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There appears to be quite a few disgruntled players post patch 0.8.0 (as expected). DD 'mains' come to mind.

Much of these seems to stem from how the new carriers/AA etc has effected each particular ship class. Overall the changes seem positive. It strikes me though that due to many players focusing all their efforts in to one particular gameplay element makes them unreasonably upset they are forced to change a little and learn to alter their gameplay accordingly with other new introduced elements. This happens very frequently in other online games. I understand players want to be competitive (and fair enough) though it gets taken to a ludicrous level and instead of wanting to learn and adapt they moan about it. Not really productive.

I have ship classes I am better in than others. I'm certainly no great player at those either. What I do try to do is spread experience between a number of ship types/nations in order to understand their playstyle so if met I can counter accordingly. Also by not focusing all that effort into one thing I rarely find disappointment when nerfs/buffs hit because there is always good with the bad. It also allows you to empathise with other players and their playstyles. I also try to know my limitations i.e I haven't gone above tier VII BBs as I'd simply be a detriment to a team if I did so. I still play them along with all the other ship classes and have some fundamental knowledge of them if I venture into the higher tiers in those I'm more comfortable with.

I love the changes made in this latest rework as it is interesting and challenging. If there are changes you don't like, that's of course fine but don't be counterproductive and cry about it. Doesn't help. Experiment and adjust. Can be very enjoyable. I've been playing a few DD games and yes, overly aggressive play can get you killed quicker than before with frequent carriers now. I actually changed out Loyang hydro for DFAA (sacrilege I know) and was able to make caps quite reasonably. I thought the Daring was going to have crap AA but it was surprisingly good even against Hak planes. Some of the BBs too can manage. AA cruisers now have a purpose. If anyone gives you a hard time for poor play at this particular junction of the game they're just being self entitled and ignorant.

Oh and if you want to quit the game because of changes you don't approve of.....just do it. Don't come and spray the forums with threatening rants. Everyone who is still enjoying themselves likely doesn't care. 

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So tl;dr this is a crying post about crying.  

Sorry, but people have the RIGHT to play whatever they so want.  This is a GAME and people are allowed to enjoy it however they please, and trying to say "oh how dare people only stick to what they enjoy" is a load of bull.  Stop trying to tell people how to play the game, and if they have negative feedback well guess what?  TOO BAD.  

WG brought this upon themselves, its as simple as that.  And the experience has suffered for everyone, but DDs definitely got shafted hardest.  Its to be expected.

Now seriously, stop complaining about people's RIGHT to give feedback and play the game the way they want to.  Get off your high horse.

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3 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

I love the changes made in this latest rework as it is interesting and challenging.

 

4 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

Don't come and spray the forums with threatening rants.

This post is threatening to players that hate the patch.

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I've found this patch fun. I haven't found the carriers particularly broken, the spotting is annoying and i'm adjusting. But i'm starting to notice ships move in groups and game feels alot more tactical.

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5 minutes ago, CaliburxZero said:

So tl;dr this is a crying post about crying.  

Sorry, but people have the RIGHT to play whatever they so want.  This is a GAME and people are allowed to enjoy it however they please, and trying to say "oh how dare people only stick to what they enjoy" is a load of bull.  Stop trying to tell people how to play the game, and if they have negative feedback well guess what?  TOO BAD.  

WG brought this upon themselves, its as simple as that.  And the experience has suffered for everyone, but DDs definitely got shafted hardest.  Its to be expected.

Now seriously, stop complaining about people's RIGHT to give feedback and play the game the way they want to.  Get off your high horse.

Not telling. Just advising. I certainly don't think everyone has suffered. OOOhh wait.....DD 'main' here?

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Or just main BBs, they'll never nerf those, RIGHT?

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39 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

There appears to be quite a few disgruntled players post patch 0.8.0 (as expected). DD 'mains' come to mind.

Much of these seems to stem from how the new carriers/AA etc has effected each particular ship class. Overall the changes seem positive. It strikes me though that due to many players focusing all their efforts in to one particular gameplay element makes them unreasonably upset they are forced to change a little and learn to alter their gameplay accordingly with other new introduced elements. This happens very frequently in other online games. I understand players want to be competitive (and fair enough) though it gets taken to a ludicrous level and instead of wanting to learn and adapt they moan about it. Not really productive.

