 2, one to take care of the transports to the south & the other to sink the King & the DD & CL escorting it. Its smoke & repair are the reasons why.

The last ship is the Atlanta. Raining fire on the enemy is always a plus.

It is my opinion these are the better ships. Opinions are always subjective.

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Agree....almost

I would not use Gneisenau - not enough barrels and too slow of a reload.  Scharny is about perfect.

100% agree Yorck for CA (my absolute fav ship for this Operation).  Algerie is my second.  Like to nose into the middle island waiting on the Missouri.  The torps make pretty short work of her.

Fiji is a good choice

Flint over Atlanta but both can be successful - Smoke and Longer range torps help.

DD's are a hinderance in my opinion, about the only positive I can say is that if you have a decent DD driver, he can be invaluable taking out the shore battery and cargo ships in the south or CV/Omaha - but Flint and Atlanta can do the same.

 

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Narai is a fun op.

1. Scharnhorst - by far the best ship for the OP  spec'd for secondary's.

2. Any of the ships similar to the Scharny..

3. Fast firing cuirsers of any kind - Helena, Boise, Fiji, schors, boise clone,  Atlanta - this takes a pretty good driver to be successful. 

4. BB's got to have one maybe 2.. Faster the reload the better.

5. other cruisers preferably ones with torps.

6. DD's. not as affective in this op as others, but in good hands can still contribute.

7 CV's.. have not been in a single run in this op where the CV "made a difference". 

Honestly, take the ship you have fun in and do you best, can't ask for more then that.

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3 minutes ago, T1mb3rWo1f said:

Helena is pretty good in this op.

She has her limits - but there is almost nothing better for going after the CV and Omaha.  After that the 15x 6" guns can reign destruction from behind the island.

Other than that, she is a little squishy and needs torps to be successful in other aspects of this Op.

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ships like nagato/nelson/colorado (big seven) are actually fairly good, just need to know when you're running into danger/islands and nagato has a great secondary suite. The Bigger guns on those ships are great for punishing cruisers and BBs, even slapped 45~k off the Missouri after flanking it.

even fun to snipe the king as it tries to get away since its a lexington and has armor, once ships got within 6 km of me my secondaries started going off like a machine gun

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4 minutes ago, jmanII said:

She has her limits - but there is almost nothing better for going after the CV and Omaha.  After that the 15x 6" guns can reign destruction from behind the island.

Other than that, she is a little squishy and needs torps to be successful in other aspects of this Op.

I don't know about the Helena specifically.  But I've had excellent games in the Boise in this operation.  The 6" guns hit considerably harder and more reliably than the Atlanta's 5" guns.

Also, for what it's worth, if you go after the carrier in the NE, after you've killed it, you can sit behind that long horizontal island and lob massive 15 shell volleys at the enemy with impunity.

 

 

11 minutes ago, S16_Hunter said:

Narai is a fun op.

1. Scharnhorst - by far the best ship for the OP  spec'd for secondary's.

2. Any of the ships similar to the Scharny..

3. Fast firing cuirsers of any kind - Helena, Boise, Fiji, schors, boise clone,  Atlanta - this takes a pretty good driver to be successful. 

4. BB's got to have one maybe 2.. Faster the reload the better.

5. other cruisers preferably ones with torps.

6. DD's. not as affective effective in this op as others, but in good hands can still contribute.

7 CV's.. have not been in a single run in this op where the CV "made a difference". 

Honestly, take the ship you have fun in and do you best, can't ask for more then than that.

1. The Scharnhorst probably is the best BB for this op, at least if it's fully spec'd for secondaries.

2. Some have poo-pooed the Gneisenau, but if you have it fully spec'd for secondaries, it's also solid in this operation, because those sec's and the torps can make up for the lack of barrels, as long as you're willing to brawl to make the most of those short range assets.

3.  CLs do well in this operation.  The Atlanta used to be outstanding in this op back when that enemy CV was actually launching strikes against you.  But now that there's no air threat, the best reason for bringing an ATL is gone.  Better to bring a 6" gunned cruiser for the harder hitting guns.

4. BBs.  The faster the better with this op.  Slow BBs can work, but they need to take a direct course into the inner harbor to get their ship in there ASAP.

6. DDs.  This op doesn't favor DDs.  Oh, I'm sure that someone will say that they can be effective, but DDs just don't seem durable enough once you reach the inner harbor.