I have ship classes I am better in than others. I'm certainly no great player at those either. What I do try to do is spread experience between a number of ship types/nations in order to understand their playstyle so if met I can counter accordingly. Also by not focusing all that effort into one thing I rarely find disappointment when nerfs/buffs hit because there is always good with the bad. It also allows you to empathise with other players and their playstyles. I also try to know my limitations i.e I haven't gone above tier VII BBs as I'd simply be a detriment to a team if I did so. I still play them along with all the other ship classes and have some fundamental knowledge of them if I venture into the higher tiers in those I'm more comfortable with.

I love the changes made in this latest rework as it is interesting and challenging. If there are changes you don't like, that's of course fine but don't be counterproductive and cry about it. Doesn't help. Experiment and adjust. Can be very enjoyable. I've been playing a few DD games and yes, overly aggressive play can get you killed quicker than before with frequent carriers now. I actually changed out Loyang hydro for DFAA (sacrilege I know) and was able to make caps quite reasonably. I thought the Daring was going to have crap AA but it was surprisingly good even against Hak planes. Some of the BBs too can manage. AA cruisers now have a purpose. If anyone gives you a hard time for poor play at this particular junction of the game they're just being self entitled and ignorant.

Oh and if you want to quit the game because of changes you don't approve of.....just do it. Don't come and spray the forums with threatening rants. Everyone who is still enjoying themselves likely doesn't care. 

I read your post, and yes you have every right to give your opinion, now here is mine.

You are no good in any class you play and lack any form of experience from playing all of them, people after many games find a niche they enjoy being dd, ca cv bb and they will play that class of ship predominately over the others, when you have something experience wise to share, please feel free to voice it again like you have here, as I am doing now.

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Get off your high horse. At ~2000 battles, you have not had the experience to be "good" at any particular class, let alone all of them. Please stop with the preaching.

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4 minutes ago, CriMiNaL__ said:

I read your post, and yes you have every right to give your opinion, now here is mine.

You are no good in any class you play and lack any form of experience from playing all of them, people after many games find a niche they enjoy being dd, ca cv bb and they will play that class of ship predominately over the others, when you have something experience wise to share, please feel free to voice it again like you have here, as I am doing now.

Are you quoting me in saying I have no experience and capability in any ship class or are you making that assumption based on games played/stats etc? I didn't say Í am completely useless or have no experience. I said the experience I do have is spread across a number of ship types and as a result I haven't felt that 'pinch' many have seemed to post rework. 

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14 minutes ago, pikohan said:

Or just main BBs, they'll never nerf those, RIGHT?

Considering the second CVs became able to drop multiple torp salvos from a single squad WG announced a flooding rework... it's hard to think of a time they actually will.

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2 minutes ago, mushmouthmorton said:

Get off your high horse. At ~2000 battles, you have not had the experience to be "good" at any particular class, let alone all of them. Please stop with the preaching.

What makes you think this is my only account? Be careful making such assumptions.

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2 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

Are you quoting me in saying I have no experience and capability in any ship class or are you making that assumption based on games played/stats etc? I didn't say Í am completely useless or have no experience. I said the experience I do have is spread across a number of ship types and as a result I haven't felt that 'pinch' many have seemed to post rework. 

Your experience in minimal, but you excel at drivel, hey that rhymes there for I am now an expert rapper, watch out slim shady, question, who was the first recognised rapper in the music industry?

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33 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

There appears to be quite a few disgruntled players post patch 0.8.0 (as expected). DD 'mains' come to mind.

Much of these seems to stem from how the new carriers/AA etc has effected each particular ship class. Overall the changes seem positive. It strikes me though that due to many players focusing all their efforts in to one particular gameplay element makes them unreasonably upset they are forced to change a little and learn to alter their gameplay accordingly with other new introduced elements. This happens very frequently in other online games. I understand players want to be competitive (and fair enough) though it gets taken to a ludicrous level and instead of wanting to learn and adapt they moan about it. Not really productive.

I have ship classes I am better in than others. I'm certainly no great player at those either. What I do try to do is spread experience between a number of ship types/nations in order to understand their playstyle so if met I can counter accordingly. Also by not focusing all that effort into one thing I rarely find disappointment when nerfs/buffs hit because there is always good with the bad. It also allows you to empathise with other players and their playstyles. I also try to know my limitations i.e I haven't gone above tier VII BBs as I'd simply be a detriment to a team if I did so. I still play them along with all the other ship classes and have some fundamental knowledge of them if I venture into the higher tiers in those I'm more comfortable with.

I love the changes made in this latest rework as it is interesting and challenging. If there are changes you don't like, that's of course fine but don't be counterproductive and cry about it. Doesn't help. Experiment and adjust. Can be very enjoyable. I've been playing a few DD games and yes, overly aggressive play can get you killed quicker than before with frequent carriers now. I actually changed out Loyang hydro for DFAA (sacrilege I know) and was able to make caps quite reasonably. I thought the Daring was going to have crap AA but it was surprisingly good even against Hak planes. Some of the BBs too can manage. AA cruisers now have a purpose. If anyone gives you a hard time for poor play at this particular junction of the game they're just being self entitled and ignorant.

Oh and if you want to quit the game because of changes you don't approve of.....just do it. Don't come and spray the forums with threatening rants. Everyone who is still enjoying themselves likely doesn't care. 

Good post :Smile_honoring: I disagree, but well put together nonetheless.

For me I am a DD main, but play CAs and BBs (and now CVs). As you have indicated those that play DDs seem to be in a position where the change may affect them most. So far what I have witnessed is that CA AA is good (quite right too!), BB AA is probably a little better than I think it should be (but that's my opinion) and CV is not as impactual (wipe out style; again my opinion) as I think it could be.

My last point made, regarding CV impact, may well see CVs get better as people learn more. It will also probably be for damage reasons (because the CV can take its power anywhere around the map quickly) that their wipeout power has been dumbed down for game balance - so I accept this.

 

The area I disagree with you is that I think a person should be able to play a ship type and not be duly affected more than another ship type. That is called balance. It sounds as if you are saying 'don't play one ship type because if it gets dumped on (strong words I know, but I am talking about any ship type here), you can find solace in another'. This is true and probably works to handle the frustration lol BUT that does not make the fact one type is being dumped on and balance is off ok.

HOWEVER, I am not actually saying any ship type has been dumped on. There has been a big change and it will take time to see how that change really affects the WoWs community. On the face of it BBs are happy. CAs are happy, CVs seem reasonably ok, DDs not so much. On the face of it, seemingly pleasing 70+% of your player base isn't a bad result for WG, on the face of it. :Smile_honoring:

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Just now, CriMiNaL__ said:

Your experience in minimal, but you excel at drivel, hey that rhymes there for I am now an expert rapper, watch out slim shady, question, who was the first recognised rapper in the music industry?

It's also experience from playing other titles than have class/type orientation. Not just WoWs.

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19 minutes ago, CriMiNaL__ said:

I read your post, and yes you have every right to give your opinion, now here is mine.

You are no good in any class you play and lack any form of experience from playing all of them, people after many games find a niche they enjoy being dd, ca cv bb and they will play that class of ship predominately over the others, when you have something experience wise to share, please feel free to voice it again like you have here, as I am doing now.

Now heres mine:

Stick it where the sun don't shine...

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So you make a post exhorting others to stop complaining. Really? It's called freedom of speech. Then you go on to say we should all play multiple classes. What if there are people who only like to play DD's, as an example. It's laughable you're now telling them to play other classes. DD play is almost entirely borked, perma spotted by CV's with unlimited planes and 4 CV's per match.

Yes, changes may come, but too late to retain some players.

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1 hour ago, Sumseaman said:

There appears to be quite a few disgruntled players post patch 0.8.0 (as expected). DD 'mains' come to mind.