7. CVs. Carriers used to be very useful for this operation, back when the enemy's CV launched strikes.  But now?  Well, now, I'm not sure that you could even bring a CV into this op since it's a tier 7 operation and there are no tier 7 CVs any longer.

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Scharn is a good ship for Narai, but i'm surprised at the lack of Lyon mentions.

Fiji is the best cruiser hands down. if i'm not grinding another ship, i'm not taking any cruiser other than Fiji into this.

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Only ship I ever managed to get a 5* with; Nelson.

Otherwise NONE OF THEM.

Won't waste my time with that Op. Only slightly less annoying than Ultimate (redacted rude slang.)

2 minutes ago, Crucis said:

7. CVs. Carriers used to be very useful for this operation, back when the enemy's CV launched strikes.  But now?  Well, now, I'm not sure that you could even bring a CV into this op since it's a tier 7 operation and there are no tier 7 CVs any longer.

Don't even bother bringing a carrier into ANY operation any more. Besides the issue in this Op of the plus 1 AA, (even if you could actually bring a T6 Carrier,) unless you are a savant of the rework controls like an old Unicum under RTS, a carrier will be worthless.

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Atlanta used to be my go to ship for this Op.  But no enemy planes takes away some of its appeal.

My current go to ship is the Scharnhorst.  Fast, hard hitting guns, quicker reloading guns, torps.

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36 minutes ago, jmanII said:

She has her limits - but there is almost nothing better for going after the CV and Omaha.  After that the 15x 6" guns can reign destruction from behind the island.

Other than that, she is a little squishy and needs torps to be successful in other aspects of this Op.

Not really, there is a certain way to play her in there and is almost scripted, don't change from it and it works great.

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1 minute ago, T1mb3rWo1f said:

Not really, there is a certain way to play her in there and is almost scripted, don't change from it and it works great.

To each, his own

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2. Some have poo-pooed the Gneisenau, but if you have it fully spec'd for secondaries, it's also solid in this operation, because those sec's and the torps can make up for the lack of barrels, as long as you're willing to brawl to make the most of those short range assets.

Yes, its secondaries are great.

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Agree on the Scharnhorst and Fiji ... two of the best for this op.  That said, I do enjoy playing my Helena, great gunpower and distance, downside is the squishyness and no torps.  I have tried the Lyon.  It too packs and good, long distance punch ... if the shotgun hits, and if spec'd right has a ton of staying power.  So, pretty much agree with others on this one.  My Algerie is still fairly new to me so haven't tried her yet.

edit: don't have Atlanta so no comment 

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39 minutes ago, MidnightShamalan said:

Scharn is a good ship for Narai, but i'm surprised at the lack of Lyon mentions.

Fiji is the best cruiser hands down. if i'm not grinding another ship, i'm not taking any cruiser other than Fiji into this.

I thought I would see the Lyon mention too.

In this operation I will agree the Fiji is the best cruiser.

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46 minutes ago, Estimated_Prophet said:

Only ship I ever managed to get a 5* with; Nelson.

Otherwise NONE OF THEM.

Won't waste my time with that Op. Only slightly less annoying than Ultimate (redacted rude slang.

Last night I had three 5 star wins & 1 loss with random teams. I used a different ship in all 4 battles.

I find Narai easier the Ultimate Frontier.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned DDs in this OP from the number of them I encounter when playing. I would never bring a DD into this one (or most of the others either), simply because I can't pull my weight in a DD.

I agree about the best ships, starting with Fiji and Sharn.  I do like taking my Atlanta in, but, there are other ships I just cringe when I see them show up.  I worry more when I see 2 Colorado's on my team or 2 Myoko's, more for they type of players that go with them than what the ships are capable of.

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17 minutes ago, HayabusaZ said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned DDs in this OP from the number of them I encounter when playing. I would never bring a DD into this one (or most of the others either), simply because I can't pull my weight in a DD.

#1 job for DD - ambush the missouri as it comes around the island

#2 job - take out/cripple the iron duke so one of the cruisers can head south to take care of the fort, the nicolas and the transports.

end with damage farming inside harbour

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44 minutes ago, HayabusaZ said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned DDs in this OP from the number of them I encounter when playing. I would never bring a DD into this one (or most of the others either), simply because I can't pull my weight in a DD.

I agree about the best ships, starting with Fiji and Sharn.  I do like taking my Atlanta in, but, there are other ships I just cringe when I see them show up.  I worry more when I see 2 Colorado's on my team or 2 Myoko's, more for they type of players that go with them than what the ships are capable of.

I've had good results with the Colorado but never great games in this op. That being said it does take out the forts rather easily and does chunks of damage to enemy BB's. Its slow rate of fire is its downfall for this op. I do cringe when I see a Colorado take off after the carrier or transports. The AI DD's are usually (99% of the time) way too quick for them.

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2 hours ago, Crucis said:

6. DDs.  This op doesn't favor DDs.  Oh, I'm sure that someone will say that they can be effective, but DDs just don't seem durable enough once you reach the inner harbor.

In most ops, DDs are only viable if driven by an really, really good driver. That said, a gunboat DD is probably a superior choice to a ninja torp boat.

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1 hour ago, HayabusaZ said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned DDs in this OP from the number of them I encounter when playing. I would never bring a DD into this one (or most of the others either), simply because I can't pull my weight in a DD.

I agree about the best ships, starting with Fiji and Sharn.  I do like taking my Atlanta in, but, there are other ships I just cringe when I see them show up.  I worry more when I see 2 Colorado's on my team or 2 Myoko's, more for they type of players that go with them than what the ships are capable of.

I've posted before and my thought was that DDs can be useful in any of the OPs.   But the likelihood you'll encounter a DD who can pull their weight and more in Random OP queue,  is frickin rare. 

 

Was a shocking change yesterday,  random queued yesterday with 4 cls & 3 dds.  Everyone knew how to play their chosen ship and the scenario,  and we 5 starred it.

 

Bet you can imagine what the chat was like the first couple of minutes.   lol.

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2 hours ago, jmanII said:

DD's are a hinderance in my opinion, about the only positive I can say is that if you have a decent DD driver, he can be invaluable taking out the shore battery and cargo ships in the south or CV/Omaha - but Flint and Atlanta can do the same.

 

2 hours ago, S16_Hunter said:

6. DD's. not as affective in this op as others, but in good hands can still contribute.

 

2 hours ago, Crucis said:

6. DDs.  This op doesn't favor DDs.  Oh, I'm sure that someone will say that they can be effective, but DDs just don't seem durable enough once you reach the inner harbor.


Everyone likes to hate on destroyers for operations it seems no matter what operation of the week it is. Destroyers are easily effective in any operation in which you can run them. In fact, I find it much easier to carry a game of Narai in my Leningrad than a cruiser or battleship.

 

1 hour ago, HayabusaZ said:

I'm surprised no one has mentioned DDs in this OP from the number of them I encounter when playing. I would never bring a DD into this one (or most of the others either), simply because I can't pull my weight in a DD.

I agree about the best ships, starting with Fiji and Sharn.  I do like taking my Atlanta in, but, there are other ships I just cringe when I see them show up.  I worry more when I see 2 Colorado's on my team or 2 Myoko's, more for they type of players that go with them than what the ships are capable of.


As with any ship type, the key to playing your ship in anything is to know your ship, what its limitations are, and what you can do with it.
 

1 hour ago, evanr1940 said:

#1 job for DD - ambush the missouri as it comes around the island

#2 job - take out/cripple the iron duke so one of the cruisers can head south to take care of the fort, the nicolas and the transports.

end with damage farming inside harbour


Oh, you can do so much more than that Evan, lol
 

21 minutes ago, Sabot_100 said:

In most ops, DDs are only viable if driven by an really, really good driver. That said, a gunboat DD is probably a superior choice to a ninja torp boat.

Or you can simply learn from those are good, experienced destroyer players. There are a number of people on the Hoperations discord who have run destroyers successfully in all the operations. You just need to know your ship and if you need to, learn from someone what to do.

 

Just some video examples, and my best games with a destroyer in Narai have yet to be recorded.

 

 

 

An example of a couple tactics video that still applies in the current version

 

 

And some fun ones that are outdated but were fun to do.

 

 

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" Was a shocking change yesterday,  random queued yesterday with 4 cls & 3 dds.  Everyone knew how to play their chosen ship and the scenario,  and we 5 starred it. "

That would be a fun replay to watch, should be up on youtube!  Especially if it can be shown from different points of view.  A good commentator could point out where to be and what to do as the match progresses. 

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2 minutes ago, HayabusaZ said:

That would be a fun replay to watch, should be up on youtube!  Especially if it can be shown from different points of view.  A good commentator could point out where to be and what to do as the match progresses. 

If you're looking for a scenario analysis replay for Narai, and one for what a destroyer can do, I'm actually in the process of recording videos including such a one before updating the game on my desktop computer.

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