Much of these seems to stem from how the new carriers/AA etc has effected each particular ship class. Overall the changes seem positive. It strikes me though that due to many players focusing all their efforts in to one particular gameplay element makes them unreasonably upset they are forced to change a little and learn to alter their gameplay accordingly with other new introduced elements. This happens very frequently in other online games. I understand players want to be competitive (and fair enough) though it gets taken to a ludicrous level and instead of wanting to learn and adapt they moan about it. Not really productive.

I have ship classes I am better in than others. I'm certainly no great player at those either. What I do try to do is spread experience between a number of ship types/nations in order to understand their playstyle so if met I can counter accordingly. Also by not focusing all that effort into one thing I rarely find disappointment when nerfs/buffs hit because there is always good with the bad. It also allows you to empathise with other players and their playstyles. I also try to know my limitations i.e I haven't gone above tier VII BBs as I'd simply be a detriment to a team if I did so. I still play them along with all the other ship classes and have some fundamental knowledge of them if I venture into the higher tiers in those I'm more comfortable with.

I love the changes made in this latest rework as it is interesting and challenging. If there are changes you don't like, that's of course fine but don't be counterproductive and cry about it. Doesn't help. Experiment and adjust. Can be very enjoyable. I've been playing a few DD games and yes, overly aggressive play can get you killed quicker than before with frequent carriers now. I actually changed out Loyang hydro for DFAA (sacrilege I know) and was able to make caps quite reasonably. I thought the Daring was going to have crap AA but it was surprisingly good even against Hak planes. Some of the BBs too can manage. AA cruisers now have a purpose. If anyone gives you a hard time for poor play at this particular junction of the game they're just being self entitled and ignorant.

Oh and if you want to quit the game because of changes you don't approve of.....just do it. Don't come and spray the forums with threatening rants. Everyone who is still enjoying themselves likely doesn't care. 

I agree, 

Specialists with one line to T10 are going to suffer the most

Generalists with lower tiers will adapt better

New players or a reroll will be fine :)

 

Can't I at least get to say "I toldya so"?

 

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2 minutes ago, Sumseaman said:

It's also experience from playing other titles than have class/type orientation. Not just WoWs.

I was number 1 in the world in BSGO on the gemenon server for years, I was even quoted as one of the the most viscous players by the enemy blue side, (in terms of killing them not being nasty in chat) and enemy colonial clan member were told to just sit there and die if I caught them because it was a waste of resources to even shoot back, it took over 15 months of myself living on an island with dial up speed internet for anyone to get close to my pvp kills, in fact, in that game I was totally awesome.

So after blowing my own horn, how would any of that (title) have to do how I play wows.  They are 2 different games.

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8 minutes ago, Total_Failure said:

Now heres mine:

Stick it where the sun don't shine...

If you roll that way, no one on forums is here to judge you.

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2 minutes ago, CriMiNaL__ said:

I was number 1 in the world in BSGO on the gemenon server for years, I was even quoted as one of the the most viscous players by the enemy blue side, (in terms of killing them not being nasty in chat) and enemy colonial clan member were told to just sit there and die if I caught them because it was a waste of resources to even shoot back, it took over 15 months of myself living on an island with dial up speed internet for anyone to get close to my pvp kills, in fact, in that game I was totally awesome.

So after blowing my own horn, how would any of that (title) have to do how I play wows.  They are 2 different games.

Haven't played it sorry. Did it have similar balance updates and a role/class system? Kinda like WoWs? Nerfs and buffs....power creep....gameplay mechanic alteration...that sorta thing?

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3 hours ago, CaliburxZero said:

So tl;dr this is a crying post about crying.  

Sorry, but people have the RIGHT to play whatever they so want.  This is a GAME and people are allowed to enjoy it however they please, and trying to say "oh how dare people only stick to what they enjoy" is a load of bull.  Stop trying to tell people how to play the game, and if they have negative feedback well guess what?  TOO BAD.  

WG brought this upon themselves, its as simple as that.  And the experience has suffered for everyone, but DDs definitely got shafted hardest.  Its to be expected.

Now seriously, stop complaining about people's RIGHT to give feedback and play the game the way they want to.  Get off your high horse.

The OP has the same rights you do that you seem to think he should not have...  Hmmmmmmmmm...

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